COVID vax passport vs other vax/test passport

[Cutedelicategay]

Human hypocrisy is at its height. Public opinion polls highlight the fact that majority of the western world population is either fully or partially supporting mandatory vaccines or vax passports or mandatory testing. 

As I had written earlier and got quite a bit of negative comments but what is the harm in rolling this mandatory testing/vax/passport for other infections? Every body reacts to the infections differently. Some may survive covid while others may not. Similarly some may develop complications from STIs and HIV while others may be cured or managed easily. 

Why such hypocrisy? At least in places where public sex is a possibility. It will keep the community safe just like COVID. 

As always please avoid negative comments and engage in civilized discussion only.

[FunCheerSlut]

All of the laws globally would have to change; I mean wouldn't they for any real progress and to avoid fear of any retribution or discrimination or worse? Culturally, our emphasis would have to be placed on ease of testing and making it available and to encourage knowledge of one's status versus shame and stigma and worse.

Hypocrisy exists when we cannot reconcile these things; it's part of the human condition.

[fskn]

There's nothing novel about requiring proof of COVID-19 vaccination for travel or other activities. Many countries require arriving passengers to show proof of yellow fever vaccination (ref: "yellow card"), and schools in many jurisdictions around the world require parents to provide proof that their children have been vaccinated against polio, whooping cough, etc.

We do have to be realistic about the limitations. Paper documents can easily be forged, and it's impossible to verify every item. Within one country or state, there might be a central, computerized vaccination registry, but it is bound to have data gaps. The goal is a high enough level of coverage that fake documents and missing or incomplete computer records don't put the overall population at risk. Between two countries or states, computerized vaccination registries have zero intercommunication.

When we go beyond routine vaccinations, there is no single source of truth. In the US, some STIs are still "notifiable", meaning that the laboratory or doctor's office has to report the positive result and the name of the patient to the CDC. Identifying numbers are not reportable, name matches are not perfect, and, as we realized decades ago when HIV testing was introduced, if providers insist on verifying peoples' identities, people aren't willing to get tested (ref: "anonymous" versus "confidential" HIV testing).

The US CDC's STI registry would be "garbage in, garbage out" if it were used to identify individuals. Unlike state vaccination registries, which schools, doctor's offices and local public health departments can query, the CDC's STI registry isn't designed to be queried for individual records.

And of course, negative test results are not registered centrally.

An individual sex partner, a play group, or a sex venue can request test results. (It's an error to say, in the US, that HIPAA precludes this; HIPAA established privacy rules for medical providers and insurers.) It would be myopic to assume that requesting test results protects people, though. In the absence of a centralized, individually queryable registry of negative test results, we're back to paper documents, which can't be verified.

Medically speaking, test results are about the past. Any test has a window period, during which recent infections won't be detected. For example, the best HIV diagnostic tests — PCR qualitative (yes/no rather than numeric) viral load tests — show infections that occurred several days before. Most people rely instead on cheaper tests that can detect an HIV infection within several weeks; older HIV tests (some still in use!) required months.

To the window period, add the time elapsed since the test was taken, and you really are looking at the past rather than the present. What good would it do to show an STI test result from 3 months or 1 year ago? (These are typical testing frequencies, 3 months being the US requirement for sexually active men who have sex with men and who take PrEP.)

With all these pitfalls, requiring test results would provide a false sense of security. Much better for sex partners to openly discuss their sexual health practices, testing habits, and so on, and for sex venues to encourage more, and more frequent, STI testing (which they often do by partnering with public health departments or non-profit agencies that offer weekly or monthly pop-up clinics).

Edited August 19, 2021 by fskn
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[cwhatley]

you can get a fake one if you know where to ask

[BootmanLA]

10 hours ago, pigicorn said:

you can get a fake one if you know where to ask

You can, yes, if you are a shitty human being willing to put others at risk in pursuit of a particular orgasm. 

[cwhatley]

3 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

You can, yes, if you are a shitty human being willing to put others at risk in pursuit of a particular orgasm. 

 

he said on a website that fetishizes aids 

[BootmanLA]

56 minutes ago, pigicorn said:

 

he said on a website that fetishizes aids 

Incorrect. In fact, fetishizing progressing to AIDS is *expressly* prohibited on this site, as per rules announced months ago by the site's owner.

[Guest]

On 8/18/2021 at 1:24 PM, Cutedelicategay said:

Human hypocrisy is at its height. Public opinion polls highlight the fact that majority of the western world population is either fully or partially supporting mandatory vaccines or vax passports or mandatory testing. 

As I had written earlier and got quite a bit of negative comments but what is the harm in rolling this mandatory testing/vax/passport for other infections? Every body reacts to the infections differently. Some may survive covid while others may not. Similarly some may develop complications from STIs and HIV while others may be cured or managed easily. 

Why such hypocrisy? At least in places where public sex is a possibility. It will keep the community safe just like COVID. 

As always please avoid negative comments and engage in civilized discussion only.

I don’t think it is human hypocrisy. It is the nature of this Covid virus that prompts us to take extreme measures. You cannot get STIs and HIV if you choose not to have sex. While this is no fun, it doesn’t kill you. However, you can catch Covid even when you are just talking to someone or simply standing next to someone if the other person has the virus.  Catching STIs and HIV doesn’t land you to the ICU in the hospital but catching Covid can and that creates a huge burden to our health care system if too many people who have Covid become sick enough. In many hospitals, their ICUs are almost in their full capacity already. Patients with other serious illness might not have access to ICU if it is full. We don’t want our health care system to collapse and it is for this reason that we need mandatory vaccination or testing or vax passports. 

[cwhatley]

9 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

Incorrect. In fact, fetishizing progressing to AIDS is *expressly* prohibited on this site, as per rules announced months ago by the site's owner.

lol

 

[Leather69]

Historically, when the early versions of the jumbo jet became the method of mass travel between countries (before that it was a long cruise eg 6 weeks Australia to London etc), there was a requirement that travelers had to be inoculated against smallpox. Later community diseases included polio, TB , measles etc. In later years a lot of countries require  yellow fever. Malaria tablets are also recommended for a lot of destinations. The requirement for inoculation against the chinese virus with a checkable card/site etc to travel is just something that we are going to have to put up with.  

[BootmanLA]

13 hours ago, pigicorn said:

lol

 

So the best you can do is a post from more than ten years ago, long before the rule in question was adopted? When the adoption of the rule made it clear that older content violating the new rule might take a while to clear? Lordy.

In any event, reading through the post, it refers to stealthing, which is not "promoting AIDS". Stealthing results in becoming HIV positive - a condition which, though at this time permanent, is treatable and manageable and need never progress to AIDS - which is a disease resulting from untreated HIV infection. You really ought to educate yourself better about the difference between the two.

It's expressly permissible, on Breeding Zone, to eroticize HIV infection. What's prohibited is fetishizing or eroticizing progression to AIDS.

[cwhatley]

On 8/21/2021 at 1:20 AM, BootmanLA said:

So the best you can do is a post from more than ten years ago, long before the rule in question was adopted? When the adoption of the rule made it clear that older content violating the new rule might take a while to clear? Lordy.

In any event, reading through the post, it refers to stealthing, which is not "promoting AIDS". Stealthing results in becoming HIV positive - a condition which, though at this time permanent, is treatable and manageable and need never progress to AIDS - which is a disease resulting from untreated HIV infection. You really ought to educate yourself better about the difference between the two.

It's expressly permissible, on Breeding Zone, to eroticize HIV infection. What's prohibited is fetishizing or eroticizing progression to AIDS.

usually balls move further than goalposts but not here it seems

 

Edited August 22, 2021 by pigicorn

[BootmanLA]

On 8/22/2021 at 4:41 AM, cwhatley said:

usually balls move further than goalposts but not here it seems

 

If by "goalposts" you mean "rules", of course rules change over time, If this is the first time you've encountered an online site changing its terms of service, you have led a sheltered life indeed.

Regardless, the rules are the rules.