sluttony

I'll add my "good call" comment.

I've always wondered how anyone can find STIs hot. As a dedicated BB bottom, to me they're something that is a risk, and yes the risk is part of the excitement but, would be a hassle to be got rid of as soon as possible.

I'm very much of the opinion that what consenting adults do is between them but encouraging someone into the levels of self harm I've seen on here sometimes is not hot at all.

I have to be in Nottingham either later this week or next (probably this) and normally I'd stay at the Britannia. It's not the highest quality hotel, however, it benefits from being able to walk in, past reception off to one side, and into the lifts to get to a room which makes it perfect for arse-up, door unlocked spunk collecting (which I intend to do).

Unfortunately, it's not taking bookings for these times so...anyone recommend another hotel in the vicinity (NG1 area) where it's easy for guys to walk in and get to the room?

And of course, any tops fancy a no questions asked pump and dump, also let me know 🙂

Shame I'm too old at 46. I've always wanted to be the target for bukakke and gokkun!

Hey guys

Any UK guys want to chat on Telegram, feel free to add me - Slut_Tony

Once I have a few guys, I plan to start a group chat for all the bare bottom sluts (like me) and the tops who are desperate to load us post-lockdown.

I am also on WhatsApp - 07895 902664 and Kik - barebackmehard - if anyone (pref tops/top vers) guys want to chat. Happy to chat with anyone, from anywhere, but ideally looking to meet for real. East Midlands (Notts) is my home, but I work UK wide so message me anyway as I will likely be close at some point :-)

Yep...bored of it. Think my holes have healed over!

16 hours ago, rawTOP said:

So, after talking to DrScorpio I realized that the current infraction system wasn't working the way I thought it was working. Infractions will now always expire – anywhere from 90 days for minor stuff to 2 years for serious stuff (most often 1 year). The number of points and expiration period are now always moderator modifiable (which means be nice to the moderators!) Old infractions that weren't set to expire have had their expiration dates set. (180 days from date of infraction where it was 1 or 2 points, 1 year for 3-5 points, and 2 years if over 5 points). That's still pretty strict, but better than it was…

My apologies for not realizing what was 

Is there any scale of severity? Is it handled with say a dropdown box or is it at the whim of the admin / mod?

I picked up 7 points, a 3 day ban and a 10 day restriction from posting for posting in the wrong area, which seemed very harsh for a first time offence (at least I dont recall ever picking up points previously).

And while I accept what I did was silly, it was done with no malice or intent and although not a regular poster, I've tried to be a well-behaved one over the years.

By the time I could ask about it privately, I'd served the bans so kind of pointless by then, doing anything other than sucking it up, hence my suggestion why it would be useful to be able to at least PM the admin or mod who issued the ban.

As a slut, I've always prided myself in taking any load from any cock offered, even if I've occasionally had to steal myself with a stiff drink or two.

When I'm in a sauna, my preferred position is arse up, face down and I'll rarely stop to look who is inside me.

I also love dark rooms, glory holes, blindfolds and outdoor cruises when it is pitch dark.

@rawTOP happy to confirm that the ads show without any specific white listing in pi-hole

I'm on my phone at the moment and I'll check with the script blockers tomorrow.

I do like the idea of a credit/debit and escalator (points reducing over time) system- it strikes me as a way to not be over-strict if a user who has been otherwise well behaved makes a simple error of posting in the wrong area... new user with no credit could be hit harder than a regular who has a better reputation.

The ability to be able to respond to the admin who gave the punishment would be useful.

23 hours ago, rawTOP said:

If you trust the proxy service, yes proxy services are a good idea. I've actually been meaning to start advertising a few. But a bad proxy service can put you in a worse position than no proxy service at all.

And a corollary to that is there is no trustworthy "free" proxy service. They need to make money and they'll do it by selling your data.

Man in The Middle (Transparent Forward) proxies fail completely when they encounter a site like this one. I have HSTS enabled on all my sites. If there's a transparent forward proxy you'll get an invalid certificate error warning you that the connection is not secure. It will look like this…

https://assets.s3xstatic.com/bz/uploads/monthly_2020_01/bbbh-cert-problem.thumb.jpg.5c0c5c3a1cac8f6306036964aed96f56.jpg

I went through this the other day with a user who didn't want to believe he was being spied on by his ISP.

So let me explain transparent forward proxies as well…

Basically if you use a device owned by your company and their tech "set up the computer for you" with their "standard build" before giving it to you, then there's nothing you can do about it. Your computer has probably been configured to let the corporate firewall spy on you. And it's probably been locked down so you can't stop it from happening. Bottom line, buy your own computer and phone!!

But if you use your own device (laptop, phone or tablet) and corporate IT hasn't touched it, then when your device hits their firewall (that acts as a transparent proxy) the firewall will attempt to "proxy" your request meaning you talk to the firewall, and the firewall talks to to the server. They can do this one of two ways – 1) present you with a fake encryption certificate for the site, or 2) force your browser to downgrade from HTTPS (encrypted connection) to HTTP (clear text connection). They'll then connect to the server on your behalf, request the page, examine it. If it passes their tests, they'll pass it onto you either in clear text or with a fake encryption certificate. If corporate IT has meddles with your device your browser can be taught to accept the fake certificate from the firewall as authentic. If they haven't meddled with your computer all they can do is downgrade you to clear text. The thing is the webmaster can configure their site in such a way that browsers know that the connection must be encrypted (the protocol to do this is called HSTS – HTTP Strict Transport Security). That means your browser won't allow the firewall to downgrade you to clear text. And if they try to present a fake encryption certificate your browser (because it hasn't been meddled with) will show you an "invalid certificate" error like the one above.

The problem is that it's up to the webmaster to configure HSTS. There's no way (that I know of) for a user to configure their browser so it only does encrypted connections. The browsers will tell you when a site is insecure, but it's just an icon above the page. You may miss the fact that you were downgraded to clear text.

I only know of two sites that implement this - here and Ebay.

Obviously, I dont browse sites like this on my corporate machine, but to date the -only- one that throws the above error is, as I say, Ebay.

23 hours ago, rawTOP said:

Off-topic question… Do you still see the banner ads on this site (they're "first party" ads, not part of any ad network). And which Javascripts are blocked on this site? (It would affect functionality – like you' wouldn't see how many people are in chat, etc.)

I typed a reply but I think I refreshed the page before submitting. 

I believe I see the ads. I'll confirm when I get back home - working away at the moment.

I don't really tend to use the chat but again, I'll do some playing and let you know what, if anything, breaks/doesn't appear normal.

8 minutes ago, rawTOP said:

So some good news… The UK gave up on their porn filter because emerging technologies were being deployed that would make it impossible to enforce the law. Here's a basic run down of how things can be blocked now and how that's all changing…

When you type in something like [think before following links] [think before following links] https://breeding.zone what happens is that your computer asks a DNS server for the IP address of the server. That request happens in clear text, so the DNS provider (probably your ISP) and everyone between your computer and the DNS provider know that you asked for the IP address for Breeding Zone. The DNS provider probably won't have the IP address, so they then have to ask my DNS server for the IP address. That's also done in clear text, but it's less of an issue since it's server-to-server. No one can tell that YOU made the initial request (unless you're dumb enough to run your own DNS server that only you use).

OK, so next your browser has the IP address and it connects to BZ's server. You entered HTTPS at the beginning so it knows the connection needs to be encrypted. That sounds great, the problem is on the first, initial connection, it needs to send the domain name of the site in clear text because my server handles multiple sites on the IP address. Each one could possibly have a different encryption certificate, so the domain name has to be sent in clear text so it knows which site's certificate should be used. This is called "SNI" (Server Name Indication). Before there was SNI you could only have one encrypted site per IP address. So once again, everyone between you and my server knows you asked for a page from Breeding Zone.

After that point everything is encrypted. The only thing anyone can tell is that you're talking to some site on a particular IP address. They can do a query and find out what sites are on that IP, but they can't tell which site you're on or what it is that you're viewing.

So the British government decided that the way they were going to enforce their law is to block sites that violated the law at the DNS level. They'd force everyone in the UK to use a UK-based DNS server and then they'd require everyone running a DNS server to block sites that were in violation. That's how most firewalls restrict access to particular sites (say a corporation that doesn't want you looking at porn on company time).

Then came encrypted DNS, which encrypts the DNS request so it's no longer sent in clear text (which is a VERY good thing). There are two leading contenders – DNS over TLS ("DoT") and DNS over HTPPS ("DoH"). Corporations and governments like DoT because the DNS requests are happening on their own port, so the corporation/governemtn can block people on a network from using anything but the approved DNS server. DoH however is a complete game changer because, to the network, the DNS request looks like a normal web request, not a DNS request. It uses the same port that you'd use to retrieve an encrypted web page. That means there is no way for the corporation or government to block you using DNS. That's what ended the idea of a porn block in the UK – DoH makes it impossible for them to block anyone. If you can't enforce the law, then there's no point going forward with it.

But actually, they could still enforce they law – they'd just have to listen to the web request and block requests based on the domain name that's passed in clear text in the initial request. So that means SNI can be used against you. A number of people tried to close that loophole, but no one could figure out a way that would actually work. Then the guys at Cloudflare (one of the big cloud hosting companies) devised a plan. They're calling it ESNI (encrypted SNI). Basically when you make an encrypted DNS request instead of just getting the IP address you'll also get an encryption certificate. Once you have that, you can encrypt the domain name in the initial request.

The issue is that governments and corporations could simply block anyone doing a request with ESNI, or they could block particular IP addresses that host the "problem" sites. That's where Cloudflare comes in. They're HUGE. They've committed to deploying DoH and ESNI for all their customers. And they plan on randomly hosting a variety of sites on any particular IP address. That means that any government that tries to block all requests that use ESNI or block any particular IP address will be blocking quite a few "legit" sites along with the problem ones. That means blocking will fail when granny can't get to her recipe site because the government blocked the IP.

The big companies like Clouflare and Google aren't pushing this stuff to help porn. They're doing it for people like the Chinese who are behind the "Great Firewall of China" and don't have access to balanced news sources. It probably irks Google to no end that they have to censor their results for the Chinese. This will end that. Sure, Google.cn will have the censored results. But when DoT and ESNI are widely deployed the Chinese will be able to go to Google.com for uncensored results.

And I should mention DoH is available now and easy to use. Simply use Firefox, go into preferences, search for "DNS" and turn it on.

Until the ISPs are forced to use a MITM "bluecoat*" type of proxy.

I have a VPN router. Anything even vaguely "wrong" (using that very loosely) uses that as a gateway. Everything is encrypted and the VPN DNS servers are DoH by default to stop DNS leakage.

Also have a pi-hole to shut down advertising etc. and I have noscript and ghostery etc on my browser of choice.

You're right though- it failed because, like the dumb attempts to force a "legal backdoor" into encryption technologies, it is flawed ideas being constructed by people who dont understand the technology of what they're talking about.

*other vendors are available 😉

I guess it also plays into your recent changes around user ranks and restrictions - is there any way to implement a system where the level of seniority is made up of time here as well as post count/quality? I'm thinking more along the lines of infractions where your time here can reduce the severity, say?

4 hours ago, rawTOP said:

One of the things people really dislike about this site is the infraction system. The most vocal critics seem to be spoiled brats who think they can do what they want, when and where they want. Honestly, I don't care about meeting the needs of spoiled brats. But I do recognize that the infraction system is imperfect. While we're running this forum software, we're stuck with what we've got. But as I build new software that can change. So give me your feedback on how you think a good infraction system should work.

For starters it has to start with a design that minimizes unintentional mistakes. Right now a lot of infractions are given for posting in the wrong area. That's because people don't always think about where they are in the structure of the site before posting. So I'm envisioning a site with less structure. It will actually be tag based. So threads can show up in multiple places. So a thread like the one about LA banning the production of bareback porn could show up in LGBT Politics, and in the LA section, and in the bareback porn section. I'd have you pick the general theme that most matches the thread (bareback, cocksucking, fetish, etc.) and then everything else will be determined by tagging.

There will also be reminders that in certain types of threads certain other types of discussion aren't allowed since HIV fetish, chem sex, and other sensitive topics will still only be allowed in certain areas. The person who starts the thread will determine what of the restricted topics are allowed and the thread will be placed accordingly.

So first question for you guys – what are the other things I should think about that can reduce the number of inadvertent rule violations? Is there something you've gotten an infraction for that, if the site worked a different way, you might have avoided the infraction?

Next, I'm envisioning an infraction system that's based on credits and debits. So when you do something good for the site, you get credit. When you violate the rules you get a debit. Bans will be based on your balance (credits - debits). So if you've done a lot of good for the site, you can make some mistakes and all it will do is deduct from your credits. Whereas if someone who's new to the site does the same thing they might be banned.

If you're wondering, credits will be given for starting popular threads. Or making comments that get a lot of upvotes. Or reporting a problem that gets validated by a moderator. There will also be ways to earn points on my other sites – so on the porn sites stuff like cropping an image you like, or choosing a filter that makes the image look better would get you credits. On the hookup sites, uploading images that get a lot of likes and making them public will earn you points. Also, hooking up with a "trusted" member or attending certain sex parties will get you points.

Some people will accumulate a lot of credits. So in those cases surplus credits will turn into things that have actual value. So big discounts (possibly free) branded gear (e.g. a t-shirt with #BBBH on it), or discounted (or free) entrance into certain sex parties. As I build out hookup site type features, the credits can be used to "advertise" yourself on the hookup site. All of those things are things that people will also be able to pay for (buy a t-shirt, pay an entrance fee for a sex party, or pay for better visibility on the hookup site). I can also envision letting users with surplus credits transfer them to friends so their friends don't have to go through the process of proving themselves like other new members.

So there will still be an infraction system, but trusted senior members won't ever really feel the effects of it (other then a slap on a wrist and a reduction in credits). And they'll be able to give their friends the same experience by granting them some of their surplus credits. Basically saying "I trust this person, and the site should as well".

The only problem I'm seeing here is that there may be so many ways to earn points that people rack up a crazy number of points. So I may limit the number of points a person can earn in a day. And I'm also thinking that once a credit is marked "surplus" it can't be used to pay a debit for an infraction. That means that a long-time user with lots of credits can't suddenly cause total chaos on the site and get away with it. And if a person has surplus credits and gets a large number of debits, then it will draw down a percentage of their surplus credits as well. (Small infractions won't draw down surplus credits, just major ones).

So if you would… Think through your experiences with the current infraction system and tell me whether what I've laid out above resolves the problems of the current system.

Hi RT... to sort of continue our PMs for me, it seems that it can feel a bit heavy handed, as you said.

I posted in the wrong area of the site and accept fully that was a mistake (as you said, I just didn't think and there was no malice). 

The points - fair enough but I also received a 3 day ban and a 7 or 10 (I forget) block on posting which, as I say, seemed a bit excessive. But I think it felt worse because I couldn't contact a moderator for that entire time, either, and that is the bit that stung.

So if there was a way to implement an escalator system (again for a first offense it seemed OTT) rather than an instant ban hammer being dropped and if it was at least made possible to communicate with admins (also a double edged blade, I know, because there will be idiots that use it to hurl abuse) and some system in place to allow an apology etc.  It would feel less... extreme.

On 12/16/2019 at 3:56 PM, rawTOP said:

It's not about being "PC". There's A LOT on this site that isn't PC. It's about staying within the limits of the law.

I've said it before and I'll say it again (over and over)… Who you vote for makes a difference in your sexual freedoms. Who your friends and family vote for makes a difference in your sexual freedoms. Don't think you can ignore politics and then come on a board like this and complain that your freedoms are being limited. You, your friends, and your family members limited those freedoms when you voted the wrong lawmakers into office.

Oh, and it's just going to get worse. About a week ago 4 Senators asked Attorney General Barr to do more obscenity prosecutions (conservative source, liberal source). Obscenity isn't just about images – text can be "obscene" as well. Barr was a big proponent of obscenity prosecutions when he worked in the Justice Department in the Bush (Sr) administration. If Trump gets a second term we're likely to go back to those rather dark days. And it's not just a problem in the US. Britain is trying to regulate porn (though it's temporarily failed), Australia wants to regulate porn, etc.

The rules on this site are there to keep things legal and to keep the site off the radar of aggressive conservative groups. This is why the moderation of this site is "somewhat aggressive" and why that will continue to be the case with the sites I'm building. I don't need problems. If you become a problem, then you're no longer welcome here. This is a private site, there is no right to free speech. Free speech means you can start your own site and possibly face lawsuits and jail if you don't police it properly.

As a brit, I've never seen the government's attempts to block access to porn as just that.

It is absolutely about controlling information, generally.

A few years ago, as my fellow Britons will remember, we had quite a large political scandal around members of parliament and their expenses - we had some pretty hard core fraud happening.

I've always maintained that if there was a "porn filter" that it would soon be used to hide information such as the above.

And from there, there's nothing stopping us emulating the great firewall of China.

It's a downhill slope.

I've always wanted to find someone into Jiu Jitsu who can properly choke me out.

The closest I managed was when a semi regular top brought another top to fuck me. He saw my gas mask (which I mostly use for poppers, but also want to be tied and a top to pump them into the mask until a pass out) and while I was on my back with his bare cock balls deep in me he wrapped both hands round my neck and choked me hard.

He wouldn't go so far as my passing out though unfortunately even though I said he could if he wanted.

But I've also had the fantasy for as long as I can remember to be slipped something and fucked bb while I'm unconscious. That needs a whole lot of trust though, or a genuine stranger doing it for their kicks.

Honestly, having administered a few forums over the years, I can say first hand that trying to deal with the idiot spammers and malware link generators rapidly becomes a full time job and is actually enough to cause many and admin to give up.

It's a technological arms race that you always lose, and so ultimately the only real way to stay on top is patching (which can also be an almost full time job in itself) and restricting what new users can do.

And when you do the latter on an already established site, it always causes a small amount of pain and complaints, but I am all for it, personally because it will free up Rawtop and the admins to do more of what they want to do and will help to protect the community... and I'm sure no one here wants him to throw up his arms and give up.

Thanks for all you do. I know it's a ton of work.

I've been to Sheffield, Mansfield and Manchester.

Sheffield is very hit and miss - I've had 11 loads and I've struggled to get a single load.

Numbers definitely dropped off when they went to every couple of weeks rather than monthly. Numbers dropped again when they took the doors off the gloryholes.

The last couple of times though, over the summer, things seemed busier again. Definitely not back up to the old levels of guys though.

Mansfield was reasonably, if not massively, busy but it felt very much like too many guys waiting for the perfect, ideal, man. The action was very sporadic. The place is cold and the layout doesn't lend itself to cruising- too many steps and trip hazards. Plus it has a run down, less than clean feel about the place.

Manchester was dismal. There were three people including myself. I got one cock whilst in the sling and I'd hope it was just a bad night but the logistics of getting to, and staying in, Manchester just mean it is too expensive to keep trying.

Hope this helps a bit.

Something seems to have gone wrong with search?

I'm using chrome on android 8 and when I hit search, then it appears to pop up something behind the main logo but it's faded and cannot be accessed. 

2 hours ago, rawTOP said:

This is one of those rare times when Dr Scorpio and I disagree. I probably would have questioned it as well. I've reversed SlutTony's infraction.

Just as a case and point… Ryan Cummings… Clearly he gets A LOT of loads, but there are times I'd swear he counts the number of times dick is inserted into his ass rather than actual loads. I mean, I'd love it if his numbers were real, but I'm highly skeptical. But at the same time even if he "only" actually got 400 loads in a month when he said he got 1144 (to take January as an example), he's clearly in a class where the difference is somewhat immaterial. So yeah, I question it, but at the end of the day it's a difference without a distinction.

Thank you RawTop...it was genuinely never meant to be either rude or aggressive...more as a surprised "are you sure?"

I've seen Twitter posts where the guy in question would have had to take a load ever 7 minutes to have collected the lpads claimed. And that would have been without any breaks!

3 a day for 300 days is 1200-1500???

On 6/15/2018 at 12:23 AM, cumboybottom said:

Since age 13, I've easily taken well over 10,000 loads in my ass, probably closer to 20,000.  And I don't plan on every stopping!  If you're ever in the Fargo area and want to breed my hole, hit me up at 701-433-1709!  NO loads refused!

Really...because at 31, 10000 loads works out at pretty much one for every single day since you were born...

Hot but weird use of capitalisation and purple font makes it a tough read

Hmm I've always had an interest in (as the Japanese call it) Gokkun. There's some fantastic videos of (only ever seen women) taking load after load to the face whilst it's collected then poured into a wine glass or some other vessel and they chug it down.

Fuck yes.

Mind I've also always wanted to get multiple loads blasted into my pubes - I think it dates back to when I was a teen watching copies of straight porn vids on VHS where the guy would inevitably pull out and blow over the girls hairy cunt.

Personally I will take quanity over quality any time. The more cocks and loads I can get the better and I don't give a rats ass about how they look etc or how well (or not) they fuck.

Just wondered from both a bottom and top perspective if you'd rather have a quality session or just sheer numbers?