Administrators rawTOP Posted March 26, 2019 Administrators Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 I may have to block all of the EU based on what the EU Parliament just passed… https://www.xbiz.com/news/242985/european-parliament-approves-controversial-upload-filter-directive Basically any site that allows user uploads will have to guarantee that there are no copyright infringements even momentarily. Currently the business model is that copyright holders file DMCA take down notices and the website has to take action on those within a given period of time, and ensure that repeat offenders don't keep offending. Mind you, this is a MUCH bigger problem for Google's YouTube than it is for this site. Ditto for all of Mind Geek's porn tube sites. This site is small and has never had a DMCA notice (that I know of). And we don't have a EU business presence. So I'll let Google and Mind Geek fight this in the courts (or however they fight it). Thing is, they are much more able to put some absurdly expensive solution into place that a small site like this one can't afford. So people, the take home here is YOUR VOTE MATTERS. You folks in the EU elected these fools… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardOneLA Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 An example of more inane law being enacted by governmental bodies that have gone off the tracks - which is essentially all of them! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators rawTOP Posted March 27, 2019 Author Administrators Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 This YouTube video explains what just passed in pretty good detail… This site would be exempt if it were less than 3 years old. All I can can is we'll have to see how things play out. Each of the countries in the EU has 2 years to pass the resolution into law. Hopefully sites like this one can get some type of exemption in that time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigmut Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Its complicated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pozlover1 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 They don’t care about protecting artists. This will be selectively enforced to stop the Yellow Vest movement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators rawTOP Posted March 27, 2019 Author Administrators Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 I have a TON of unanswered questions about Article 13, but based on my current understanding… It probably won't go into effect for 2 years. My porn sites with sponsor content (e.g. bbbh.com) are completely safe. My affiliate agreements make that content completely legal. The hookup sites I want to build (e.g. bbbh.men & cumdump.network) are probably safe if I'm strict about the nature of what people upload (has to be pics/videos of the person). BUT my plan was to pull in people's content from social sites, etc. EU visitors will need to be blocked from seeing that content. But the social site I'm working on (s3x.social) will have major problems. I'll basically need to block all EU traffic from that site. The question is whether blocking EU traffic will be sufficient. I'm not sure yet. But it's early and my understanding of all this could change completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Rick Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 30 minutes ago, Pozlover1 said: They don’t care about protecting artists. This will be selectively enforced to stop the Yellow Vest movement. It's about stopping people from using clever memes to criticize the EU Government. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spunkinmyarse Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 I’ll be sure to bring this up for discussion next time I find myself talking about Brexit lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG1961Canada Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 7 hours ago, rawTOP said: I have a TON of unanswered questions about Article 13, but based on my current understanding… It probably won't go into effect for 2 years. My porn sites with sponsor content (e.g. bbbh.com) are completely safe. My affiliate agreements make that content completely legal. The hookup sites I want to build (e.g. bbbh.men & cumdump.network) are probably safe if I'm strict about the nature of what people upload (has to be pics/videos of the person). BUT my plan was to pull in people's content from social sites, etc. EU visitors will need to be blocked from seeing that content. But the social site I'm working on (s3x.social) will have major problems. I'll basically need to block all EU traffic from that site. The question is whether blocking EU traffic will be sufficient. I'm not sure yet. But it's early and my understanding of all this could change completely. You might have a ton of questions.... but you are asking the 'correct' questions. EU have been VERY aggressive about electronic data, privacy and let's face it - cash. For example, they implemented General Data Protection Requirements (GDPR) last year that require EU citizen's personally identifiable information to be secure - else the company can be charged a significant fine. The EU just won a rather large settlement against Google regarding the default 'browser' on an Android phone. They insist that people should not be forced to use the Google browser but should be able to make whichever browser they wish - their default. And now this. Article 13. One of the most interesting parts of this video is the fact that that GIANT snooping system Google, has spent $100M to develop artificial intelligence (AI) systems that can decode the bits/bytes included in a video or a song etc. It's how things like Shazam work - each song has a digital 'fingerprint' - Shazam reads the fingerprint, validates it against a database of fingerprints and says... This is Madonna's Fuck Me Remix (for example). This digital fingerprint exists within songs, videos, photos etc. It is how digital resource management works (DRM). Then companies offer to license your use for a price - for a fixed period of time or forever. It's a business model used by many digital companies. And so - EU says they are doing this to protect people - but it is another complicated wrinkle in the digital age. We have all seen examples of the same video on Pornhub - I'll call it "Guy Gets Seeded" and it is 2m39 seconds long. Then we see variations of the same video called "Daddy gets fucked" - 2m39seconds) or "Gut gets loaded by big cock - 2m39seconds) etc etc... we pause for a moment and say... "Wait.. that looks like the same video??!!!". Well, it is. But people download and run thru a video editor program and add a banner on the front or shave off a few seconds - and represent it as a different video. Are they being malacious? Nah. They are often just techno porn guys at home goofin' around with a video and helping people with jerk off vids. But, the idea of paying 'rights-to-use' is a big revenue earner for the companies who shoot the porn, pay the actors etc. And then someone downloads and puts it somewhere for us porn hounds to watch (grin)... I'm not saying that's a bad thing for strokers! But their view of this is that they paid the money to create, they don't want us watching for free. Kinda makes sense. Even on this site, you guys have been clear about being careful about using copyrighted material Good for you! You are right. It could cause you legal issues and we would potentially lose this great site. But not everyone uses their common sense. That is the challenge. I think we will see some legal challenges over the next two years against Article 13. The concern of course is the BIG guys have the money to fight this shit - the smaller guys? It could wipe some of them out. Some would argue that anyone who stores copyright/illegal material should get their ass kicked. But, the bottom line is they are pushing the responsibility to scan/use AI/read/decode all this stuff at the upload stage. And our friends Google will be there to get their share of their $100M back.... sigh. You are indeed wise to keep an eye on this one rawTOP. It could definitely cause problems. And yes - your last resort might be to have to block EU users. Their loss. But that is the EU at work. These are only MY opinions guys. But a lot of what I mention here are indeed facts. I'm an IT guy by career and a musician as well. Hope we can get this straightened out so our brothers in EU can hang out with the rest of us. Cheers! PG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortsBb Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 I hope they hurry up with Brexit:D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydudedub Posted May 11, 2019 Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 9:09 PM, rawTOP said: YOUR VOTE MATTERS. You folks in the EU elected these fools… the same the world over except in dictatorships. Plenty of dumb laws passed outside the EU. The sultan of Brunei recently wanted gay people to be stoned to death in that country. Only a major international backlash stopped it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted May 11, 2019 Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 rawTOP, I sincerely hope that you will be able to come up with a solution to this issue - being banned from BZ would be a great loss to me and many other European guys on this site. I myself would be sure to miss this forum very much! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBUK Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) On 3/26/2019 at 9:09 PM, rawTOP said: So people, the take home here is YOUR VOTE MATTERS. You folks in the EU elected these fools… EU Commission creates these rules and laws - they're not elected... Edited June 23, 2019 by BBUK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ceezed Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 1:30 AM, BBUK said: EU Commission creates these rules and laws - they're not elected... The EU Commission are civil servants and perform a technical role, producing legislation in consultation with member governments and subject experts. New legislation proposed by the Commission still has to be agreed by the member states and passed by the European Parliament, which is directly elected by EU voters (unless they are the type of MEP who doesn't even bother to show up) ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo8 Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 3/26/2019 at 5:09 PM, rawTOP said: I may have to block all of the EU based on what the EU Parliament just passed… [think before following links] https://www.xbiz.com/news/242985/european-parliament-approves-controversial-upload-filter-directive Basically any site that allows user uploads will have to guarantee that there are no copyright infringements even momentarily. Currently the business model is that copyright holders file DMCA take down notices and the website has to take action on those within a given period of time, and ensure that repeat offenders don't keep offending. Does the EU have a fair use law? [think before following links] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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