Sunovabesh

I will try to reply individually for each point later on. Sorry, just trying to catch up from everything. 

My Heart Reactions ran out.

But, thank you all for your comments! They're very important perspectives that I would love to reply individually. And I am sorry if my post was offensive to anyone here. I don't intend on making anyone feel discouraged or unfavorable by the question. That being said, I wanna say I'm sorry that there's no poll - and I'm kinda embarrassed about that. 

That being said, these comments have really helped me. I accept all of these, and really appreciate you guys willing to take time to respond so thoughtfully! Thank you!

13 minutes ago, ejaculaTe said:

At the risk of making too broad a generalization, that's how men of that generation (hell, it's my generation also since I'm in my 60s) learned how to approach conflict. The emotional sensitivity that -- watch out for another broad generalization -- guys of your generation possess (or at least have been exposed to) was something that developed in the mid- to late-80s. By then, all of us poor saps had been molded and formed, and it could take some real god-damned effort to change. Again, at the risk of boring the reader, it took me 4 years of therapy to get myself on a better emotional path, and the emotional and psychological reactions of 50+ years ago still occasionally flare up. I'm not excusing their behavior towards you, just trying to explain it.

I don't have any other ideas, clever or otherwise, at the moment about this. I'll mention though [that damn risk of boredom again] that my boyfriend of almost 2 years is more than 20 years younger than I am. There are guys of my age who really do give a damn about younger guys and who appreciate the energy and perspective they bring. (Note that trophy spouses are a societal-wide phenomenon, and if you read enough history, you'd think that's what the societal elite is about -- who's on whose arm and getting laid that night.

A note of appreciation though (this and $3 gets you coffee somewhere in America).... thanks for raising the subject and for challenging us to look at ourselves and around us. You can modestly disavow any intent to have such an effect, but thanks for the time and effort.  

1) You didn't sound boring at all, and I appreciate you listing things out specifically in a positive perspective. Thank you.

2) I see where you're coming from, and your words have really made a positive impact for me.

I just am so tired of this scenario. While I acknowledge that I come from a position of privilege (being young, straight passing and skinny), I just am tired of not being appreciated but fetishized by older men. Because, I truly want to be with an older guy romantically (And sexually because I am horny 24/7), but, just too many encounters just keep making me want to quit.

Vent Piece, buuuuut, I'm bored and want to ignore my responsibilities. So, made a poll and shit.

For the past 6 years, I have been interested in older men. And, to be honest..... I'm kinda losing interest in both having sex, being intimate and even being romantic with guys in general (more particularly older men).

Here's my dilemma, and this goes into the poll: Do Older Men really want younger guys? It seems to be a dumb question. After all, we always see "Daddy Pounds Boi" on Pornhub and such, and twinks a plenty riding Daddies and such. But, do Older Men really want younger guys? By "Older" I mean men who are in their 40's and up. And, here's where my questioning comes into play:

There are 3 main problems I tend to see with older guys who claim to want younger guys, but end up not doing anything to keep the ball rolling. 

SCENARIO 1: FALSE SEXUAL DESIRE

This may sound weird, but the amount of Older Men/Daddies who kind of exaggerate their need for sex is really amazing. Top Daddies will say they wanna fuck for hours, and go multiple times... But, all that happens is they just stay still, do nothing, throw in the dick, pump, then just pretend the sex never happened. They don't want head again, they don't wanna go another round - hell, not even want to tease their cocks. They just wanna pull the card of "I'm all business" without saying anything. They promised intrigue and adventure, but all that's happened was basic handshake and awkward silence. Nothing.... Fun.

Or, hell - Older Bottoms. In this scenario, they beg for cock. Desiring the means of multiple sessions, desiring hard fucking, and so on so forth. But, take down your pants, and they can't even have the will power to suck the head longer than 1 second. What was promised as a means to be pounded and to have passionate kissing, sweat and pleasure for both, is just mindless groans of "I can't do this - it's too big, or I'm not in the mood." (6 inches is apparently too big to jerk off.... Yeah, not joking)

A real life example of this is recently. Now, I'm a 24 year old Vers Top who basically went on a trip just to fuck an older bottom (yes, I went on a trip... For that ass.... Though, he did pay for the ride, but it was his idea). Went there to pound him, give him kisses, attention, rim jobs and so on so forth - but NOPE. He just was radio silent, and didn't want me to have my cock anywhere near him. Now, mind you he was busy with work, and I get that. But, no passion even in the pecks we gave each other, no glances at my naked body, or anything. We knew each other for a while now, and talked on the phone everyday, with him wanting to get fucked by multiple younger guys. But, here comes a 6ft. lean pretty boy with a cock ready to fuck him raw, and recently tested all clear - and here he is not wanting to talk to me, but messaging other guys - guys his own age/slightly younger.

This scenario usually comes as the older guy wanting the idea of sex, but not wanting the reality of it, nor desiring it. And this happens the most.

SCENARIO 2:  DEPENDENCE ON EMOTIONAL VALIDITY

It is true that older men are judged by ageist means in the gay community. However, the amount of older men wanting me to be their source of sexual validity, and means of a therapist is rather off putting to say the least. When an older man sends 89 paragraphs of why they're into me, and it's mostly because they feel like they have nothing to live for, and that if they don't have a partner then they're failures, and that it's society's fault for their tooth suddenly missing - it, just..... No. The gay community is judgy, yes - but, that doesn't justify someone trying to pressure me into a relationship. Not only is pressuring bad (yes, I have to say this) , but their mind is not on my well-being or such, but rather on their means of "oh, I'm not lonely anymore, and now that I have a younger guy in my life, I can put all my emotional issues and problems on him to fix it, rather than change as a person, because look - have a relationship now." This of course (if I even entertain this notion), they don't engage in conversations, nor really want to even have sex. Just just kinda waddle in their own emotionally driven and vaguely worded filth for hours, until they just stop talking to you ever again. And, surprise surprise - they then go back to looking at older men as opposed to younger guys. When I leave, though, they'll beg for cock/ass or whatever, but, when I'm there - radio silence. 

An example of this was one guy demanded I showed up at his place to fuck his hole. So, being horny as hell and a bit tired of studying - off I went. And as soon as I showed up, cock ready at hand, he just kinda off-handily told me to put it away and started talking about why he feels unlucky about life, and why no one attractive wants to have sex with him...... Nice. By then asking me to marry him (sure, that's a good segment) he then went to his kitchen/living room to jerk off to Daddy solo's and didn't even notice me leave. Nice.

SCENARIO 3: YOU FIX YOURSELF TO MEET MY STANDARDS

The rule in any relationship is to understand and help your partner - not blind yourself with their excuses, and fix them. As someone who has dated older men, who claim to be blunt - not caring about feelings - all about the facts....... They're just kinda..... Passive aggressive and shit. Now, look, I'll admit, I hate conflict - I'll avoid it by any costs. But, I will address the issue in the room. Politely, probably too nicely - but, it's addressed clearly and properly. The men I dated (51 (18 at the time), 39 (18), 26(19), 49 (19), 54 (20), and 49 (23)) just kind of did the same thing - which was act like everything was fine and dandy, but then out of nowhere started to yell and accuse me of things I never did. And these issues, well... I guess if I did enough mental gymnastics, I can see where they're coming from. But, it all amounts to them saying the same shit: "You're too horny, you're too naive, and you're too stupid/unable to take anything seriously."..... Um, honey... I'm 19 or so lol

Not saying that any behavior that is toxic is justifiable by age (GOD, NO, I AM NOT SAYING THAT, CUZ' PREACH), but I'm young with hormones (supposedly), I don't know how to properly handle every sense of taxing, car work or means of credit values (I'm in college and too busy with tests about philosophy and math to ever even learn how to change my own oil) and I'm happy to be around someone I like, so, of course I'm gonna be happy - which could come off as not being "serious." Though, I'll let that one slid under the radar. 

But, every one of those complaints usually are solved by, ohhh, I don't know - dating someone who has some experience or two? it just baffles me. I'm willing to understands emotions, have very well constructed conversations, and clearly I wanna fuck like crazy, but..... It just seems that older men don't really want younger guys... Well, unless their rich, knows how to fix their own car, never make jokes, keep quiet, and be able to mentally read their mind. Also, being a 5 star therapist with an Oprah Sticker of Approval - That's a keeper, hun. 

So, yes, I know NOT ALL OLDER MEN ARE LIKE THIS.... But.... Gorge', I'm gonna level with you. I'm thinking of just throwing in the towel and being completely straight, or just ace. Ace is more financially stable. Who needs to be a Sugar Son for a House Daddy, when you can just be a rich twink with a 5 star fleshlight? It's Aba-dick-ian Fitch (mwah).

But, it's just kinda getting me back into my reclusive tendencies. Tendencies where I just kind of think no one really wants dick, that it's all a lie, and that there's no point in going after guys in the first place. Every compliment is a lie, every wink is tease and every gesture is a joke.... And well, my hopes are just the punchline...... Oh fuck that hurt typing that shit out. Damn...... Might actually be an artist or something, fuck, fam'. LITerature (BAM).

But, the thing is, I just kinda feel like older men are just kinda wanting younger guys as a means of a trophy, more so than genuinely want them. With me, I realise that there's possibly going to be a political, emotional, and mental disconnect. And, it's not because they're older than me, but because they're an individual. But, despite all that, I get familiar with older shows, music and such, and still make good jokes in person. I try to expand my horizons and means to understand them, and accept them for who they are... And well, they just seem not to want to do the same. Just be stuck on a loop.

But what do you guys think? You think older men want younger guys? Do you think it's possible? No? Or think I should have a brick to the head because I'm culturally appropriating drag queen culture? 

Leave your thoughts down below as I finish drinking this drink that definitely not piss..... It is most certainly not piss.... I hope the fuck it's not piss..... 

Well, fuck. 

On 2/1/2020 at 12:56 PM, BlindRawFucker1 said:

There is a belief in society, that any restriction on freedom is damaging to all freedoms.  "False!"

 

If everyone had the total freedom that some seem to desire, incidents like the Pulse Nightclub massacre could be daily or even hourly occurances.

 

Do you want that?  Of course not!

 

Society has to have guidelines, restrictions and laws.

 

The problem is, that many times, those guidelines, restrictions and laws aren't enforced equally.  "That's" the problem.

 

There is nothing I can do that can highlight how freaking right these statements are. 

47 minutes ago, Theo8 said:

a friend of mine grew up beside him; Billy Ray liked to fuck his dates in the back yard.  Keith got an eyeful more than a few times.

Well, I guess I have to have sex with you and him to compensate for not giving me the fun experience of being one of his dates. 

4 hours ago, ejaculaTe said:

And likely a tear of joy to the eyes of the bottom (or a few drops of pre-cum from his dick)....

Is it bad that the first thing that came to mind was (referring to a bottom's hole) "Taste so good, make a grown man cry - SWEET CHERRY PIIIIIE"!!!

(Sidenote: I would fuck someone to that song)

2 hours ago, Daddyph said:

Please send the anal investigators to me as soon as possible. It’s going to take a lot of time to complete my anal investigation. I have a lot of anus to investigate 😈

"Hello, this is the C.U.M., a cock dispatcher is on their way! Please lay down in a fetal position with a lubed hole for them to be ready to operate"!

6 hours ago, blackrobe said:

If you did that to me I'd just want more of your dick in me.

Welp, we have a winner here, boys! Hope you like riding my face like a harley going 100mph

1 hour ago, blackrobe said:

It really depends on the depth, severity, and duration of the cunting. About 4 days for a pent-up 2-3 hour cunting, and a fuck of any duration where he fucks up hard to stretch and open the sigmoid flexure and breeds there more than six times. For a less rape-like cunting its about 1-2 days. One big problem for me though is that I love the tender pain that an energetic fuck carves into my cunt. I find myself pressing into the sore places to connect with him again, enjoying the hurt, thinking about his seed, and wanting more.

I love you too much lol

1 hour ago, find91 said:

What is average btm healing time after heavy fuck session?

And to answer your question, depends if the top is kind enough to get a warm wet hand towel and help his bottom ease on after the fuck. I personally like giving my bottoms rim jobs, a warm wet towel, a bath, some cuddles and a smack on the ass....... Though that last one may not really HEAL the bottom, it sure brings a tear of joy to my eyes. 

1 minute ago, blkoraltm said:

Normally i go for a thicker boo. So Winston Duke aka M'Baku from Black Panther....

 

But Kofi Sirobe playing a monster hung guy in Girls Trip......

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I agree. He can hop on it

57 minutes ago, bbpigbtm said:

Fuck men- fucking check me out- find if i’ m a case study- i will need a deep dna study

Love to sample yours and have you sample mine

30 minutes ago, NLbear said:

Yes. And I think I need the whole team on this to investigate it from different angles.

My God, we might need more tops for this -

EMERGENCY BREECHING - BOTTOM IS IN HEAT! I REPEAT, A BOTTOM IS IN HEAT!

5 minutes ago, NLbear said:

I opt to be investigated by the C.U.M. team....

What are you saying, investigator? Are you saying you need an anal investigation?

1 minute ago, blackrobe said:

What he said... 

I love a growing hog in my trough.

I think we have a team here to settle the investigation.

This investigation may be sweaty, hairy, and full of salt. However, in the criminal justice system, sexually based inquiries are considered an important investigation. In Breeding Zone, the dedicated detectives who investigate these tasty cases are members of an elite squad known as the Cock Underground Members, also known as C.U.M. These are their stories.

17 minutes ago, ErosWired said:

I would never pay someone for sexual service for exactly this reason - the thought would be constantly on my mind that to the other man the interaction was nothing more than a business transaction. He might as well be fucking my wallet. By the same token, I would never accept any compensation for my sexual service because a) the Top is already entitled to my ass to begin with, and b) because my goal is for the Top to leave with a greater sense of self-worth.

You already make men feel worthwhile by letting us see your beautiful self ❤️

32 minutes ago, Pozlover1 said:

Some very astute observations there. I consider Snowflake an attitude not an age group. The attitude began with  older pseudointellectuals. A demographic known for European shitbox cars, goatees and a superior, condescending attitude.    I like to find common ground between people, and the sluts on BZ have so much in common with Right Wing Conservatives  they should consider switching sides. We think for ourselves, laugh at the instructions for life hammered by the TV through childish instructional sitcoms. We ignore the carefully chosen items given to the bobbleheads who read us “news” geared only to inform us why we should be afraid of everything and which holiday is coming up that we need to buy shit for. Meanwhile, just like the rednecks with their rifles and 4X4’s we enjoy life and Liberty to the fullest. 
It’s the dogmatic Liberals who immediately label idiots and morons anyone who doesn’t march in lock step with their goofy ideas on melting icecaps and socially engineering people to be identical drones. They are completely deaf except to anything that might offend anyone, then they screech in unison like the Pod People they are. Fanatics identical to Focus On The Family refusing to even discuss or consider that David and Jonathan were lovers. 

To me, ALL CONTROL FREAKS ARE NAZIS. 

Politics aside, I understand where this is coming from. Your concern is that being controlled/limited by pretentious personnel while trying to appease the masses of media concepts is rather...... A pain in the ass to say the least. Caricature-made, but understandable. I can concur with that. Applying that thought to the identities of "snowflakes" can be very important in your eyes, due to you not wanting trivial matters being more important than the significance of one's freedom and ACTUAL important issues. I agree with this notion.

I too, as a "hardcore liberal," do agree that there is pseudo-liberal tactics that may please a general crowd without actually addressing the main issue. I seen it very well as a kid, with governors saying "I like gays," and 20,000 think pieces on Huffington Post saying that the governor who said such should be praised for acknowledging something so basic, when homophobia is most definitely not that govern's concern. I never understood that, and simply labeled those who follow that whimsy as "Mouth-Breathers."

However, I will say this in my regard - I don't think on restriction, I just believe in responsibility, when it comes to freedom. You can drink and MAYBE get in a vehicle, but, don't be drunk. A sip is different than 40 kegs of beer. Same thing with freedom/basic human decency. Then again, I'm not opposed to a governmental law that enforces every man over the age of 40  to wear jockstraps and be rimmed by guys in their 20's 24/7. I guess I'm a nazi in that regard. Afterall, as a "socialist" I believe every Daddy should share his musky hole to all us young men to taste. It could help starvation. At least for me lol

I might not be personally going through this, though I would love to personally investigate this. Wanna volunteer?

8 minutes ago, NLbear said:

What is Growlr like? If I look at the most recent reviews most of them are 1 star out of 5. Most complaints are about spam, fake (bot) profiles, non-responsive customer service, app crashing etc. so not so keen to install that on my phone. I am "old school" anyway, I prefer a website to start with before I add a sex-related app to my phone.

To be brutally honest, I really don't like hook-up apps (this may contradict what I stated before). I really prefer meeting men face to face and just having a good conversation with them, and seeing if it could lead to a date or whatever. However, Growlr at the time I was on (2014) was.... Decent. I just mentioned it because at the time, I met a lot of guys who were like me and wanted an older bear bottom. However, I forgot how very "anti-twink" and toxic it could be. At the time, I was a horny 18/19 year old boy who wanted to breed or be bred by older bears. While there, I met and chat with younger guys in my area who wanted to do the same. However, there was a lot of toxicity towards "twinks," and anything that was "fem." So, I kinda just thought of it, thinking that maybe older "masc" bottoms might get some attention, due to my nostalgia-horned up memories, that maaaaaybe they might have a shot of being accepted due to it seeming to be very "masc bottom" supportive. Then again, looking back on it, you might have better chance with Scruff. 

12 hours ago, Grinder said:

I usually tell them that I am seeking generous too, so it's a wash. 

The reaction is usually priceless.

When I was younger I respected my elders and pulled my pants down for the Daddy man, These kids don't understand that concept, Such disrespect!

22 hours ago, ErosWired said:

Indeed. I am beyond tired of twentysomethings hitting me up on Grindr when I’m hosting and then asking if I’m ‘generous’ as though I was the one hitting on them. When they ask me now, I just tell them, “I’m only generous with my ass, but you can have as much of that as you want.”

The irony is that one or two of them have gotten pissed at that and called me a whore.

I agree with this. Love to bottom for you(Grinder and ErosWired) by the way (love to top you, too (both)). But, I never appreciate this mentality. Wanting a "generous" Daddy really has a lot of complications to it (Power dynamics, consent, means of emotional value, etc.). Now, I am by no means insulting sex workers, as they in fact work hard and deserve respect. However, just asking for money out of nowhere is just pathetic and ill-advised. I want to date older men, so, maybe my viewpoint might be rather skewed. However, I really don't get much men wanting to date, due to them thinking a younger guy just wanted to date them for money. This leaves lot of older men to feel insecure about themselves and feel like all their worth is what's in their pockets, and not in their hearts or being. No man should ever feel less than the man he is. And it bothers me so that older men feel like all they're worth is just being a wallet, due to the misuse of "Sugar Daddy" culture. 

Okay, I'm probably throwing myself in the fire here, but, I'll give it a tug in case someone needs to hear this; So, off I go!

The conceptualization of "snowflake" as a means to perpetuate a generational dilution of character (I.E. "bravery, resilience, diligence or such") is lazy and counterproductive. 

I mean, I could be petty and just say that the same ones who call my "generation" a bunch of snowflakes, are just failures as parents for "making us that way," thus they themselves are inferior to their parents and thus deserve ridicule and humiliation as well. But, that argument does nothing, but water down the actual means of this branding of "sensitivity" and such. I mean, it wasn't so long ago that a black man starring in a movie caused certain people to be horrified and disgusted because it went against their "values," thus to me, I see them as a generation of being "sensitive." But, that's besides the point. 

The point here is that "snowflake" really does nothing to prove a point. It really seems odd especially as a guy who wants to date/ has dated older men, while being 24 - the right demographic in which I can be marked under the "snowflake" identity. 

"Respect your elders, but allow them to disrespect you." "Appreciate the work of the last generation, while letting them discredit yours." "Always understand that the elders are a product of their time, but never have them understand your views." This conceptualization is so easy to be subconsciously implanted with such mockery, that can lead to a sense of entitlement that can not only lead a one-sided relationship, but also give an excuse for someone not to better themselves. And to tangle with political identity, really gives way to something far more toxic. 

Being critiqued for optics and behavior is not the equivalent as a toddler throwing a tantrum. And seeing people trying to devalue such as a means with a political tactic is an easy way to fall under the "Oh, this ideology is with THIS political party, and it so happens to also be with THIS demographic in age (with a word like "generation," which is commonly being misused), thus, this age is BAD, because political identity is BAD." It does nothing.

I see too many older men (coincidentally, I presume)  beg for nuance but then decry "radicals" for just simple manners. The last few comments here doesn't really help that case. 

My point in bringing all of this to attention (specifically for those who want to do better, and want to actually progress in building better arguments and such) really need to actually address the issues, and not pin blame on a demographic of age. Or, better yet, decry simple pleasantries as condamnation of "freedom" (Which I see WAY TOO MUCH in some circles). 

I'm not saying that there are no difference between generations, as technology and cultural shifts clearly show. However, just saying a "generation bad," with vague vocabulary, just comes off as cheap. 

And while I intend this message as respectful as I can be, I do encourage a man over 38/39 (The end of being a millenial) to take a breath and simply understand the argument being placed. This is not towards all men who are older than me. 

I personally don't care for tasting it (really depends on the person's diet, some cum was so bitter I literally threw up), however, swallowing it is fun. However, prefer seeing/feeling a bottom cum. Then again, not gonna say no if a bottom want his cock sucked. 

Overall, cum is mostly on the "it's okay/don't care" means for me. However, with the right guy, I can "like it."

6 hours ago, blackrobe said:

Uh-huh. *smirks knowingly*

And I love you for it.

11 hours ago, Pozlover1 said:

The two guys from Zombieland

Woody Harrelson can hop on this dick, especially if he acts/looks like his character "Tallahassee."

To be brutally honest, younger guys who wanna dominate/date older men are (from my experience) are more likely on Growlr or Recon (at least that's were I was/am). However, most of the guys I see that are into it seem to be more on message boards with "bara" porn. 

I also forgot Billy Ray Cyrus....

No, I don't have a type... *sweats*

6 hours ago, takingdeepanal said:

You can fuck me for as long as you want.

Don't tempt me. I'll show up yo crib like https://assets.s3xstatic.com/bz/uploads/monthly_2020_01/image.png.52e80917b603c5691e20cc73fcf268ac.png