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I don't believe in the general conspiracies outlined at the top of this thread. However, I am concerned about a tendency for many healthcare workers to not fully question and explore the pathophysiology of disease. The generally accepted beliefs in science are often very quickly accepted; and not challenged. In the case of HIV/AIDS: I believe it's possible that HIV plus an unknown X factor results in AIDS. We haven't fully identified that X factor (or perhaps multiple factors). I wish that we more fully investigated medical conditions. In the US - and I suspect most other capitalist-learning societies - pharmaceutical companies don't have a financial incentive to cure all life-threatening diseases. It's easier to provide drugs to millions of patients every year and continuing earning profits than to invest billions of dollars in potential cures. That's not to say that pharmaceutical employees and other healthcare workers are evil people. It's that the problem is systemic and most people do the best they can within the limited confines of choices afforded to them. In short: our own benign willful ignorance undermines our collective efforts at times.

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orlandolong; no dispute. So much of HIV/AIDS work has been reactive. At the outset, so little was known about the immune system; and while we know more; we might very well have just scratched the surface. No attempt to demonize big pharma here; but they do earn their abuse. We're all left doing the best we can with what we can learn.

Our long term HIV survivors managed to live through overdose of ARV's; and while outcomes are hugely better right now; it would not surprise me to learn we're OD on Truvada for PrEP - perhaps not in as severe a way as AZT; but all of this is still evolving. It is because of this; and other maladies that aren't well understood, that I am confounded by the thinking of chasers. Sure, preggers is a hot concept. And being part of someone else is definitely appealing. But, we already are part of each other. And frankly, as terrific as HIV/AIDS treatment (and other STI treatment) is compared to a dozen years ago; I bet it will be better a dozen years from now. And I would not be surprised to be reading about Stribild survivors once something with a better side effect profile comes along.

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My first obstacle when hearing any conspiracy theory is that I can't believe any government - let alone mine (Australia) or even less likely the USA - is competent enough to organise and implement any of these intricate and specific schemes. I mean the US can barely afford itself and Aus can't decide who the leader is in the first place. Ridiculous.

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It's easier to provide drugs to millions of patients every year and continuing earning profits than to invest billions of dollars in potential cures. That's not to say that pharmaceutical employees and other healthcare workers are evil people. It's that the problem is systemic and most people do the best they can within the limited confines of choices afforded to them. In short: our own benign willful ignorance undermines our collective efforts at times.

I agree and disagree, and heres why. There is often boatloads of cash in cures too, look at gaurdisil as a vaccine, or solvaldi, which is Gileads new blockbuster Hep C drug. Its 90% effective at curing Hep C, but guess what? The price of Solvaldi is quoted in various media sources as $84,000 to $168,000 for a course of treatment in the U.S.

HIV is another GREAT example. If someone could CURE HIV today, great. Make it cost 100k, and get those people off their meds, but it wont stop the people that dont know they are infected from infecting other people, and so they still have a revolving business model.

Put it bluntly there is big money in drugs, but its not these kind of drugs that make the most money, its stuff like viagra... That made billions.

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Put it bluntly there is big money in drugs, but its not these kind of drugs that make the most money, its stuff like viagra... That made billions.

Yes and no. The pharma industry hasn't been doing enough R&D lately. They don't innovate because they're afraid of failure (it can be incredibly expensive to fail). So they sit around and wait for some startup to show signs of success, then they buy the startup (growth through acquisition). But if they're outbid or too late discovering the startups they're sorta screwed.

For example Pfizer is moving their headquarters out of Manhattan - which is a big deal - it's been here for decades. But a number of their most profitable drugs have gone off patent and they don't really have anything as good as those drugs in the pipeline - so they're tightening their belt financially. For that to happen to one of the pharma giants like Pfizer is a big deal.

Even when it comes to ARVs - some of them are getting close to going off patent - and they're decent drugs that have proven safety records. Doctors will have the choice of a cheap drug with a solid track record, or an expensive one that might be a bigger risk to the patient and to her/him (in terms of malpractice if things go wrong with the drug). Sure there are patients who have exhausted all the treatment options and will need the newest and latest drug - but people like that are rare (I only know of one guy like that - a friend of a friend).

Does anyone know if Gilead got their patent extended for Truvada because of PrEP?

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Yes and no. The pharma industry hasn't been doing enough R&D lately. They don't innovate because they're afraid of failure (it can be incredibly expensive to fail). So they sit around and wait for some startup to show signs of success, then they buy the startup (growth through acquisition). But if they're outbid or too late discovering the startups they're sorta screwed.

Does anyone know if Gilead got their patent extended for Truvada because of PrEP?

This is also very true, Gilead is doing so well partially because of all its acquisitions.

IM getting conflicting reports but I am seeing 2021 patent expiration for truvada, which means it would have been extended from the original 2017 date.

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On 5/19/2014 at 6:47 AM, dickluva said:

I also don't believe you have read anything by any author who criticizes current HIV/AIDS system or listened to any lectures, like Dr Peter Duesberg, or Dr Nelson Vergel. I have read the criticisms of Dr Duesberg, they never debate him on medical evidence they just call him names like "AIDS denier." Dr Nelson Vergel's "Built to Survive" changed my life, & I believe I am still here today because I follow Dr. Vergel's protocols. I think I would be dead if I stayed on HIV meds.

It's worth noting that Nelson Vergel has a BS in Chemical Engineering & an MBA.  He's neither a Ph.D nor a medical doctor.  That said, his promotion of lean muscle mass, adjunctive use of steroids, and integrative & holistic treatment were (and are!) way ahead of their time.

Nelson strongly believes in ART medications.  He advocates for med-resistant patients to join investigational trials of new HIV therapies.  You can read more at:

http://www.salvagetherapies.org/

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