RubyRoo

On 11/27/2020 at 7:52 PM, BootmanLA said:

We actually have the electoral college because the slave states wanted to ensure that slavery would be protected, and thus they refused to sign onto the Constitution until (a) the idea of giving every state two senators, regardless of size, and placing that provision outside the amendment process, was included; (b) the House was apportioned by counting enslaved people, who could not vote, albeit at a 40% discount; and (c) having the president selected by electors, who equaled in number the senators and representatives from a state. This meant that after the first census (in 1790), VA ended up with 19 House seats and 21 electors, while PA only had 13 House seats and 15 electors, even though it had virtually the same number of men eligible to vote.

It's also true that we have a republic, but a republic is a FORM of democracy. "Republic" means simply that we elect people who make most of the decisions of governance for us, as opposed to having a referendum on every single thing that comes up (we'd be voting full-time if we did). 

It never was about people being "very smart" or "well read"; you could vote for Congress if you were a free white male over the age of majority (with the additional qualification, in some states, of owning some form of property). Rather, the "official" justification for the electoral college was that the candidates for president would likely not be known to anyone outside their home state area, and thus state legislatures, who would know the most widely traveled residents of the state, could use them as electors to then choose the president. In reality, once political parties formed - which happened during Washington's second term and which permeated the 1796 election between Adams and Jefferson - identifying with a particular state was no longer the issue; it was which party backed the candidate.

And as for slavery preservation being the basis for the EC: look at the results for the first twelve races:

1788 - Washington (slave state) wins
1792 - Washington (slave state) wins
1796 - Adams (free state) wins, but only barely
1800 - Jefferson (slave state) wins
1804 - Jefferson (slave state) wins
1808 - Madison (slave state) wins
1812 - Madison (slave state) wins
1816 - Monroe (slave state) wins
1820 - Monroe (slave state) wins
1824 - Adams (free state) wins, but not via the EC.
1828 - Jackson (slave state) wins
1832 - Jackson (slave state) wins

There's a reason all those presidents from slave states kept winning. The votes of white slaveholders and their fellow state residents counted for a lot more than those of white free men in non-slave states, because of how the electors were apportioned.

In any event: in the 21st century, the excuse that people wouldn't know the candidates is ridiculous, as is the notion that electors would exercise independent judgment to keep lowlifes out of the White House (see, for instance, the 2016 election). There's no reason the vote of a person in Wyoming should count for more than three times what the vote of a person in California should (or, to flip the party issues: the vote of a person in Rhode Island shouldn't count for three times what the vote of a person in Texas does).

that moment when on a gay breeding forum, a person with a pic of their asshole gives a better history lesson than 20 years of school...

politicians suck, but there are some that suck less... I believe the 2 party system is rigged, i.e. the electoral college, but lesr we forget the US is a republic, NOT a democracy... we have the electoral college for back when not many people were very smart or well read, now, almost everyone is, but some choose to ignore the stuff they read, so at some point, it's better to keep the electoral college...lol

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why do you want crabs?

definitely lipstick, helps with the whole thing, also use your tongue on the bottom of his or her cock, definitely sure to get their attention 

I used to be a maga supporter in 2016... Im not anymore, after seeing the hate and transphobia and bigotted nature, I couldn't support him, getting into politics more, I liked Jo Jorgensen, after following her for some time, I love her policies and as a libertarian, I support her more, as we know, libertarians have supported lgbt rights since the 70s, so they're ahead of the curve

thankfully I voted Jorgensen because OOF

- A trans libertarian