Is Sucking Bare Safe?

[curiouspuppy429]

had a few drinks and talking to a guy from another website, wants me to suck him, but only does it bare.  Is it safe if I swallow precum or his nut?

[GermanFucker]

Short answer: yes, case closed.

 

Long answer: The question shouldn't be "Is it safe" but rather "is it safer than getting hit by lightninig", i.e. safer than general risks in life. Some scientists say it's zero, some studies suggest there is a minimal (like 0.0x%) risk when the guy nuts in your mouth. The problem is that in reality there are only a few anecdotal cases who claim to have gotten HIV from oral intercourse alone, so its absolutely possible they just forgot about the 20 loads they took in the ass when drunk to the point of blacking out.

 

Common sense says that unless you're bleeding profusely from your gums and the other guy is a end-stage AIDS patient, the risk is absolutely negligable, i.e. it's more likely to get hit by a bus or struck by lightning. In other words.: even if there WAS a risk, it's so incredibly low there's no point in worrying about it.

[bearbandit]

"End-stage aids patient" - I assume you mean someone with an extremely high viral load. For most people their VL is never higher than when they're in serconverion illness: shortly after infection there is a massive spike in the viral load accompanied by a drop in CD4 cells. Most treatment will reduce the viral load to indetectable within three months - stories of guys achieving undetectable within a month a becoming increasingly common. If someone is reaching the end of their life and it's aids that's brought them there, they may well have a low viral load, as it's not HIV that kills people: it's the opportunistic infections. My partner who died in 2007 was undetectable at the time of his death.

 

Saliva is the beginning of the digestion process and it's long been known that an enzyme in saliva is inimicable to HIV, and what remains of any HIV swallowed is killed of by stomach acids. There needs to be an entry point: the damage sufficient to let in HIV is such that treatment in and A&E might be more appropriate than oral sex.

 

I like your point about the guys who swear they got it from sucking cock: I've long maintained that the transmission figures are distorted because of closet cases who somehow feel that suck a dick is somehow "less gay" that taking it up the ass. I tend to put the risk closer to being hit by falling space debris... ;-)

[GermanFucker]

"End-stage aids patient" - I assume you mean someone with an extremely high viral load. For most people their VL is never higher than when they're in serconverion illness: shortly after infection there is a massive spike in the viral load accompanied by a drop in CD4 cells. Most treatment will reduce the viral load to indetectable within three months - stories of guys achieving undetectable within a month a becoming increasingly common. If someone is reaching the end of their life and it's aids that's brought them there, they may well have a low viral load, as it's not HIV that kills people: it's the opportunistic infections. My partner who died in 2007 was undetectable at the time of his death.

 

Yeah sorry, I think that was misleading. What I mean was someone with a high viral load who doesn't receive treatment. To the best of my knowledge the viral load first spikes upon primary infection, then drops and remains low during the latent phase only to rise again as the body's ability to keep the virus in check deteriorates. That is if you don't take antiretrovirals. Only immediately before death I can imagine that the situation gets a bit fuzzy, when there are no more T-cells left that could serve as an incubator for the virus.

 

 

If it's not rude to ask: was your partner one of the denialists / did he oppose medication? Or did he receive treatment which might have supressed the virus in the blood but the damage done was already more than the body could sustain? I realize he would still be classified as an AIDS patient. So yeah, bad choice of words on my part. What I meant was: Someone with an incredibly high viral load.

[bearbandit]

No problem, GermanFucker... In every graph I've seen showing progress of HIV disease, the viral load never again  reaches the height of that initial spike after infection. True, it rises again, but by that time it's killed off enough of its host cells: the cells of the gut and a certain skin cell are other types it likes: it just likes CD4 cells more. But at least that explains the resurgence in weight loss before death, and the difficulty many PwHIV have with skin problems.

No, it's not rude to ask: how else are we to make sense of the whole epidemic without asking questions? John was a hypochondriac of the first order, to the extent that I refused to allow medical books in the house. He worked with in a hostel with homeless men with "substance use" problems and one day was first on the scene when a guy had hit an artery instead of a vein. When that happens you haven't got time to go looking for gloves, face mask etc: a single minute can make the difference between life and death. John ended up drenched in this guy's blood while putting a tourniquet above the bleed site and shouting for someone to get an ambulance. Apparently they got the guy to hospital in time...

 

We didn't really think any more of it: we were used to him coming home from work and announcing that he was loused up again which was my cue to run a bath, get the Quellada out and for him to strip at the front door so I could get his clothes into the washing machine. That was about 1997 or 98. He had shingles in 2000 which made me raise my eyebrow a bit, but I thought "he's over forty, in a stressful job, an ideal candidate for shingles" and left it at that. It was only in 2003 when he had a needlestick injury at work, who had, by then, instituted an HIV policy to protect staff, that he tested. It turned out positive and his CD4 count was low enough to count as aids in the USA. He'd started a diet (he was a big guy at 250 pounds and 5'8") at the beginning of the year which was going well: it turned out that the reason for doing well was that he had MAI in his guts which was preventing him from absorbing food properly.

 

In one of his many "how did I get this?" sessions he added in another detail to the guy who'd hit an artery while injecting: he'd taken mouthfuls for blood and though he tried to spit it out, he had appalling oral health). The company he'd worked for had a policy of gicing all front line staff a free life insurance policy worth a year's salary to go the partner if you died as a result of an incident at work. Even after John's death I didn't think about this: when the life insurance company tracked me down I thought it was some other policy John had taken out without me knowing. Because we hadn't married, his mother had to do the negotiations with the insurance company and when she told me the sum of the payout I knew exactly where it had come from. She also skimmed nearly 50% off the money before it got to me, so guys, if you haven't made a will, even if you're legally married, MAKE ONE! Don't think you can trust even your family: "we don't want a penny of it: you'll get the lot" became "we thought X deserved some money and Y, and Z..."

 

I knew John's sexual practices very well, even though we never had sex after I started the original version of ritonavir (the chemical castrator): he didn't like ass-sex except for pissing into an asshole or giving an enema, he wasn't much into sucking or being sucked. For him it revolved around cigars, forced smoking, breath control (I still miss having his initials cigar-branded on my chest). There's no doubt in my mind that he got HIV through getting facefuls of blood: I know how much it takes to establish an infection, which is why I'm always dubious about claims that "I got it from cocksucking". Most likely John also got infected blood in his eye (hard to see how he didn't), which is a highway to the brain...

 

Sorry to have talked at such length, but I wanted to make it clear how fuckin' difficult it is to get HIV through oral sex, and what it does take to get it through the face...

[curiouspuppy429]

Thanks, guys.  I guess I'll go through with it the next time a guy wants to then.

[Jamie85]

BearBandit, thank you for your insight on that.  I was worried about HIV until I ran across an article that suggested that sucking and swallowing wasn't that big an HIV risk.  Your information adds to that impression.  Thank you.

[suckerphile]

What about contracting other diseases, besides HIV?

[curiouspuppy429]

That's a godo question, suckerphile.  I posted that I was ready tos cuk bare and swallow, but am not sure if you can catch anything else.

[bearbandit]

What about contracting other diseases, besides HIV?

 

It's strange that people worry about getting HIV through cocksucking, yet it's the only sexually transmitted infection you can't get by sucking cock. Other STIs are likely to be more noticeable in the mouth/throat than in the ass, but still the possibility of symptom free infection exists. All I can recommend is to have a quick look at the cock in question before you get it in your mouth and avoid cocks with any obvious sores, discharge or other "not quite right" appearance or smell. And take a step back to the 1970s when the standard advice we used to give out about STIs was that everyone who was sexually active should have a screening for STIs every three months whether they had symptoms or not.

 

Unfortunately it's the people without symptoms (and that tends to be men more than women) who are most likely to pass their infections on, sumply because they don't know they have them and therefore don't get them treated. Think of your quarterly STI screening as a pre-emptive strike on behalf of your health. Tell the truth at the clinic (they've heard it all before, anyway) and if you have an infection, complete the course of whatever treatment they give you: if too many skip out on their antibiotics we end up with a strain of clap or whatever that is increasingly resistant to that antibiotic, making it more difficult to get rid of...

[NLbear]

The one disease I had and didn't know about was chlamydia. You can have that without knowing it. The others I knew I had because of the symptoms.

[Guest MrBob]

Sucking bare must be safe or I would be dead years and thousand of hard cock ago. To me it is an insult if a man want his cock sucked and uses a condom. If I can't talk  him into no rubber them no suck. He wants to be sucked off, but I want to feel his hard cock in my mouth and feel and taste his cum as he shoots it in to me.