chkink Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Just read this. Not sure yet how he got infected. Melbourne man tests positive to HIV while taking preventative drug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cman54 Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Yet another reason to not take prep. I will not do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timfreo Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Many more cases to come. Resistance to PREP is rising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4Bare Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 PrEP was never meant to be 100% effective and the HIV virus does mutate and new med resistant strains are already here so I think Timfreo might be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators drscorpio Posted May 23, 2017 Moderators Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 For goodness sake, have a little numerical perspective. There are several hundred thousand guys using PrEP, and 4 have contracted HIV. I personally know more than 4 guys who caught it from a broken condom. If we use the most conservative estimate of 100,000 on PrEP that works out to be a 0.004% chance. PrEP is working really well. They are already testing different meds for use as PrEP. There is no crisis here. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee82 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 There is no concrete evidence on that issue. Either he didn't take prep everyday or he got knocked up by a med resistant hiv. Until they have concrete evidence, I wouldn't treat this as a case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leatherman667 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 22 hours ago, drscorpio said: For goodness sake, have a little numerical perspective. There are several hundred thousand guys using PrEP, and 4 have contracted HIV. I personally know more than 4 guys who caught it from a broken condom. If we use the most conservative estimate of 100,000 on PrEP that works out to be a 0.004% chance. PrEP is working really well. They are already testing different meds for use as PrEP. There is no crisis here. Totally agree Dr. Scorpio. This is scare mongering. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaguy Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 The guys who are totally pro converting and anti prep are always quick to weigh in on stories like this but never have any facts to back up the claims. If it can't be backed up then it is fake news or alternative facts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justsexnowatl Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 I am curious why they refer to it as a "study" and even refer to it as a PrEPX trial Study with a few thousand participants in the study around the middle of the article. Maybe this is because it's not approved in Australia??? I don't know, but seems strange to call it a study. I am currently enrolled in a PrEP study for Descovy, which has about 5000 men enrolled but that is a worldwide enrollment. When I first ready "study" I kind of assumed it was this study, but as I read the article there was no mention of that. I'm sure we'll hear more details, but even if it's the "proven" Truvada taken as normal, I agree with previous posters that the numbers are miniscule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truversebb Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 As far as I have heard there is only one singe case of PrEP failure that can be backed up with hard evidence. I think I have read in here about 2 or 3 other possible cases but there is no real follow up on them to tell the whole story, if there is a whole story. And then someone on here who is anti PrEP uses it to make the logical leap that PrEP dies not work? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2d2 Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 On 24/05/2017 at 9:19 PM, justsexnowatl said: I am curious why they refer to it as a "study" and even refer to it as a PrEPX trial Study with a few thousand participants in the study around the middle of the article. Maybe this is because it's not approved in Australia??? Several states in Australia are running studies of how widespread use of PrEP can reduce the rate of HIV infection. I'm on the EPIC-NSW study (not the one in the article). It's not a clinical drug trial. Participants get a full course of Truvada (or generic) for 2 years. We have full checkups every 3 months including STIs, kidney function and get asked some questions about our sexual behaviour, how well we are adhering to the schedule, side effects etc. All funded by the state government. Truvada is approved in Australia but is not yet on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme where the federal government subsidises the cost of medicine for most medical conditions. So outside the studies, we have to pay market rates for PrEP. This is likely to change soon especially if the studies show good outcomes. Socialised medicine, mate - it works! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawfuckr Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 On 5/22/2017 at 0:50 PM, chkink said: Just read this. Not sure yet how he got infected. Melbourne man tests positive to HIV while taking preventative drug There's no data about this case, other than someone who was in a PrEP study seroconverted. There have been many seroconversions in PrEP studies, the vast majority of them coming from people not taking the pill. Until we know more about this, this means nothing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6811283 Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 On 5/22/2017 at 9:13 PM, timfreo said: Many more cases to come. Resistance to PREP is rising Do you have any actual data to back that up, or is that just anti-PrEP wishful thinking? Truvada-resistant strains are extremely rare. None of the researchers has raised any alarm about them becoming more common. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawfuckr Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 On 6/3/2017 at 0:39 AM, 6811283 said: Do you have any actual data to back that up, or is that just anti-PrEP wishful thinking? Truvada-resistant strains are extremely rare. None of the researchers has raised any alarm about them becoming more common. There's lots of bug-chasing dreamers around here who don't view PrEP very positively because diminishes the fun. All these anti-PrEP comments here need to viewed in that context... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6811283 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, rawfuckr said: There's lots of bug-chasing dreamers around here who don't view PrEP very positively because diminishes the fun. All these anti-PrEP comments here need to viewed in that context... I get why some guys aren't happy with how PrEP is reducing the pool of virus out there. I decided to quit PrEP myself for my personal reasons and I'm happier. But not everyone wants the bug. People have the right to make their decisions based on scientific fact, not rumor. I have lots of non-chaser friends who are on PrEP and it's been a godsend for them to be able to enjoy bb like the rest of us. They're more likely to get struck by lightning than to get pozzed. But every time another overblown rumor goes around about PrEP failing, they freak out and it ruins sex for them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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