Sane Discussion about insanity

[tallslenderguy]

42 minutes ago, tobetrained said:

Maybe we're getting to a real point of differentiation here. I don't believe in those things, social welfare, healthcare as a right.

Too many times in history either tyrants or political parties have used government spending for political support. Tyranny can come from an individual or group/political party.

So political altruism is not subjective, in these two cases anyway. As I've said before, as a Centrist, I accept things I don't like. I don't demand purity.

i suspected you would take that stance re social welfare and healthcare and i think your response demonstrates the point of how different people see, and respond to, the same word differently.  We all have a degree of egocentricity that convinces us we are 'right, good, etc.," and we've learned to find and group with others that grows our egocentricity to ethnocentricity.  

i think dissent on topics has merit, even when there is disagreement, if each can appreciate the person behind the view.  We live in a world where others might have a contrary point of view. That "world" has always been,  but now we all have to figure out a way to live together with tech like nuclear weapons vs earlier times when we only had rocks to throw at each other.  So, to my original comments, the goals of: "peace, goodness, kindness, inclusion"  are all pursued in a process of sitting down with each other and attempting to communicate and connect... come close enough to center for all concerned vs simply imposing our version of "good" on another, where the national version of that can lead to things like war, death, destruction....  i think this involves our discussion in another thread What is the Answer/s  where you asked (and later modified) "Do you believe in the individual or the collective."  To which i responded  (essentially) that i see both as reality we have to deal with. 

i figure "centrist" is as good as it gets, and i see it as the ideal goal of democracy. Though, from where i sit, "center"  will be fluid and different because of our individuality, while collectively we might come  to a more centrist, 'inclusive' place to work from.