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Would any Democrats care to lay out the arguments for pardon?
nanana posted a topic in LGBT Politics
Thanks to a cool head that was not my own, I cordially invite any Democrats to make the arguments for the big man to offer a pardon. -
No you didn’t get my point. I’m not saying justice isn’t good. I’m saying it gets harder and harder to administer the more removed it gets.
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The people who can be definitively linked to an immoral act. It’s not good enough to say they “look” similar or were “born” into it. Children have no control over their circumstances, and the world is never going to be “fair.” Economic winners are always going to do something that pisses off others. As I said before, I am HIGHLY in favor of people and groups who feel that what they inherited was affected by past injustice to do something about it. However, there are two examples at different extremes of this and many examples in the middle of them: 1) build the capabilities to have the life you want; and 2) focus on taking away things from others that have been poorly distributed by past injustices. As I said there are reasons to do both, but I think the second path is likely to be less effective the farther it is in time, especially generationally, from the injustice. Also, the more unfocused the remedy is on the ACTUAL PEOPLE who did it. The wider the net especially to people who had no originating role in the injustice, the greater likelihood the remedy will be perceived as a new injustice rather than a remedy applied to the right people for the right people. That is partly why elites love to tell stories about injustices were long past capable of doing anything about in the present, to distract from current injustice that could actually be tagged to the originator. The search for ancient injustices keeps us ricocheting and degenerates into stereotypical thinking, whereas building a skill and a legacy is harder to take away.
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When it’s directed at the wrong people yes.
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For those of you who enjoy research into unintended consequences: [think before following links] [think before following links] https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/Instructing-Animosity_11.13.24.pdf. Unfortunately even things as well indented as DEI sometimes have consequences that are the opposite of the intended result.
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I say, all people rise up and be your highest selves. If you think shaming is an effective tactic then by all means don’t let me tell you what to do. I’m only advocating targeting the right people to shame. Collective punishment has a way of turning individual justice into a group-level beef.
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I like what you said here BootmanLA but this is also happening in Europe, where you can’t make the same argument. Native Europeans are being shamed as racists for resenting the resource reallocation presented by mass migration. The pattern of white-shaming is bigger than just the colonial lands. Without disagreeing with you that the colonial past has marginalized native communities can we at least explore whether white-shaming is an effective tactic, especially as collective punishment for an unequal universe? Or is it really a good tactic to smear people by race even if their past ancestors seem enviable through a modern lens?
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The bombing of Syria after the white hats staged the Assad chemical attack and the assassination of Soleimani would be two examples of Trumps erratic behavior gone bad, but that same erratic behavior produced a brief detente with North Korea
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One of my most hung ex boyfriends was an Israeli top btw so maybe it’s not THAT bad to be abu Gharibed by a fucker-Knesset 🙂
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Eventually only Israelis will be allowed by the WHO and UN to be tops. The rest of you clown-tops will be bitches of your national traitor-governments.
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Spent a lot of time researching this today. Basically, the Ziopublicans tried to honeypot-Epstein Gaetz because he wasn’t kissing the AIPAC ring. Most Republicans are Zionists. So they are happy to Epstein the AIPAC-free Gaetz to make him into a eunuch. And the Democratic and Republican partisans are both too compromised to stand up to the Zionist parasites, who bit the heads of both parties from the inside until they are hollow. But no Democrats could see that except maybe Dennis Kucinich, the old anti-war hero.
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It doesn’t look as if this data explains WHY they view him unfavorably. Much of the unfavorably has to do with right/left politics and his “attack” on the judiciary branch last year as well as his corruption. Unfortunately as ILANA Mercer points out ([think before following links] https://www.ilanamercer.com/2024/05/jewish-state-genocidal-israeli-society-sick/) there is enormous support among Israelis for the genocide.
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I hear you. No intel on that but it does look less than good.
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Would you mind elaboration on your wish to see them go?
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This is truly great news. It’s too bad that 88% of Israelis support his genocidal policies.
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His accuser, Joel Greenberg , was involved in a sex trafficking ring and he was eventually sentenced for it. It consisted of getting girls for sugar daddy’s and at least one was a minor. However Joel did a plea bargain where he lies and tried to implicate Matt Gaetz. For political reasons the Zio press jumped all over this. Joel isn’t reliable. He has 33 felonies the list of amazingly stupid things he did is enormous. Even the completely corrupted Merrick Garland refused to prosecute the case. Sorry to see him go.
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Putin just fired an ICBM into Ukraine that could reach any European capital and could contain nukes. But I bet NATO will keep poking the bear.
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The homicidal Deathmocrats will finally have their geriatric “remember-me” fingers off the red box, and hopefully the new Red-rum-licans will (maybe-but-maybe-not) know how to de-escalate.
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All good (say I , the OP) great to see a diversity of thought even when it doesn’t favor my own interpretation. Bring it on and keep it coming 🙂. The chat inspired me to look at stats on civilian casualties in the conflict, even one is one too many 😞. I hope we the residents of the planet figure out collectively how to de-escalate before the cost of disagreement is the entire species. Where’s a big scary homo-sapien-uniting alien when you need it?
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That sounds like neocon propaganda to me but would love to see any figures and sources you have.
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@PozBearWI, thanks for calling me out on this, hate to mischaracterize people. I didn’t want anything untrue to stick but was hard pressed from your highly pithy highly interpretable question to gain clarity on your point. I’d def agree the world is murky and subject to respectably conflicting logic. My interpretation (but I’d love for people to share facts to move me if the facts support a new interpretation) is that in general US and NATO are much more offensive, though most large powers have their deep states that are constantly manipulating both their internal public and external populations. Even when I’m at my most simplistic and most passionate, it’s usually to be efficient with space and always happy to share the planet with people who see things differently. In my experience, most Americans have not looked deeply into Ukraine before 2022. I include myself in that space but not for lack of trying. I also find that most Americans assume the best of themselves and the worst of other nations, especially when the press has vilified and dehumanized them. @fuckholedc, thanks for the corrections to my original citation of numbers and the point about Europeans clamoring for NATO expansion, great point. I am fan of channeling real conflict away from violence and toward economic competition, and I agree Colonel McGregor that the real art of war is to AVOID one. As counterintuitive as it is, being unpredictable can sometimes have the effect of sobering up a belligerent enemy. (I’d rather spend my time on lovemaking than war-making so hope they figure it out quick.
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That interpretation would suggest that you are not aware of or didn’t mind the Obama administration’s support for 2014 color revolution and neocon Victoria “Fuck-The-EU” Nulands overthrow of the democratically elected president of Ukraine and the subsequent slaughter / civil war between the Russian -speaking Ukrainians of the eastern provinces, which declared independence, when 14,000 were killed at the hands of the Ukrainian government. Also that you were not aware the Bush administration promised Putin not to expand NATO, but the Western blob-pire made Bush a liar just to ensure Europe remained the impotent bitch of the US. As usual, the heroes of any story have a lot to do with where you choose to start telling it.
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In case people don’t know what I’m talking about, Biden just authorized Ukraines use of US long range weapons to shoot moms and dads and children deep in Russia.
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