Is stealthing morally okay?

[SpermMyCumhole]

On ‎05‎/‎05‎/‎2017 at 10:39 PM, hungry_hole said:

Someone who is careless at a bathhouse can contract HIV from a stealther or a guy who does not know that he's poz. The solution for HIV-negative is to stop being so careless, which would be the same advice you would get at any STD clinic. Getting rid of stealthers does not guarantee staying HIV-negative.

Why are you labelling HIV-negative people as careless, especially ones who are victims of stealthing?

If a bottom wants to use a condom and you fuck them without one then you shouldn't be having sex with anyone. If you're going to accuse people of being careless because of actions you took, then you're a sociopath.

I'm a bareback bottom and stealthing is fucked up...

Edited May 10, 2017 by SpermMyCumhole

[SpermMyCumhole]

2 hours ago, Pwrfkme06 said:

every time a top stealths me I say thank you

That's fine for you - but don't assume that it's fine for everybody.

I like to limit my risk as much as possible:

 

I won't have sex with guys that look unhealthy, I won't have sex with guys that have biohazard or scorpion tattoos and I won't have sex with guys who are vers/bottoms. If I put a condom on a guy, which is unlikely, I expect it to stay on and I will check to make sure it does - I also won't let him use his own condoms, so I can be sure that he's using my undoctored condoms. If a top tries to remove a condom or do anything that I haven't already consented to I will leave him with blue balls.

Hell - I'll leave a top with blue balls, if he calls my ass a pussy or some other feminine term - if you want to fuck a pussy get a girlfriend. You fuck my ass or fuck off.

[garsento]

19 hours ago, hungry_hole said:

I was stealthed for the first time by a hook-up at my place. It was not at a bathhouse but it was still an anon hook-up. In the middle of the fuck he pulled out and then re-entered. I remember that it felt different but wasn't sure why. He pulled out, got dressed and before leaving he whispers in my ear "I left you a present". When I touched my hole I could feel the cum leaking out of my hole. I enjoyed it and I was never infected.  How can I compare this stealthing incident with rape?

If the guy did something to you sexually that you did not want and you explicitly said so, well, yes, this would count as sexual assault.

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Let's imagine a typical anon scene. A poz guy who is walking around in a bathhouse looking for a hole to dump his load. I will call him the poz top but it doesn't matter whether he is a "top" or a bottom who just wants to unload and go home after a night of taking loads. What's important is that he's horny and breeding a hole (not making love to a man) is all he wants. There is a hot young guy getting fucked on one of the public slings which catches his attention but when he gets closer he notices the top is wearing a condom. He wants to fuck him next but he wants to fuck him bareback so he can dump his load. He bottom on the sling says he's HIV-negative and requests a condom but after a few seconds of teasing the bottom agrees to go bare as long as he's HIV-negative. The poz guy is horny so he manages to convince the bottom to go bare with vague answers such as "I'm OK" which really means nothing about STDs.

No one in this circumstance is making good decisions, whether we're talking about the top who is intentionally being vague in not providing honest answers, or the bottom who's willing to have bareback sex with someone they do not know. In this situation, I think that Canadian law would suggest that the person who was lying about their status could be legally culpable, at least if they were not demonstrably undetectable and uninfectious.

[bbinbpark]

On 5/10/2017 at 10:23 AM, SpermMyCumhole said:

That's fine for you - but don't assume that it's fine for everybody.

I like to limit my risk as much as possible:

 

I won't have sex with guys that look unhealthy, I won't have sex with guys that have biohazard or scorpion tattoos and I won't have sex with guys who are vers/bottoms.

I agree with you on the first point.  It's not fine for everyone, I for one like guys willing to play with the fantasy of the condom breaking.  

On the comment about having sex with guys who look unhealthy, that is not in itself a guarantee one way or another of keeping yourself from catching something.  Viral load can be high without showing symptoms, people that 'look' unhealthy might actually be perfectly healthy.  The days of being able to identify people with HIV solely on how healthy they look are long gone.  There may be some people that is not the case for, but the vast majority of poz men you would not know have it without seeing lab results.  

How someone looks is more about personal, subjective preference than not.  

[hungry_hole]

On 2017-05-10 at 11:08 AM, SpermMyCumhole said:

Why are you labelling HIV-negative people as careless, especially ones who are victims of stealthing?

I'm only saying that anyone who gets anon-stealthed at a bathhouse will be partly because he has been careless believing that strangers will follow all rules.

For instance, anyone insisting in guys wearing condoms has to make sure to have good condoms and make sure the condom is properly worn. Anyone who lets the top worry about the condom is being careless because then who knows what will happen. The top may use one of his tampered condoms or may not put it on correctly. Remember, these are strangers who all have different sexual agendas and are not to be trusted.

There is no such as a victim in anon-stealthing because the HIV-negative partner is responsible for his health when dealing with strangers.

 

 

[SpermMyCumhole]

On ‎12‎/‎05‎/‎2017 at 9:38 AM, bbinbpark said:

On the comment about having sex with guys who look unhealthy, that is not in itself a guarantee one way or another of keeping yourself from catching something.  Viral load can be high without showing symptoms, people that 'look' unhealthy might actually be perfectly healthy.  The days of being able to identify people with HIV solely on how healthy they look are long gone.  There may be some people that is not the case for, but the vast majority of poz men you would not know have it without seeing lab results.  

How someone looks is more about personal, subjective preference than not.

I'm aware which is why I'm also on PreP - I just haven't completed my profile yet.

My main point is that I'm not a Bug Chaser and find Bug Givers, who would infect non-chasers pretty reprehensible. I lessen my risk as much as possible, if I ever did become HIV+ I'd give serious consideration to castration. Because people shouldn't suffer because of my shitty decisions.

[rtpbbcub]

This kind of perfectly sums up most of my issues with "barebacking" as opposed to "condoming." 

We've made a fetish out of normal sexual behavior and normalized a fetish. And done so to an extent we keep criminalizing normal sexual behavior, diluted consent to the point that we have to mother may I every fucking part of the experience to avoid going to prison, diluted rape to the point that the majority of men are either rapists or "rapey," and I don't think a single guy here (or anywhere else, under the terms set forth by the DOJ, can honestly say they have never committed sexual assault one way or another. At least, not if you've ever had an enjoyable (for either party, sexual encounter. 

What we are essentially advocating is mutual masturbation in the exact way someone else wants. Don't deviate from a pre-written script, don't ad lib, don't  make a wrong move, don't dare to "get into the moment," and oh, by the way, make sure you're providing a porn star, rock my world, blow my mind and load orgasm.  

Holy shit guys, we (as a community) railed for decades to get rid of crimes against nature laws for the explicit reason that it legislated sexual behavior and placed government in our bedrooms (gay, straight, bi, trans, or whatever else alike), and now we sit and advocate for putting them back in? Oh but this time it's only because of a set of behaviors "we (some of us) find objectionable." Really? REALLY?! At what point do we realize that this panic and "there should be a law against that" mentality about morally objectionable behavior only hurts people, doesn't fix anything, and becomes yet another celebrity victim space? One more way for otherwise useless people to have their 15 minutes of fame while punishing someone they just didn't like and/or care about. To think that this changes sexual behavior or makes the world a better place is delusional. 

 

[analluv27]

On 5/13/2017 at 8:36 PM, SpermMyCumhole said:

I'm aware which is why I'm also on PreP - I just haven't completed my profile yet.

My main point is that I'm not a Bug Chaser and find Bug Givers, who would infect non-chasers pretty reprehensible. I lessen my risk as much as possible, if I ever did become HIV+ I'd give serious consideration to castration. Because people shouldn't suffer because of my shitty decisions.

I believe in my good opinion sir that saying you would castrate yourself is going to the extreme. One becoming poz sometimes happens not because of one shitty decisions but due to putting trust in the wrong person, a lot of people don't get tested due to fear. I still stress to get tested and then treated. We then take control of our lives and how we interact with people. Now some people are selfish and have no problem of infecting others but to be honest I find most poz guys are rather honest

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[bttmsubslut]

Faggots like me take any loads real men give us. That's our destiny. I am a submissive cumdump. 

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On ‎4‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 6:23 AM, Cirqueguy89 said:

… couldn't it be considered rape if you are intentionally breeding someone who wants "protected" sex? I want to be open minded to this, but I am struggling with it morally. What are everyone's thoughts behind this?

 

You ask the question “Is stealthing morally okay?” and you add to this, offering a few specifics. As you’ve invited the thoughts of others, here are my views.

Morality is concerned with the distinction between ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ (e.g. notions of ‘good’ and ‘bad’ behaviour). If one doesn’t recognise the existence of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ (and considers such principles to be in and of themselves illegitimate) then your question – about whether stealthing is morally okay – becomes redundant. That’s not to say that, from such a position, one still can’t engage with whether stealthing is “okay” – but, if one adopts that position, the issue of ethics no longer plays a part.

As such, your question only has relevancy within the context of ‘morality’. And the difficulty arises that there are a range of moral perspectives – each capable of offering a different response. For instance, if one takes as a point of departure an egotistic and hedonist moral approach, then it’s possible to arrive at the conclusion that whatever one chooses to do out of self-interest in the pursuit of pleasure is “morally okay”. If stealthing achieves the satisfaction of desires, it is – from this standpoint – acceptable.

However, most approaches to ethics tend to recognise and prioritise a sense of ‘the social’ (identifying and responding to the needs and interests of others). For instance, a utilitarianism morality might seek out to maximise the well-being of the majority of persons. In which case, if stealthing is contrary to the majority interest then such activity is not moral.

The point is, there’s no single – or ‘right’ – answer to your question. Rather, there are a multitude of possible perspectives and opinions. As you’ve framed the question in a moral way, my own response is: stealthing is not ethically acceptable (as my view of morality is socially delimited). Considered in terms of my ethical framework, if someone wants protected sex so it’s morally wrong to stealth them – as doing so is directly contrary to their expressed wishes.

One can, of course, address your question in ways other than ‘morality’ – e.g. in terms of law. And, as I’ve noted above, one might debate whether stealthing is okay without invoking morality … such an issue becomes highly complex, as the idea of whether something is “okay” is often framed in a moral sense (and, if we’re to assess the question amorally, this framework would have to be transcended). I’ll leave that for others …

[Guest TWINKFAGGOTPUSSY]

Why should a Superior alpha male have to tell anything to a beta faggot (In this context SIR's status)? The only thing SIR should tell a fag is to lay there and take his seed like a good boypussy. And to condoms. Real fagholes let ALL tops pound them raw & fill them up. Period. And only real Alphas fuck boypussy raw. A lot of POZ Alphas have a crazy insatiable desire to drain his nuts into a neg fag ass.  A real man's needs being fulfilled is ALWAYS more important than a worthless fuck cunt's worries and health.

If a SIR did a condom trick on you, and gifted you....consider it tough love and learning the hard way your place in life as a cumdump who doesn't say No. Hoping though that their are SIRS out there (as they are stealthing the fag) hold him down and whisper in fag's ear his real status as hes draining his nuts in the neg cunt.

[Guest Dickmagnet]

Everyone has so many different views here it is a bit hard to really judge anyone & besides i am no angel or god so i will leave judging to other people who are gods gift on earth, I know i have gone through the stealthing phase also mostly as a bttm with a doctored condom of my own doing just to get the load !!!! Yes you get bottoms who do it too not only Tops. I am in europe & maybe we are less crazy about calling everyone rapists etc but then again i am only presuming. I still take Prep to be safe too but i love the load inside me if the condom is being used & tears & the Top continues fucking & i can feel it that turns me on too so what should i categorise that as - who knows - honestly i don't really care. I am not so judgemental on these things but maybe that is only me. I am sure someone here will quote a sentence fromm me now as being careless bla bla bla but honestly what i really think i won't write because it's asking for an infraction.

[Guest Dickmagnet]

I think there are many separate questions here after a while it all gets really confusing i don't want to judge anyone here & that is not what i am doing but with some posters i do agree that if a TOP is poz with a high viral load he should not stealth i find that morally NOT ok but if he is clean that means without HIV but wants to dump his cum in the bttm by stealthing that is ok by me personally but again here you can also consider he may have other std's but it can happen that he is unaware that he is infected at the time of fucking. Very difficult to define any definitions to this all.

But to the original question of is it morally ok for stealthing : I would say no if he is POZ with a HVL but yes if he is NEG..

[lipigbear]

I think many in this thread are confusing anonymous sex with stealth. In all of my profiles it states that I am neg and will take loads from anyone. If I were to go to a party and offer up my hole to every cock there a poz guy should not feel guilty about diving in. To go back to the car analogy I am leaving the key in the car leaving the door running and yelling out that my car is available if anyone wants. 

Now, stealthing involves premeditated deceit with the expressed desire to harm someone. If I ask your status and you lie, then insist upon a condom and safe sex and you poke a hole in that condom on purpose, you have then purposefully defied my expressed personal safety concern for your own benefit. Sounds wrong to me.