Is stealthing morally okay?

[Cirqueguy89]

So I am obviously a bareback enthusiast (otherwise I would not be here) but I've seen a lot of posts about "stealthing" and I actually find this very conflicting. Although I am strictly bareback in my sexual practices, couldn't it be considered rape if you are intentionally breeding someone who wants "protected" sex? 

I want to be open minded to this, but I am struggling with it morally. What are everyone's thoughts behind this?

 

also if this is posted in the wrong place I apologize and appreciate to hear where I could better publish this

[Sem]

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I don't think it's morally okay, especially when it comes to the health of another person. 

The real question though is whether Breeding Zone is the most appropriate place to contemplate about society's or one's own moral standards. 

[Guest Dickmagnet]

Well someone has to disagree & it looks like i'm the one for this. I have been stealth fucked several times as well as instigating being stealth fucked by providing a spiked condom to the top that fucks me. Firstly it's totally hot & getting a surprise load in your cunt is just super hot. I don't really understand the dilemma after all you are on breeding zone. So if you don't want bareback sex why are you here ? Maybe i'm wrong but i think all guys secretly want the load in there ass. I don't consider it as rape. Rape in my book is something totally different this is someone speaking from experience from being actually raped themselves.

[punaman]

I don't think it's right to stealth HIV on anyone. Yes, if you're barebacking, and I do, then you should know that one of these times you will get stealthed, it comes with the territory.  But I'd like to be told someone is poz and then let me decide if I want his cum inside me.  My b/f is poz, UD and has been fucking me raw for two years.  If he wasn't UD, I"d still take his raw loads and that would be my choosing, not someone stealthing me for kicks. 

[SuccessfulChaser]

Stealthing in the news. http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/27/health/stealthing-sexual-assault-condoms/index.html

[topstud127]

No. Especially when you're infecting someone. That's fucked up on a multitude of levels.

Otherwise, just to get your rocks off and you know you're "DDF", it's fairly inconsequential but its not okay. 

If someone can't fully consent and come to terms with whats happening, you shouldn't be sleeping together.

[barecub85]

Regardless of how "hot" you think it is, anyone who deliberately violates the conditions under which their partner agreed to have sex is an asshole and is committing sexual assault. 

 

And just because this this is a site for guys who like breeding, doesn't mean that everyone here is only having sex with guys who also like breeding. If a guy tells you he wants you to use a condom and you don't want to use one, be a fucking adult and find someone else to have sex with. 

[Guest GoodExercise]

Sex is a state of suspended morality.

[hungry_hole]

For me, whether or not stealthing is wrong depends on the situation. The more anonymous the situation, the more acceptable If find stealthing is.

If a slutty bottom is on a sling at a bathhouse and before each guy fucks him he asks them "Are you clean?", then I see nothing wrong if the top fucks him and dumps his toxic load in the bottom's hole. It would be like leaving your car with the keys in the ignition and running and then complain because someone stole it.  No, there is something to be said about personal responsibility.

In other circumstances, where guys chat, get together for coffee, and treat each other as human beings and not just cocks and holes, then I find stealthing to be inappropriate.

So, is stealthing morally OK? It all depends.

 

[einathens]

no it isn't okay. 

if you're having unprotected sex with an unknown partner, and serostatus isn't discussed, that isn't stealthing. it's just situational ignorance.

if the condom fails without assistance, that isn't stealthing.

if you're having sex with someone and you've led them to believe that you're negative and/or that you're using an unaltered condom when in fact you aren't, that's stealthing.

you don't get to decide what your partner 'really' wants/needs/deserves.

there are plenty of guys out there actively looking for poz seed. forcing it on someone who doesn't want it is rape, in my opinion, and that is never okay.

[Guest zyx11]

I personally find stealthing to be an incredibly hot fantasy, but genuine, actual stealthing is very unethical in my opinion. Sex is a two-way exchange which requires the consent of both parties - one partner unilaterally deciding to change the terms of that sex without agreement from the other party (by breaking a condom, pulling it off, etc) is committing sexual assault. Deliberately infecting a partner or exposing them to STDs definitely increases the severity of this act, but either way, it's a non-consensual sexual act. It's definitely illegal.

Again, not sure if this place is the right place to discuss the subject, but I personally have started feeling some guilt about indulging in this fantasy in chat - even though I get turned on by the power dynamics (just like how people can have a rape fantasy but be sickened by actual rape), this is an unambiguous violation of consent in reality for me. I'm increasingly concerned that very fictional dirty chats or reposting condom-to-bb porn could be seen as an endorsement of this behavior. I know I can separate fantasy from reality, but I'm starting to wonder if others are doing the same...

[tallslenderguy]

Ditto to the many who state it's not ok. Most of us here do not follow normative standards of morality, but that doesn't mean amoral.

purposefully trying to poz someone without their consent is wrong. Is it okay to break someone's leg or punch them in the gut (sans permission, lol, some may want that, though I can't see myself finding that okay ), or how about add poison to their drink? 

I think it's pretty basic, stealthing is purposeful intent to do harm because HIV is a disease, he'll, is wanna know if someone had the flu before kissing them lol

[tallslenderguy]

PS

i like the fact that we discuss stuff like this here, 

[rogerray65]

I think that overall it is not morally right to do that to someone who doesn't want to be tricked and taken bareback. That being said, I'm not at all opposed to myself being stealthed. I'm here because I prefer to be fucked without a condom and to be bred by my man. I've made that conscious decision and prefer bareback sex with my top dad. Others have not and their choice should be respected.

[hungry_hole]

4 minutes ago, zyx11 said:

I personally find stealthing to be an incredibly hot fantasy, but genuine, actual stealthing is very unethical in my opinion.

You are not mentioning the situation in which the stealthing occurs so I must assume that you condemn all kinds of stealthing, including in anonymous situations.

6 minutes ago, zyx11 said:

Sex is a two-way exchange which requires the consent of both parties -

When I'm at a bathhouse or a darkroom I'm not concerned at ALL about the other guys around me, so it's not a two-way exchgange. I'm there to fulfill MY fetishes, whatever they are, including stealthing if it applied to me. Why would a horny poz guy who goes to a bathhouse after bars close be concerned about ethical issues like consent? He's drunk and horny and if he wants to fuck and breed some hot hole in one of the rooms of the bathhouse, he'll lie if he needs to.

Even in countries where it's illegal to lie about your HIV status it would be pretty difficult to bring charges against a guys who stealthed. How can one bring charges to an anonymous breeder?

I think we all agree that stealthing someone who is known, like a love or a date, is not right. So, can we restrict the discussion to anonymous stealthing where the guy being stealthed bares some responsibility?