Aren't Americans concerned by the loss of trust? (No visible reaction from the public?)

[hntnhole]

I've been wondering why the OP'er would have asked the initial question, which was "Aren't Americans concerned by the loss of trust? (no visible reaction from the public)"

Perhaps the reason the original poster asked this is because he lives elsewhere* - not in the US - and the broadcasters in his area may not be covering this issue in depth. 

The major media coverage of the mass protests is ubiquitous here - every newscast on every major channel carries video of hundreds and hundreds of protesters, most with hand-made protest signs, from very small towns to major metropolitan cities with thousands of protesters, also with their handmade signs.  

These protests are occurring daily, and from one end of the US to the other, ranging from many hundreds of people in small towns to many thousands in larger cities, from the Northern borders to the Southern.  From the Eastern boarders to the Western.  On a daily basis.  This kind of turnout to protest against the US Government's actions have never been seen before, rivaled only by the Peace Demonstrations during the Nam years.  

Americans are indeed very concerned about the loss of trust in our Government, the Leadership thereof, as well as numerous more focused causes.  Little old ladies, young kids, and everything in-between is out there every damn day protesting what's happening in the US Government.  

Most Americans have indeed lost trust in their Government, and are in the streets - in their thousands - on a daily basis - protesting the state of affairs in the US.  It may be that there are some supporters of the Administration that are also demonstrating somewhere, but Fox media can't afford to cover these other events.  Or won't.  If they even exist.  

One type of demonstration that I completely disagree with, are the attacks on Tesla cars.  The folks who bought Tesla's were trying to do the responsible thing, avoiding gasoline-powered cars in favor of electric cars, and none of us knew what a craven creature Musk was until quite recently.  It sounds to me like he's the one whose teetering on the brink of being sent to El Salvador.

*and perhaps not in a major population center in Europe; that isn't made clear (and I'm not saying it should be - only that he may not be aware of the more enormous, granular, daily events taking place daily in the US).  

 

[hntnhole]

4 hours ago, Erik62 said:

Donny Disaster LOOK STUPID which he absolutely HATES

And therein lies the crux of the problem.  The man is sorely lacking in mental acuity, yet presumes himself a self-proclaimed genius. He has failed at every business-venture he's attempted, he's lost many fortunes to his incompetence.  Everything he touches turns to shit.

That said, just like most con-men, he's captured the minds of many with his false promises, but the piper is dancing down the lane, coming to be paid soon.  It's the SCOTUS that I'm watching now.  It infamous two rabid Trumpies are standing alone now, and 2 to 7 isn't going to get Mr. T  anywhere. 

His inflated ego is going to also be the instrument of his destruction.  

[BlueSaphir]

Oh! I AM VERY concerned of my country well being. And the current world affairs viewing our tainted reputation. I would like to add this:

To our allies who felt betrayed and upset with current administration behavior. Do not make any amendments to heal your country wounds. Let the future government upon next election to work harder to GAIN Back your trust. 

Edited Wednesday at 06:54 AM by BlueSaphir

[allrise]

Living in the UK, I have been visiting NYC twice a year. Love the city and the men there. In the meantime, I will not be visiting as I don’t feel welcome by the government and its agents. I also prefer to spend my time and money in a less hostile place.

Meanwhile, my partner has changed his phone to a Korean brand and stopped buying anything deemed American, regardless of any rationale.

My neighbour’s American car, ‘T’, was vandalised, sprayed with red paint.

John Lennon’s song Imagine seems unreacheable.

[Erik62]

4 hours ago, BlueSaphir said:

Oh! I AM VERY concerned of my country well being. And the current world affairs viewing our tainted reputation. I would like to add this:

To our allies who felt betrayed and upset with current administration behavior. Do not make any amendments to heal your country wounds. Let the future government upon next election to work harder to GAIN Back your trust. 

An old saying, "Cutting off our noses, to spite our faces" is very valid when suggesting the style & degree of retribution that may be applied. Donny Disaster won by less than a 2.5%🤔??? margin. We CANNOT subject this 48% of non Trump voters to any High degree of invective & economic angst reducing their quality of life & aspirations at a greater level than Trump already has. As for that large cohort of Trump voters (conned by a "snake oil" salesman) they have & will lose even more. With the realisation of Trumps madness & EVERYTHING FALED POLICIES, they will need our support not opprobrium & this needs to begin now. 

    Take our anger, appropriate sanctions, political & economic payback out on Trump, his sycophantic followers, Musk, his empire & big business but we must not take actions that needlessly hurt the "little" people who will need every ounce of support: economic, political, co-operation & goodwill when the time comes to rebuild. We have not cast out the Israeli or Afghan people just because Netanyahu & the Taliban are the same snakes as Trump, so why are we using the "little American" as a whipping board for the disastrous Trump regime 🤔🤔🤔??? 

  

[BlueSaphir]

6 hours ago, Erik62 said:

An old saying, "Cutting off our noses, to spite our faces" is very valid when suggesting the style & degree of retribution that may be applied. Donny Disaster won by less than a 2.5%🤔??? margin. We CANNOT subject this 48% of non Trump voters to any High degree of invective & economic angst reducing their quality of life & aspirations at a greater level than Trump already has. As for that large cohort of Trump voters (conned by a "snake oil" salesman) they have & will lose even more. With the realisation of Trumps madness & EVERYTHING FALED POLICIES, they will need our support not opprobrium & this needs to begin now. 

    Take our anger, appropriate sanctions, political & economic payback out on Trump, his sycophantic followers, Musk, his empire & big business but we must not take actions that needlessly hurt the "little" people who will need every ounce of support: economic, political, co-operation & goodwill when the time comes to rebuild. We have not cast out the Israeli or Afghan people just because Netanyahu & the Taliban are the same snakes as Trump, so why are we using the "little American" as a whipping board for the disastrous Trump regime 🤔🤔🤔??? 

  

I think some Americans need to learn their own medicine of not to elect a con man that promises he will make cost of living affordable, “stop allowing other countries having unfair trade against the US”. I could go on…

[hntnhole]

On 4/19/2025 at 4:46 PM, hntnhole said:

100K+ demonstrations daily

First, a clarification of something that I stated poorly above:  There are not over one hundred thousand demonstrations daily here, but there are over 100 thousand Americans participating daily in demonstrations nationwide, in "red" states and "blue" states alike. 

To your current post, of course the US has wielded that "soft power" richly throughout the world, and for a long, long time.  That seems to be the nature of Nations that can get away with it, and from time immemorial.  Those nations that can, will.  The difference currently is, the implicit and active bias against other nations that has not been present before.  The Administration arguing that USAID should be cancelled because it's a waste of time and, of course, money, is an outrage against humanity.  Please don't ask why the Administration has done shit like this, since I cannot possibly come up with a reason.  It's not to save a fukkin dollar - that's certain. 

The Administration is peddling hatreds of long, long standing by a segment of Americans, who - for some reason - actually believe that their racial origins bestow some sort of superior status, compared to other Americans not of that same origin.  This has been the curse of this nation since the first invaders landed at Plymouth Rock, and it has yet to be dealt with.  There can be no dispute that Americans who are interested in restoring America to some semblance of it's former reputation simply must clear out this ancient curse of our nation.  Look carefully, deep down in between the cracks in the facade, and this is exactly what a seeker will find.  

On 4/19/2025 at 4:55 PM, TT2025 said:

I'm sure, US (its actual government) could have much of what it wants by just playing it nicely

Agreed.  But that's not the cause Mr. Trump wants;  he wants disruption, he wants to be the Dear Leader - worshipped as a savior by throngs of adoring idiots.  This is why his Cabinet is falling apart - barely weeks after being formed.  Hegseth - utterly, completely, totally unqualified to do anything other than be a Fox tv show host, installed as Sec'y of Defense ???  What more crystalline example could there be of the totally utterly depravity of the current resident of the White House?  "Playing nicely" is exactly what Mr. T doesn't want.  

 

On 4/19/2025 at 5:02 PM, jd13 said:

D'you not see the parallels or is it just me??

First, thanks for providing that most interesting link.  It's something I'd not known, but now I do, so thanks.  And yes, the parallels are impossible to miss. 

Actually, it's really pitiful how much Mr. T. craves attention, adoration.  Leaders of Nations know from the get-go that they don't need to be "loved", they need to be "obeyed".  It must be a terrible burden to bear, reaching almost eight decades of living, and failing at every worthwhile project he ever attempted.  He's become a parody of what he tried to hard to achieve.  

[hntnhole]

1 hour ago, BlueSaphir said:

I think some Americans need to learn their own medicine of not to elect a con man

At this point, I doubt anyoe would disagree - and we still have quite while to get through before he's gone.

[TT2025]

On 4/22/2025 at 9:42 PM, hntnhole said:

Perhaps the reason the original poster asked this is because he lives elsewhere* - not in the US - and the broadcasters in his area may not be covering this issue in depth. 

The major media coverage of the mass protests is ubiquitous here - every newscast on every major channel carries video of hundreds and hundreds of protesters, most with hand-made protest signs, from very small towns to major metropolitan cities with thousands of protesters, also with their handmade signs. 

I believe you, BUT I today actually spent an hour watching CNN, some recap on France24, and part of BBC World News America. My take from all this is as follows: 

White House bickering, Trump is going to install new (BIGGER) flagpoles on White House, Washington is doing the Kremlin's bidding, Pope is dead, Musk is going to spend more time doing whatever.. and no reaction from the public was shown. Well, BBC added something extra, which I decoded as: 'Washington wants Ukraine to secede Crimea to Russia'.

A while ago I saw some protesters in a news piece with a sign about Vance and skiing in jeans. Fun stuff 🙂 

Edited Wednesday at 09:51 PM by TT2025

[Erik62]

14 hours ago, TT2025 said:

I believe you, BUT I today actually spent an hour watching CNN, some recap on France24, and part of BBC World News America. My take from all this is as follows: 

White House bickering, Trump is going to install new (BIGGER) flagpoles on White House, Washington is doing the Kremlin's bidding, Pope is dead, Musk is going to spend more time doing whatever.. and no reaction from the public was shown. Well, BBC added something extra, which I decoded as: 'Washington wants Ukraine to secede Crimea to Russia'.

A while ago I saw some protesters in a news piece with a sign about Vance and skiing in jeans. Fun stuff 🙂 

  I honestly DID NOT BELIEVE that the EU practiced intense media censorship. From what you say, regarding the apparent poor quality news broadcasting, this will go against every standard the EU is built on.

  In Australia we have the ABC & SBS (both Fed government initiatives) who provide equal coverage of Trumps totally disastrous policies as well as the resulting civil demonstrations & unrest. The commercial channels, 7, 9, 10 & their subsidiaries also provide coverage of both sides.

  Barring censorship I can think of no reason for this lack of daily reporting of Trumps ACTIONS & the resulting REACTIONS of his opponents. The Democratic Party themselves are not yet forthcoming with any effective responses but the Civil responses have involved hundreds of thousands on multiple fronts. 

[BlueSaphir]

4 hours ago, Erik62 said:

  I honestly DID NOT BELIEVE that the EU practiced intense media censorship. From what you say, regarding the apparent poor quality news broadcasting, this will go against every standard the EU is built on.

  In Australia we have the ABC & SBS (both Fed government initiatives) who provide equal coverage of Trumps totally disastrous policies as well as the resulting civil demonstrations & unrest. The commercial channels, 7, 9, 10 & their subsidiaries also provide coverage of both sides.

  Barring censorship I can think of no reason for this lack of daily reporting of Trumps ACTIONS & the resulting REACTIONS of his opponents. The Democratic Party themselves are not yet forthcoming with any effective responses but the Civil responses have involved hundreds of thousands on multiple fronts. 

That why I am beyond frustrated with Democrats politicians. They can’t figure out to play dirty like republicans do. 

[hntnhole]

6 hours ago, Erik62 said:

The Democratic Party themselves are not yet forthcoming with any effective response

Yeah - it has been ever thus with the Dems.  Probably will continue until there's no more anything anymore too.  

 

1 hour ago, BlueSaphir said:

They can’t figure out to play dirty like republicans do

It's not that they can't - it's that they won't. 

It goes against the grain for virtually all Dems.  There's a strong sense of standing fast for core beliefs, and simply not bending on them.  Justice, equal rights before the law, regardless of race, national origin, etc etc. 

The shit the R's pull, is simply beneath most Democrats.  R's stand for restricting rights;  D's stand for expanding them.  

[TT2025]

10 hours ago, Erik62 said:

  I honestly DID NOT BELIEVE that the EU practiced intense media censorship. From what you say, regarding the apparent poor quality news broadcasting, this will go against every standard the EU is built on.

Don't think its about censorship (least not from EU).. The CNN was the US one (not one of those franchise offshoots). And BBC World service isn't practically EU anymore.

But its hard to handle watching news for prolonged time.. Made me sick to listen that the US stance is that the Russia made big concessions by agreeing not to take whole Ukraine. (Yep, that is the world we live in).

One wants to ask: What about returning Alaska to keep Vladimir happy?

Even The Guardian or New Yorker aren't big on protests about el presidente.

So don't know.. Are those protests you're talking about so big and consequential? (rhetoric question)

Edited 16 hours ago by TT2025

[Erik62]

8 hours ago, TT2025 said:

Don't think its about censorship (least not from EU).. The CNN was the US one (not one of those franchise offshoots). And BBC World service isn't practically EU anymore.

But its hard to handle watching news for prolonged time.. Made me sick to listen that the US stance is that the Russia made big concessions by agreeing not to take whole Ukraine. (Yep, that is the world we live in).

One wants to ask: What about returning Alaska to keep Vladimir happy?

Even The Guardian or New Yorker aren't big on protests about el presidente.

So don't know.. Are those protests you're talking about so big and consequential? (rhetoric question)

That is an excellent question but one of the answers, I can think of, is incredibly terrifying & soul destroying to both the US & the entire Western world as a whole.

1) The pictures of the mass rallies / demonstrations, packed & VERY angry (against Trump, Musk & Republicans in general) Town Hall meetings & the continual interviews with political experts (almost always anti-Trump) that are widely shown on most forms of news media, in Australia 🇦🇺 are a gross subtefuge & propaganda exercise that will benefit - WHO🤔🤔🤔??? OR

2) The government currently insitu is so arrogant & confident in their Messianic beliefs of control & subjugation that they cannot see any possible deterrent powerful enough to crush their journey into the Holy Hell of Trump. 

    On the positive side (probably not exactly clear at the moment), I prefer to believe that if there is one mass demo of a hundred thousand, one Town Hall meeting, one expert speaking out then the result will be an exponential growth in civil voices of anger. Paul Revere & his "co-conspirators", the Russian & French Revolutions, Vietnam & almost certainly within the near future, Israel were/are not politician led voices of anger.         The inevitable changes came from THE PEOPLE. It probably won't be the actual Democratic politicians who induce action for change. This will come from the Democrat & sensible, logical & LOYAL TO COUNTRY Republicans who, IN UNITY, will provide the impetus for the downfall & with his criminal actions almost certainly trial & punishment of Trump & his revolting, gutless & power grabbing IDIOTS. I do hope, however, that the citizens of the US, this time around, do not take the same amount of time & bloodshed that it took for the people to rise up in the previously mentioned revolutions. 

[nanana]

15 hours ago, BlueSaphir said:

They can’t figure out to play dirty like republicans do. 

13 hours ago, hntnhole said:

It goes against the grain for virtually all Dems.  There's a strong sense of standing fast for core beliefs, and simply not bending on them.  Justice, equal rights before the law, regardless of race, national origin, etc etc. 

Not probably too surprisingly, I have a different view of this. While I share some of the folks’ concerns about what I think Trump’s unconstitutional actions against free speech (e.g., deporting “anti-Zionists”), I would consider the ActBlue fraud, the almost treasonous efforts by Democrat superdelegates and Nina Jankowicz to encourage Europe to shut down free speech via the Digital Services Act, and the self-enrichment of Democratic leaders and their families on a par with any accusations the Democrats make about Republicans.  In one aspect, I recognize the Democratic Party that huntnhole describes, but only in the ideals it espouses and not in its actual performance, which is appallingly corrupt. I look forward to the day when Democrats are able to mount an honest critique of their ugly baby.