Guest hungandmean Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 16 hours ago, Twochipigs said: Daily I read both The NY Times and the Wall Street Journal to get both sides. I don’t watch cable news. I go to source documents if they’re available. Since you claim to be well informed, why don’t you share your news sources with us? He won't. But since im in the mood - Here's some facts: "Since taking office, the Trump administration has sought to reverse healthcare protections for trans people, moved to ban trans people from serving in the military, eliminated rules protecting trans students and pushed to allow businesses to turn away gay and trans customers if they seek a religious exemption." [think before following links] https:// www. theguardian .com/world/2019/sep/03/trump-attack-lgbt-rights-supreme-court "The Trump Administration Asked The Supreme Court To Legalize Firing Workers Simply For Being Gay" https: // www. buzzfeednews. com/article/dominicholden/trump-scotus-gay-workers "1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations." https ://www vox. com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history Literally took me less than a few minutes to find multiple examples of multiple kinds of bigotry and hate that can be verified on tons of news media outlets. You don't like Buzzfeed? Cool, well theres a million other sites with the same info. Don't think the Guardian is unbiased? Well good news those stories are elsewhere. Don't take my links for it? Well the court proceedings are right there and you can literally see the legal documents from the court if you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickluva Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 I like President Trump as much as I like Obama. I like President Trump because he is working with the UN to get homosexuality decriminalized in every country in the World. Trump asked Gilead to treat 100,000 people with PREP for free for 10 years, and Gilead has agreed. Some Doctors think HIV will be extinct soon, and I think PREP being available to everybody is part of that . I love that Trump is not afraid to talk about HIV treatments. I remember when gays I know claimed Trump and the Republicans would destroy same sex marriage. I remember when Obama was asked about same-sex marriage, he replied "I haven't made up my mind about that." Our family business, been in business since 1950, almost went out of business during the Obama administration and competitors who broke Federal banking laws were not indicted. We have thrived since the election of 2016. It is much easier to smile, and laugh when I'm NOT worried about staying in business. Home values in my area are improving dramatically too. I'm grateful for that too. Great topic. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 On 1/19/2020 at 2:42 AM, Twochipigs said: Speaking of gaslighting, if you really were a “gun shot victim actor;” You should be able to furnish us date, time, and place so we can confirm what you tell us. And don’t forget to tell us who paid you for it. [think before following links] https://crisiscast.com/ This is a fun company to work with. There are many others. With all the legal paperwork they make us fill out and sign the rest of the info isn't available, well unless I want to be put in jail for life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pozlover1 Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 I merely hate him less than I hate the PC Snowflake Nazi Commie Scum Democrats. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 Thanks to Trump and Utah Gov. Gary Herbert Utah becomes 19th state to ban LGBTQ conversion therapy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Descartes70817 Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 The one (and only) thing I like about Donald Trump is how he's forcing us to stop ignoring the complete and utter corruption of our government at all levels and from all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators rawTOP Posted January 24, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 On 1/4/2020 at 10:19 PM, dirtyarizona said: I like him because he is crass, I like him because he is brash, I like him because he is fearless. I like him because he is not a lawyer & even more, I like him because he is not a politician. I like him because he is causing millions of the proletariat to wake up & rise up. I like him because the Bourgeoisie & the Deep State are terrified of him. I like him because he realized that Washington & the whole federal government are so broken & so corrupt that the whole operation needs to be flushed down the toilet. I like him because he is a nationalist & because he has stated that the socialists/marxists/liberals/democrats/"progressives" will never turn the USA into a socialist hellhole. Name a single country, ever, that's prospered with a leader like the one you describe above. "Brash" destroys diplomatic relationships and alliances on which we depend (in so many ways). It's one thing to not be a lawyer or politician, it's another one not to understand how laws are made or the value in enforcing them. Not being a lawyer or politician isn't a qualification for anything. If by "proletariat" you mean white racists, that's deplorable. If by the "Deep State" you mean people with decades of experience who know how to get things done, then you're an anarchist. And the "flushed down the toilet" comment confirms that you are indeed an anarchist. If you think that's OK, name one country, ever, that's prospered under anarchy. And you don't seem to understand "socialism". Socialism is Medicare. It's Social Security. It's getting treatment when you go to the hospital and don't have insurance. Socialism is the federal government subsidizing highways in West Virginia more than in Texas because it's a lot more expensive to build highways in mountains than on flat ground. Socialism is the National Park Service. Socialism is making sure your water is clean and your air won't cause asthma. Socialism is making sure your medications don't have impurities in them that can harm you. And on and on… And no country has ever prospered under nationalist leaders – at least not compared to the more cooperative countries that existed at the same time. For example Argentina used to have a GDP that was close to that of the US. Then they went nationalist, and now look at them… Oh, and your "Marxist" comment is hilarious given how you were saying it's so wonderful that the proletariat is rising up. And lastly, I find it deplorable that you'd come onto a gay site and side with someone who has seriously harmed the gay community. But you do express your views in a civil manner. As long as that stays that way, you're welcome to say what you want. 13 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hungandmean Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 1/24/2020 at 11:31 AM, rawTOP said: Name a single country, ever, that's prospered with a leader like the one you describe above. "Brash" destroys diplomatic relationships and alliances on which we depend (in so many ways). It's one thing to not be a lawyer or politician, it's another one not to understand how laws are made or the value in enforcing them. Not being a lawyer or politician isn't a qualification for anything. If by "proletariat" you mean white racists, that's deplorable. If by the "Deep State" you mean people with decades of experience who know how to get things done, then you're an anarchist. And the "flushed down the toilet" comment confirms that you are indeed an anarchist. If you think that's OK, name one country, ever, that's prospered under anarchy. And you don't seem to understand "socialism". Socialism is Medicare. It's Social Security. It's getting treatment when you go to the hospital and don't have insurance. Socialism is the federal government subsidizing highways in West Virginia more than in Texas because it's a lot more expensive to build highways in mountains than on flat ground. Socialism is the National Park Service. Socialism is making sure your water is clean and your air won't cause asthma. Socialism is making sure your medications don't have impurities in them that can harm you. And on and on… And no country has ever prospered under nationalist leaders – at least not compared to the more cooperative countries that existed at the same time. For example Argentina used to have a GDP that was close to that of the US. Then they went nationalist, and now look at them… Oh, and your "Marxist" comment is hilarious given how you were saying it's so wonderful that the proletariat is rising up. And lastly, I find it deplorable that you'd come onto a gay site and side with someone who has seriously harmed the gay community. But you do express your views in a civil manner. As long as that stays that way, you're welcome to say what you want. Oh my ever loving constellation reaching sweet baby magical Jesus ...... nothing could have ever made me feel more vindicated than this. I respect what you've done here. I've never felt more understood before than right here. Maybe they'll listen to reason (they wont) That being said. You fucking rock. I hope you know that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators rawTOP Posted January 28, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 I think it's important to understand the people who like Trump. This article boils it down to "Shit Life Syndrome". https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/03/shit-life-syndrome-trump-voters-and-clueless-dems/ In other words, if your life is shit and you see no way that's going to change, then suicide rates go up, drug use goes up, and you just want things to change – even if that change will ultimately hurt you. Basically if your life is shit with no chance of it getting better, then you want everyone else to feel the same pain you do. In that context, Trump's approach seems appealing… This is why I'd love to see Buttigieg win the nomination, or possibly Warren. Buttigieg is from a "flyover" state and turned around a city that people were talking about as one of the nation's biggest failures prior to him becoming mayor. He gets Shit Life Syndrome because that's what his city was suffering from. Warren is another possibility. Somehow, despite being a Harvard academic, she seems to have the ability to connect with people from Shit Life Syndrome areas. At the start of her campaign she went to West Virginia, into coal country, to tell them straight to their face why coal is dead and how that could actually change their lives for the better. And they listened and didn't think she was crazy. Before you vote, ask yourself if the candidate you're voting for can connect with Shit Life Syndrome voters. If s/he can't, then Trump could very well win again. [To be clear… I'm not saying all Trump voters are suffering from Shit Life Syndrome. I'm just saying a big part of his base is suffering from it so it explains much of his popularity.] 4 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pozlover1 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 45 minutes ago, rawTOP said: I think it's important to understand the people who like Trump. This article boils it down to "Shit Life Syndrome". [think before following links] https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/03/shit-life-syndrome-trump-voters-and-clueless-dems/ In other words, if your life is shit and you see no way that's going to change, then suicide rates go up, drug use goes up, and you just want things to change – even if that change will ultimately hurt you. Basically if your life is shit with no chance of it getting better, then you want everyone else to feel the same pain you do. In that context, Trump's approach seems appealing… This is why I'd love to see Buttigieg win the nomination, or possibly Warren. Buttigieg is from a "flyover" state and turned around a city that people were talking about as one of the nation's biggest failures prior to him becoming mayor. He gets Shit Life Syndrome because that's what his city was suffering from. Warren is another possibility. Somehow, despite being a Harvard academic, she seems to have the ability to connect with people from Shit Life Syndrome areas. At the start of her campaign she went to West Virginia, into coal country, to tell them straight to their face why coal is dead and how that could actually change their lives for the better. And they listened and didn't think she was crazy. Before you vote, ask yourself if the candidate you're voting for can connect with Shit Life Syndrome voters. If s/he can't, then Trump could very well win again. [To be clear… I'm not saying all Trump voters are suffering from Shit Life Syndrome. I'm just saying a big part of his base is suffering from it so it explains much of his popularity.] This is a factor. So is unfounded hatred of Latino culture and an Anglocentric view of the history of the Americas. But there are more reasonable reasons to at least like what Trump pretends to be. The US Constitution was the 1976 Cadillac of limited Government and personal freedom evolving from the 1901 Curve Dash Oldsmobile of the Magna Carta. They had multinational corporations in the form of churches and banks back then, and, once loosed, they have created the modern world by issuing rewards based on benefit to society. The ones that prosper can be trusted to make decisions based on benefit. Governments can only be trusted to wage stupid wars and murder their own citizens. Every. Fucking. Time. Trying to equalize people to the lowest common denominator by versions of The Participation Trophy, the reverse eugenics of welfare payments based on the number of babies you can poop out, and the mantra of austerity for YOU preached by the lazy, nonproductive diamond encrusted THEM, have all proven to be recipes for more slums and stupidity. Governments are in business to create dependency. All. The.Time. Yes working at Jimmy Johns is a shit life, but either learn to weld or accept the low hanging fruit of depending on crumbs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators rawTOP Posted January 28, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, Pozlover1 said: The ones that prosper can be trusted to make decisions based on benefit. This was the logic behind deregulation. It didn't work. Alan Greenspan (a disciple of Ayn Rand) actually apologized for believing too much that successful corporations could be trusted. He basically had to apologize after the financial collapse that happened on his watch… https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/business/economy/24panel.html 33 minutes ago, Pozlover1 said: Trying to equalize people to the lowest common denominator by versions of The Participation Trophy, the reverse eugenics of welfare payments based on the number of babies you can poop out, and the mantra of austerity for YOU preached by the lazy, nonproductive diamond encrusted THEM, have all proven to be recipes for more slums and stupidity. Governments are in business to create dependency. All. The.Time. I totally agree about participation trophies when we're talking about trivial levels of participation. That said, recognition of things like perfect attendance (over long periods of time) and "most improved" do have merit. Being there day in and day out consistently is one of the recipes for success (the turtle vs the hair). But welfare exists primarily to take care of the kids, not the parents. The kids didn't choose to be born into the environment you describe and it's cruel to blame them for the shitty motivations of their parents. So welfare programs are necessary. All you can do is structure them on evidence-based approaches in order to achieve the best possible outcome. When people cut the funding "because those people are lazy bums" it's not going to end well. But I think you're too hard on government. Governments educate people. Governments build roads. Governments can create jobs through good policies. Governments can provide stable environments for living and business (e.g. universal healthcare). By focusing on a small percentage of people becoming dependent you're throwing away the baby with the bath water. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyarizona Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 TRUMP 2020! He IS NOT a business-as-usual politician. He realizes Washington DC is broken, He realizes that the career politicians who have been there for 20 or more years are NOT part of any solution. Trump has opened our eyes to the fact that Washington DC really IS a swamp. Do we really need & can we really afford a bureaucracy of federal employees that numbers over 200,000, & who are almost impossible to fire? The career politicians like Pelosi & Schumer & many other Democrats (& Republicans like them) are going to retire with yearly pensions of over $250,000.00? Throw them out, which is one of Trump's major objectives. Return the government to the people. Career politicians are ever sleazier than lawyers, fer chrissake! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators rawTOP Posted January 29, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 hours ago, dirtyarizona said: TRUMP 2020! He IS NOT a business-as-usual politician. He realizes Washington DC is broken, He realizes that the career politicians who have been there for 20 or more years are NOT part of any solution. Trump has opened our eyes to the fact that Washington DC really IS a swamp. Do we really need & can we really afford a bureaucracy of federal employees that numbers over 200,000, & who are almost impossible to fire? The career politicians like Pelosi & Schumer & many other Democrats (& Republicans like them) are going to retire with yearly pensions of over $250,000.00? Throw them out, which is one of Trump's major objectives. Return the government to the people. Career politicians are ever sleazier than lawyers, fer chrissake! One thing I think we can agree on is that we need term limits. But were you paying attention when nearly everyone Trump hired initially went to prison? How exactly has Trump drained the swamp if he's hiring criminals? And I find it ironic that a Republican is complaining about the size of government when the government typically gets biggest under Republican presidents. (Ditto for deficits). The way Trump has been reducing the size of government (hiring contractors rather than employees) leads to corruption and higher costs for government services. Here's a decent quick read on the issue… https://fcw.com/articles/2017/10/05/federal-workforce-volker-size.aspx 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pozlover1 Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 On 1/28/2020 at 10:16 AM, rawTOP said: This was the logic behind deregulation. It didn't work. Alan Greenspan (a disciple of Ayn Rand) actually apologized for believing too much that successful corporations could be trusted. He basically had to apologize after the financial collapse that happened on his watch… [think before following links] https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/business/economy/24panel.html I totally agree about participation trophies when we're talking about trivial levels of participation. That said, recognition of things like perfect attendance (over long periods of time) and "most improved" do have merit. Being there day in and day out consistently is one of the recipes for success (the turtle vs the hair). But welfare exists primarily to take care of the kids, not the parents. The kids didn't choose to be born into the environment you describe and it's cruel to blame them for the shitty motivations of their parents. So welfare programs are necessary. All you can do is structure them on evidence-based approaches in order to achieve the best possible outcome. When people cut the funding "because those people are lazy bums" it's not going to end well. But I think you're too hard on government. Governments educate people. Governments build roads. Governments can create jobs through good policies. Governments can provide stable environments for living and business (e.g. universal healthcare). By focusing on a small percentage of people becoming dependent you're throwing away the baby with the bath water. Deregulation has worked. It just hasn’t gone far enough yet. There’s no way Fred’s Oatmeal Factory can compete with General Foods, because GF has conspired to make the complex regulations that only they can comply with. Does the FDA actually regulate Monsanto - or does Monsanto regulate the FDA? Used to be you graduate college or trade school and open a shop. Now your only option is to go to work for a huge conglomerate. Translated into something you might agree with, more production should be local to avoid excessive burning of fossil fuels. A person lacking the brainwashing by corporate owned academia might consider that all progress is made through competition, and a small company might find better ways of doing things in an effort to get ahead of the competition. Big corporations tend to fire anyone who thinks outside the box and see no incentive to improve if they have a monopoly on a product. Ayn Rand was right, we just aren’t there yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators rawTOP Posted January 29, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Pozlover1 said: Deregulation has worked. It just hasn’t gone far enough yet. There’s no way Fred’s Oatmeal Factory can compete with General Foods, because GF has conspired to make the complex regulations that only they can comply with. Does the FDA actually regulate Monsanto - or does Monsanto regulate the FDA? Used to be you graduate college or trade school and open a shop. Now your only option is to go to work for a huge conglomerate. Translated into something you might agree with, more production should be local to avoid excessive burning of fossil fuels. A person lacking the brainwashing by corporate owned academia might consider that all progress is made through competition, and a small company might find better ways of doing things in an effort to get ahead of the competition. Big corporations tend to fire anyone who thinks outside the box and see no incentive to improve if they have a monopoly on a product. Ayn Rand was right, we just aren’t there yet. The 737 Max debacle is a good example of corporations regulating themselves. But that's an example of deregulation – the government stopped regulating Boeing and trusted them to do what was right. But they didn't – they designed a plane that can't fly without computers and the software didn't work. All because they put profits over safety. So you were close with the role of big corporations, but you drew the exactly wrong conclusion. Businesses and the country actually do best when there's active and comprehensive regulation that's fair and balanced. That said, I'm a libertarian, and sometimes there isn't a good, factual basis for the regulation. Requiring condoms in porn is a good example. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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