Will you vote for Donald Trump in 2020 ?

[Qilly55]

3 hours ago, rookie6969 said:

Aren't you the same guy that voted for the candidate that led an insurrection to overthrow our government because he refused accept our free and fair elections?  I must admit  it takes guts to go around preaching about democrats ruining our freedoms when you support a candidate and party that literally tried to violently overthrow our democratic government.

Funny...the Democrats said for 4 years Trump was not duly elected and trashed him . And when Bush 43 was elected it was the same thing. Do you honestly believe 81 million people voted for a guy that stayed in his basement? You dont think questions should have been asked ?  And how did he try and over throw the government?

This is really a long discussion and can't really be going back and forth here.

All I have to say is, I hope Biden and his team does well for all of us. 

[Guest rookie6969]

6 hours ago, Qilly55 said:

 Do you honestly believe 81 million people voted for a guy that stayed in his basement? You dont think questions should have been asked ?  And how did he try and over throw the government?

 

...oh boy.  didn't think QAnon would reach this part of the internet.

[BootmanLA]

7 hours ago, Qilly55 said:

Funny...the Democrats said for 4 years Trump was not duly elected and trashed him .

No Democrat I know said he was not "duly elected" - including his opponent, Hillary Clinton, who conceded to him late that night after the results were clear. We said - correctly - that adversary foreign governments worked to get him elected, a fact confirmed by both the Mueller investigation AND the GOP-Senate Intelligence Committee report.

We did trash him, but that's because he's trash. And unlike Clinton, Trump has STILL never conceded that he lost.

7 hours ago, Qilly55 said:

And when Bush 43 was elected it was the same thing.

Like Trump, Bush 43 became president despite losing the popular vote - and the slimmest of margins in the electoral college, winning by one electoral vote from a state he carried by fewer than 550 votes, in an election ALL sides agreed was marred by bad ballots and bad counting equipment.

7 hours ago, Qilly55 said:

Do you honestly believe 81 million people voted for a guy that stayed in his basement?

Yes, I do. Trump gets lots of morons to show up at his rallies, but that's not an indication of anything except how fervently his core believers worship his ass. There are many, many millions of sensible voters in this country who don't feel the need to get out, especially in a pandemic (that the incumbent was ignoring), to make themselves feel important by cheering on a moron like Trump.

7 hours ago, Qilly55 said:

You dont think questions should have been asked ?  And how did he try and over throw the government?

Of course people should be able to ask questions. But they were asked, and answered, and Trump didn't like the answers. They recounted and retallied and checked machines for accuracy and the bottom line is, he still lost. Trump can't believe it because sociopaths like him can't believe there are that many people who hate his guts - but there are. I think any number of other Republicans could have beaten Biden last year, just like any number of other Democrats could have beaten Trump in 2016 (he got lucky that his Democratic opponent was the woman the GOP despises the most).

As for trying to overthrow the government: Biden was duly elected. The electoral college voted for him, 306-232, over Trump. The counting of those ballots was a foregone conclusion and is supposed to be ministerial unless there are actually competing slates of votes both duly authorized by a state (no state submitted more than one slate). Pence correctly understood he had to duly count those votes, and for that act of conscience Trump urged his supporters to swarm the capitol and "stop the steal" - ie force Congress to award him the presidency instead. Where I come from, overriding the voters to keep the outgoing loser in office is precisely overthrowing the duly elected government in favor of, well, a dictatorship. And he was only stopped at the cost of several lives.

[Rawcumchaser]

I am a Dutchman and therefore I am not eligible to vote. President Trump and Bill Maher once pointed my attention to a particular void in my porn collection: 

It turned out, I had cammed with one of the performers, one raunchy perverted fucker! As you will understand, I am eternally grateful to President Trump and if I were eligible to vote, I would wholeheartedly vote for President Trump 😂

[BlueSaphir]

I didn’t vote for him during 2020z certainly will not for the 2024 election. Trump needs to go and SEEK prison time for his crimes. 

[hntnhole]

Laughable outrage ....

We all know that His Orange Corpulence needs the dough - and badly - but I didn't think even he could sink so low.  The glittery gold gym shoes were bad enough - but - now he's peddling Bibles !!!  One cent short of $60 per !!! 

The only real surprise (for me at least) is that these books haven't simply burst into flames of their own accord.  Maybe he soaked the one he held up for the cameras in a bucket of water first .... The "upside down" event in DC some time ago was laughable - this time around, it's just pitiful.  

[hairyone]

On 3/29/2024 at 4:15 PM, hntnhole said:

We all know that His Orange Corpulence needs the dough - and badly - but I didn't think even he could sink so low.  The glittery gold gym shoes were bad enough - but - now he's peddling Bibles !!!  One cent short of $60 per !!! 

It's a very smart way to launder money from churches to his personal coffers. There will be entire congregations that will buy it.

[hntnhole]

2 hours ago, hairyone said:

launder money from churches to his personal coffers

I wonder how much he cares (if at all).  I'm sure the "grift-quotient" was in his mind before he even settled on peddling bibles. 

[WillingRawVerse]

Lots of speculation here about Trump. Voting for Trump. The Biden Administration has set the US back and Biden is the laughing stock of the world. Now I don't approve of everything Trump did but to say that the Muller investigation "found" Trump guilty of has been debunked numerous times and it was a total setup. Trump even beat 2 impeachments with Dems holding both the House and Senate. The facts where not there to support what Adam Shit was saying. And it has been proven that Shit lied the entire time.

[BootmanLA]

1 hour ago, WillingRawVerse said:

Lots of speculation here about Trump. Voting for Trump. The Biden Administration has set the US back and Biden is the laughing stock of the world. Now I don't approve of everything Trump did but to say that the Muller investigation "found" Trump guilty of has been debunked numerous times and it was a total setup. Trump even beat 2 impeachments with Dems holding both the House and Senate. The facts where not there to support what Adam Shit was saying. And it has been proven that Shit lied the entire time.

Please identify one country that thinks the US under Biden, as opposed to Trump is the "laughingstock of the world".

The Mueller investigation (a) did find that Trump & his entourage did any number of things, including agreeing to meet with Russian agents who specifically advertised "dirt on Hillary Clinton", thus demonstrating their willingness to collude with our adversaries to win the election. Mueller found this did not rise to the level of a criminal conspiracy, which is what they would have been charged with ("collusion" is not a legal term; "conspiracy" is). He did not, however, say that they didn't collude - merely that their collusion did not rise to the level of criminal conspiracy.

Furthermore, he did not absolve them of obstruction of justice. He specifically left that question open, presumably not expecting his boss to sandbag him by holding the report confidential for a month but two days in publicly stating that obstruction charges weren't warranted. Except that once the actual text - with the sections the court ordered "unredacted" revealed - was released, it was pretty clear there was a very strong case for obstruction charges. 

The idea that it was a "total setup" is bullshit. Trump himself, or his team, initiated every action that led to the investigation, including accepting the Russian meeting invitation, firing Comey for refusing to go easy on his team, and more.

Yes, Trump beat two impeachments. But "holding the House and Senate" means nothing if you don't have a 2/3 majority (which they didn't), and especially when not a SINGLE Republican (even those who now publicly run him down) had the courage to vote to impeach - preferring political expediency and electoral survival over doing the right thing. The facts were indeed there - it's just the Republicans (and you, I'm guessing) refuse to actually look at them.

And no, Adam Schiff did not "lie the entire time". But I guess if you're used to believing Donald Trump, you would regularly mistake the truth for lies and vice versa. 

[DallasPozzible]

In impeachment trial of 2021, vote was 57-43. Seven Republicans voted guilty. 

[BootmanLA]

16 minutes ago, DallasPozzible said:

In impeachment trial of 2021, vote was 57-43. Seven Republicans voted guilty. 

True - I should have been clearer that I was referring to the first trial, which would have actually removed him from office. The second one, if he'd been convicted, would only prevent him from running this year.

Had the first impeachment vote gone as it should have, we never would have had the January 6 insurrection to worry about. 

[topblkmale]

 

Anyone who thinks the economy under Joe Biden is great is delusional.

 

Just remember 2018, then vote with your wallet.

 

[viking8x6]

Saying "the economy is/was great" without specifying "for whom" isn't all that meaningful. Especially to all of the people who aren't part of the "whom".

[hntnhole]

On 4/2/2024 at 1:25 PM, topblkmale said:

Just remember 2018, then vote with your wallet

Actually, I do remember 2018, and rather well.  

That said, I have never "voted with my wallet". 

Rather, I cast my vote based on the proposals put forth by the candidates.  I was aware of the disparity of opportunity between the Caucasians and "the other" early on, and have done what I could in my own little way to at least not aggravate that situation, and, when possible, advance the cause Justice rather than the cause of selfishness. 

If there is no compassion for the less fortunate within us, then we are truly diminished, impaired in our humanness.  

Call me a "Bleeding Heart Liberal" if you'd like - I'll wear that moniker all day, every day.