Starwood Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, C10H15N said: In the face of Universal Armageddon, you can always count on the British sense of humor. You forgot our passive aggressiveness. Know going a bit off topic here. I get why Republicans hate Socialised Medicine ( Big Govt, Self reliance), don't agree with it, but still. Now we cherish the NHS. Yes we complain about it, is not perfect, hideously underfunded and we all need to pay more for it, but we love it. We are a mature democracy, we still vote for it again and again. I know Biden is not talking about full Government control, but still he is looking to expand cover. If it was so bad, why are we all in favour of it? Not sure I have ever heard that argument from the Democrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C10H15N Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) The real power in the United States isn't the government, it's big business. Few are bigger than big pharma and the health insurance and care providers. You notice neither party is advocating going full socialized medicine... I personally would not mind if we cut our military budget back to just what was needed to protect the United States, pulled all troops back from overseas (including Europe), and put that money toward healthcare. The military industrial complex and those invested in our thirty year war won't like that. Edited October 1, 2020 by C10H15N 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BootmanLA Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, C10H15N said: The real power in the United States isn't the government, it's big business. Few are bigger than big pharma and the health insurance and care providers. You notice neither party is advocating going full socialized medicine... I personally would not mind if we cut our military budget back to just what was needed to protect the United States, pulled all troops back from overseas (including Europe), and put that money toward healthcare. The military industrial complex and those invested in our thirty year war won't like that. I'd quibble with the details here - I think it's reasonable, as the richest country in the world, to help defend our allies, especially when it means the enemy is fought over there, not here. But I'm fully in favor of reducing our military budget by a few hundred billion, easily. As for health care, we already spend more (actually, about double) per capita on health care than the next most profligate-spender, Great Britain, if you add up insurance premiums, deductibles and copays, private pay, veterans benefits, Medicare, Medicaid, and all the miscellaneous sources of health care spending. That means we could, for instance, adopt a totally-government-run system like Great Britain's but spend DOUBLE the amount per patient, the vast majority of which would go to actual care (because you eliminate all the inefficiencies of hundreds of separate billing systems, etc.). Don't want a program where everyone works directly for the government? Then we could adopt a single-payer plan like Canada's, which is somewhat like our Medicare but it covers everyone. But with that, we could spend two and a half times as much as Canada does per person (again, FAR more actual treatment) without taking any more money out of the economy. Yes, taxes would go up dramatically. But you eliminate insurance premiums and deductibles, and a lot of overhead (my prior GP's practice had two full-time people just to handle billing all the different insurance companies, work that one part-timer could do if there was a single reimbursement schedule and one payer). Finally, it's true neither party's mainstream supports this, yet. But the Democrats will get on board with it long before the Republicans will. There's no perfect candidate or perfect party, but I suspect one of the two is still a lot closer to what you believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nospokenword Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 I strongly believe that any LGBTQI2S+ person that supports Trump is acting against their own interest, as well as the interest of the whole country. Trump is a bigot. Trump is a terrible leader. Trump is corrupt. Trump is a fascist. We have an obligation to oppose Trump and to shame his supporters. 9 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiguyuk Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 Not an American and given the way your country is run, I'm very glad of this fact (not saying i'm anti-American, but I do not agree with many aspects of how your country is governed/controlled). I can understand why in 2016 people wanted to have a 'protest vote' against the status quo of typical politicans, but I cannot understand how even if you wanted a protest vote in 2016 you can look at Trump and think that he is a capable, inspirational or endearing choice of leader. You don't have to be a good politician to be a good leader, but I have not seen anything from Trump that I consider to be respectful, capable or insightful from him. The way he degrades people who aren't straight, white, evangelical men is greatly troubling and especially. More than anything his rise of 'fake news' and the dissolution of fact checking makes me very worried about the future of your country. Either way, November is not going to be a quiet month for you guys. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C10H15N Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 3 hours ago, kiwiguyuk said: I cannot understand how even if you wanted a protest vote in 2016 you can look at Trump and think that he is a capable, inspirational or endearing choice of leader.. I didn’t and voted for Gary Johnson. Even today he’s the least smelly turd in a pile of rancid shit. Given the way the democrats are fucking up the voting system I may get to vote for him more than once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boy4you Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 9/30/2020 at 3:45 PM, C10H15N said: With three Nobel Peace Prize nominations to date, he's doing something right. Well Trump was given the Bay of Pigs award 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C10H15N Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 hours ago, boy4you said: Well Trump was given the Bay of Pigs award Nobody trolls better. 😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BootmanLA Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 4 hours ago, boy4you said: Well Trump was given the Bay of Pigs award He also won the nonexistent Michigan Man of the Year award. And was on the cover of more fake issues of Time Magazine than anyone else. Bigly so. And he has Covid. Thots and prayers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest takingdeepanal Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 The only TRUE protest vote is a vote for the Green Party - but it's hard to campaign and gain voters when you're given ZERO air time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest takingdeepanal Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 6:33 AM, holefucker said: It could be argued that choosing a political leader because he's entertaining is rather like making a career politician the star attraction at a comedy club. I don't think that in either case it's going to turn out well. Maybe he's a comedian at heart - after all, they love to tell everyone how much smarter they are than the average person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest takingdeepanal Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 9:53 AM, Starwood said: Hey must admit, over here in the UK we are having a good laugh. You Americans. You would never catch us electing a blond clown with an iffy sex life, useless response to a global pandemic who had a destructive policy that will destroy the economy. Oh,....er...hang on a minute... Your chap still ... thinks he's speaking to ... journalists who all ... have to record things ... with ... a pen and paper. (which is why he never speaks more than four words before pausing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest takingdeepanal Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) On 10/1/2020 at 10:28 AM, Starwood said: You forgot our passive aggressiveness. Know going a bit off topic here. I get why Republicans hate Socialised Medicine ( Big Govt, Self reliance), don't agree with it, but still. Now we cherish the NHS. Yes we complain about it, is not perfect, hideously underfunded and we all need to pay more for it, but we love it. We are a mature democracy, we still vote for it again and again. I know Biden is not talking about full Government control, but still he is looking to expand cover. If it was so bad, why are we all in favour of it? Not sure I have ever heard that argument from the Democrats NHS is now more affordable because you poor sods aren't contributing more to the EU than you're receiving in return (50m a day). I agree with having full socialized medicine (with a 1.5% levy if you earn more than $87,240 p.a. Additionally, bill shock should be recognized for what it is (an effort to exterminate the poor). The ACA is fundamentally flawed because it doesn't cover EVERYBODY. Edited October 3, 2020 by takingdeepanal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timfreo Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 Trump has done more for America than any President since Reagan. That's just an economic fact. He may be loco crazy, but it worked. The world doesn't need anymore Obama style magic mushroom shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nospokenword Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 8 hours ago, timfreo said: Trump has done more for America than any President since Reagan. That's just an economic fact. He may be loco crazy, but it worked. The world doesn't need anymore Obama style magic mushroom shit. Trump is the worst American president in my lifetime, but I think Reagan is second worst. Trickle down economics, making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Denying science (let's not forget that Reagan ignored the AIDS crisis and as a result many gay men died). The Republican party has been evil since Goldwater started the neoliberal movement. The only decent republicans in the past 100 years were Eisenhower and George H.W. Bush. I guess Ford wasn't bad (but he sucks for pardoning Nixon). Any LGBTQI2S+ that support Trump are acting against themselves and the community. 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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