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Do getting STIs and AIDS define our community?  

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  1. 1. Do you enjoy getting STIs (other than HIV)?

  2. 2. Do you want progress (or are your glad you have progressed) from HIV+ to AIDS so you can get opportunistic infections and shorten your life expectancy?



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I lived thru the worst of the AIDS crisis and watched too many wonderful men waste away and die in an ugly, horrible way.  Romanticizing becoming POZ is about as realistic as being in a gun battle.  In reality, it's a terrifying experience with people dying in very gruesome ways.  Some people have a fantasy life involving becoming POZ.  Ok, it's a fantasy.   I do not want to become POZ and take every precaution available except condoms.  I enjoy being a Bottom and relish raw cock and hot cum in my ass.  

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1 hour ago, Loveitraw said:

I consider the chance that STDs will happen because no matter how many measures you take to reduce risks if you bareback you take risks. But I'm not looking for them, at all.

Nailed it right on the head with this statement right here.  Neither you or I, or the larger BZ community, are trying to erase any talk of STIs.  We're all comfortable talking about our experiences with them and discussing the fact that these are part-and-parcel of the barebackers' lives.

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1 hour ago, LetsPOZBreed said:

Nailed it right on the head with this statement right here.  Neither you or I, or the larger BZ community, are trying to erase any talk of STIs.  We're all comfortable talking about our experiences with them and discussing the fact that these are part-and-parcel of the barebackers' lives.

Exactly! We will get STIs. The question is whether we seek them out and intentionally give them to others. There's a huge difference between unintentionally getting and spreading them and intentionally getting and spreading them.

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I basically wouldn't want to get infected with other STIs, dealing with HIV is more than enough work. But, that still doesn't mean I don't love BB.

I have for the most parts been considerate of who I have sex with and whether or not they would prefer safe or BB sex. Most of the times I ended up having BB was when I was verrrrrry intoxicated. 

Do I regret being poz... Sometimes only because of certain opportunities I had to give up on. Most of the time it's just a matter of me remembering to take a pill then my days continue as per normal. 

I don't however nock other's fantasies and desires to each his own cause, I have my own lil dark desires. So be safe, don't be safe but just take responsibility for your actions. That's all anyone can ask. 

 

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99.9% of every bad thing that has happened to me has either been of my own doing or of the way I have reacted to a situation.  Only myself is to blame for all my own problems.

I was diagnosed poz in January 2006.  Started meds in the last half of 2007.  I am 57 now.  I wish I would not have been stupid and fucked around like I did.  I though with my cock and not my brain.  I still have hopes and dreams about life, but being poz adds a new element into the mix.  It causes me to have to consider health care and medications when thinking about relocating.  It doesn't stop me, it just is another challenge to work out.

I tend to be on the healthy side.  I have had other STD's, and I hated every minute of it.  Syphilis was the worse.  I was fighting that infection for a month.  About two weeks into it I went to a doctor.  Not a STD specialist, but a doctor who did not know about STD's.  Wrong diagnosis.  But a week or two later the right diagnosis.  I went to the doctor twice a day for a week for shots of antibiotics, plus pills of them as well.  My lymph nodes were super swollen.  It was hell.  But as the days when on I got better.  This is when I was diagnosed with HIV.

I don't know why anyone would desire to get full blown AIDS.  I sure don't.   I understand the fantasy with regards to sex and hiv.  I even have them.  But that is where they remain, fantasy.    

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On 4/25/2021 at 6:38 AM, rawTOP said:

"ARD" made some disparaging comments on Twitter about Breeding Zone…

During the discussion (which I give him high marks for keeping civil) at one point he essentially said I was out of touch and should ask around. So that's what I'm doing.

Please answer the questions above. Those questions are at the heart of what ARD is complaining about.

Your profile name will be visible because this is about real life and what you're willing to stand for (even if it's standing for something behind the comfort of a fictional profile name).

Even when the #bbbh hashtag was born there was a disagreement over whether "The Bareback Brotherhood" was just about breeding and the exchange of cum or whether it was specifically a poz thing. The current disagreement is similar to that disagreement except the stakes are higher this time around.

I actually know that guy, and he’s smart. However, I also suspect he’s getting quite close to the end of his unmedicated phase if he wants to live…. 

At the end of the day it’s up to the individual, but dying a slow painful death isn’t my idea of fun, and PrEP has made everyone go raw, so I’m not seeing a downside to modern medicine. 

 

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Philosophically speaking these changes are a long time coming. The eroticized bug chasing moment is passing and needs to with the u=u movement that isn't trying to destigmatize poz people. In places like Boise, Idaho PrEP is still a new concept, and the few out poz people are treated like locusts. The small changes being made by Rawtop will not only lead to healthier lives for Breedingzone members, but will also hopefully allow undetectable people have ordinary sex lives and barebacking can just become sex.

 

But a lot of us really like the danger and excitement we used to get from cruising. The internet killed that. Know we order sex online like takeout. The bathhouses are sadly not doing well. So where do we get that next big adrenaline rush?

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On 4/27/2021 at 1:50 PM, Loveitraw said:

I have answered no to both questions.

A nice and straightforward response, but let me put some context that might help especially if you've ever read any of my fictions.

I found this site a while ago, a while before I was diagnosed with HIV. It blew my mind and I blew some loads. It wasn't until I'd spent some considerable time here, reading, digesting and trying to understand what I was seeing. I was always a barebacker, I loved nothing more than letting guys fill me up, but the longer I spent here the more and more I was coming to the conclusion that I was following a chaser's path. What I didn't know, for all of this time, I was already poz. (hidden message, seriously, get tested)

It progressed as it will untreated and while I carried on doing what I was doing I went full blown. I ended up with pneumonia and was very, very, fucking close to dead. This is where I consider myself lucky. I live in the UK and the NHS saved my life and brought me back from the brink. After a few very long and uncomfortable conversations about my life at that point I decided that meds was my way forward. Mostly because I quite simply didn't want to die.

Because I had already spent so long here I feel I came to terms with things pretty damn quickly. Because I have always maintained personal fitness and, believe it or not, my general health I recovered well. My CD4 count climbed and my viral load has been undetectable from about 6 months after I was diagnosed.  I intend this to remain the case.

Now, I genuinely believe I would have actively chased had things not come to the conclusion they did, it was a path I was already a long way down. Conjecture is easy however and we can only deal with things the way they actually happen.  I ended up poz, it was anticlimactic in as much as I never knew who bred me or even when it happened.  I just ended up in a hospital bed full of tubes with a stern consultant talking very seriously to me.

Since then I have enjoyed myself thoroughly.  I'm undetectable. I disclose it on my profiles, I get checked out regularly and am always quite amazed at how calm the clinic staff are when I discuss my sexual screens. 

I consider the chance that STDs will happen because no matter how many measures you take to reduce risks if you bareback you take risks. But I'm not looking for them, at all.

If you've made it this far, I commend you, I want to say that everything I've just said is entirely personal to me. If this gives a perspective you haven't considered, cool. I don't judge if you disregard everything either, your choice.

As far as I'm concerned this site has shown me that acceptance starts with yourself, cliché I know 🙄, but it definitely helps having others who recognise and understand what is going on. Just be careful of sounding off in an echo chamber.

Have fun guys!

 

 

I simply wanted to thank you for adding this very thoughtful comment to the conversation. This is after all what I was looking for in this community. I can relate a lot to what you describe here and so I up-vote or virtual high five this insight.

I also want to iterate the importance of your "warning" as perhaps some may have overlooked that gem of insight - but we should be mindful of the consequences of what you describe when you say "sounding off in an echo chamber". There is a reason we are the 1% and NOT in the billionaire type of way - ahahahahaha.

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No & No. i've expressed my views quite a bit about chasing and STI's on BZ, so my "no" answers will come as no surprise to those around here who know me.

i've concluded that most of those who write about chasing are fantasizing or are ignorant, or some combination of the two.  i do not think a desire or effort to become, or make other people sick, is rational.  i believe even most the diehard chasers would have a change of heart once they are in the hospital gasping for breath from pneumonia when their HIV progresses to AIDs. 

i'm  a critical care nurse, and have volunteered to take Covid poz patients since we opened a Covid unit at the hospital where i work in March 2020,  i have over 1000 hours of experience taking care of Covid patients.  From the start, there were elements of the Covid pandemic that were reminiscent of the AID's pandemic during the 80's. There is a percentage of healthcare workers who refused to care for Covid patients for a variety of reasons as there was during the early days of AID's when healthcare was still figuring things out.

 On my last rotation, i had a young patient with Covid and the first words out of her mouth when i was examining/admitting her were: "i wish i had gotten vaccinated."  i have yet to have one Covid poz patient tell me they would choose the disease over the vaccine in hind sight.  There are some who need the reality check of getting sick to sway their emotional disposition... and a desire to catch or transmit a disease is emotional, not rational, as are the arguments that are used to promote the idea.  

 

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Doesn't this post violate the sites community standards guidelines by doing excessive damage to the community by promoting STI infection and full-blown AIDS fetishization? I think Mr Scorpion should think about suspending this user.

"What is being banned is encouraging other people to progress to stay off meds so long that they progress to AIDS. I know many of you didn't live through the AIDS epidemic, but it was truly horrible. I cared for my lover as he died of AIDS. I wouldn't wish that experience on anyone - even the experience of being a caregiver was pretty horrible. There is a huge difference between being HIV positive and having AIDS. You can live a reasonably healthy life and have a completely normal life expectancy being poz. But the same is not true once you progress to AIDS. Once you progress to AIDS your life expectancy goes down and your quality of life can completely plummet.

In case you don't know, an HIV positive person is considered to have AIDS if they get one of a number of opportunistic infections, or when their CD4 ("t-cell") count drops to 200 (or sometimes 250 - depending on the standard used). Doctors will want you to do on meds before you CD4 drops below 500. But then there's a gray area between ~350 and 500 which is also relatively safe, though you do up your risk of complications slightly.

This ban also applies to encouraging people to become highly drug resistant. Since that's another clear path to AIDS.

Simply put, wanting to progress to AIDS or become highly drug resistant is a form of self harm that's borderline suicidal. Encouraging someone to progress to AIDS or become highly drug resistant borders on encouraging them to kill themselves. It's not OK."

"Fetishizing STIs other than HIV is also banned. STIs are a fact of life if you bareback, but we want to keep them to a bare minimum since they're a literal pain in the butt (or dick). Sex is supposed to be fun, but when guys stop going to bathhouses and the sex parties because they keep getting STIs when they go – that harms our "sexual ecosystem". Big crowds at bathhouses and sex parties helps everyone. It's more fun for us, and more profitable for the bathhouses and sex clubs"

 

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I am surprised I have not had an STI or converted.  I have been a bareback bottom since the early 80s, lived and had drunken chem sex in San Francisco, Chicago, Milwaukee,  & St. Louis with 100s if not a 1000 different men, and after my first partner died of AIDS, others assumed I had it, so I could only hook up with guys who were positive or straight because I would only bareback and most guys were turning to safer sex practices.   Although I never tried to get HIV or STIs, and did not try to prevent it because I figured it would be inevitable.     

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Both times i chose NO, just because i choose for bareback sex means i like bareback sex & that a certain amount of risk comes with that choice is expected but to go around spreading anything hurtful to others is not my priority or wish. It's a pity in this day & age that there are certain people who wish that on others.

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