Joe Biden was an absolute freaking *disaster* for gay ppl

[harrysmith25]

He was and is too weird for previous "normal life" to continue. Normal culture and life on Jan 2020 included ppl consigning homophobia to the past.

 

But so many people found him utterly terrible and they found it easy to believe he was elected by massive fraud, cause of his pitiful old man ways.

So the idea of someone getting in via illegitimate means, sends a message that you can start believing in your stupid shit again.

And with some others, his creepy old man demeanour made them mentally "run for the hills", and it makes some str8 people trying to go "back to basics" where they start huddling like a bunch of people in a farmstead or something, they can't have "extravagant things" like gays being free. Have you seen the number of people engaging in more casual homophobia over the years on Facebook. It gets more frequent now. And of course, he promoted Islam which is our friend like Hep C is our friend. 

 

Look, how is our culture supposed to be the same if people pretend this guy is "OUR BRILLIANT LEADER" when he's actually a fucking vegetable. It was bizarre.

 

Anyone is completely deluded if they think otherwise. Can anyone come up with an actual sound counterargument that isn't just "ME PRESS DELETE" or "ME PRESS BAN"?

Edited yesterday at 10:25 AM by harrysmith25

[nanana]

I am not following the “weird” part exactly, but I think you have a great point harrysmith25. I think most gay politics underestimates sound ECONOMICS as the real liberator for anyone not in the majority. Bidenomics with its massive inflation put everyone back into pie-shrinking mentality and less broad minded.  Whatever its merits, woke culture struck a lot of people as imposing fantasies and delusions on others who wanted no part of it. It’s not surprising there was a backlash. 

[SomewhereonNeptune]

3 hours ago, harrysmith25 said:

his creepy old man demeanour made them mentally "run for the hills"

For the benefit of our UK listeners, Biden recently did an interview on Radio 4 in which he said about walking away, "it was a difficult decision". Your picture shows it was difficult for him to walk anywhere. The media tried to brush that off, but it all unraveled when it came to his debate performance. After being gaslit for years that Biden's "the best Biden we've ever seen" (credit: Joe Scarborough), we all saw it. Stevie Wonder could have seen it. And used to their profit later in first lying to us, then capitalizing on it by writing tell-alls to the effect of 'How I knew Biden's mental faculties were slipping and kept quiet so I could profit by writing a book, but you can trust me'. 😉

3 hours ago, harrysmith25 said:

And of course, he promoted Islam which is our friend like Hep C is our friend. 

This is what people fail to realize. "Trans for Palestine". Do they understand that Muslims will actually throw queer people off roofs? I'm not meaning this to sound Islamophobic, but that Biden was ineffective in resolving the Israel/Palestine conflict and wavered in thinking should cause many to give pause.

2 hours ago, nanana said:

I think most gay politics underestimates sound ECONOMICS as the real liberator for anyone not in the majority...Whatever its merits, woke culture struck a lot of people as imposing fantasies and delusions on others who wanted no part of it. It’s not surprising there was a backlash. 

The prior administration spent like crazy, but when you look to find various items that were the outcome of the spending, they're difficult to find. $1.2 Trillion on an infrastructure bill. Buttegieg didn't do much with it when you consider that only 8 electric vehicle charging ports were ever built, and no investment was made into the very aging air traffic control system that people now blame on the administration that had been in power a short time when the DCA airport crash occurred. Buttegieg had 4 years, but does anyone go back and say "why didn't you address..."? We have short memories and want a throat to choke that's currently in power. That's human nature. 

I actually found an infrastructure bill project in the Orlando area last year: It was recurbing a corner for ADA compliance. The sign for it looked to be the largest cost to that project. And by saying that I'm not making light of the physically challenged, but to tout a $1.2 trillion spending act to small things like this when we needed very major overhauls? It's like worrying about a small pothole when the entire bridge ahead has collapsed.

There was a lot of emphasis placed on identity politics, subjects like "minor attracted persons", trans athletes in women's sports, and a variety of other causes that weren't meaningful to Americans who were struggling under massive inflation and a sagging job market. As another Democrat, Bill Clinton, once said, "it's the economy, stupid". Americans just want to know we're not spending into a chasm and transparency on where our taxes go would be a bonus.

3 hours ago, harrysmith25 said:

Can anyone come up with an actual sound counterargument that isn't just "ME PRESS DELETE" or "ME PRESS BAN"?

People may not like everything that Trump does. I'm no exception. I even liked Bill Clinton.  But I agree with @harrysmith25 that people will probably downvote these posts and suggest that we're all watching Fox News or wearing tinfoil hats (we aren't). But Americans would rather swallow hard and endure some trolling to focus on important things that matter to us than four more years of what I'll kindly call 'elder abuse'. I wish him reasonable health AND a pleasant retirement.

[nanana]

@harrysmith25 since I first wrote, I revisited the Biden admin and have to concede how quickly I forgot the demented things he’d say, the babies he’d sniff, and the puttering on stage that he did, so concede your point about the weirdness

[SomewhereonNeptune]

5 hours ago, nanana said:

I forgot the demented things he’d say, the babies he’d sniff, and the puttering on stage that he did, so concede your point about the weirdness

And who could ever forget, "Corn pop was a bad dude" or "I have hairy legs". (ahem)
[think before following links] https://youtu.be/oqiOeiG4VNo?si=-z6IhhZDIb8iLqFV

I wish I had an answer to why he seemed to always be sniffing people's hair, but on so many occasions he simply seemed lost. I have a non-verbal autistic relative who associates by smell. When I'd visit him, he'd walk up to people to smell them and if he recognized them by that, he'd be ok with you being there. While that is likely not the case with Biden, you have to wonder about whether that is something psychological at play.

And too, too many things were chalked off as "Joe being Joe", such as his racist comments (the one about "if you aren't voting for me, you aren't black" on Charlemagne the God's radio show, or 'in order to walk into a convenience store you need to have a slight Indian accent'), but let's be honest, the treatment of those by the media we know would be completely different if President Trump were to say the same thing. 

[ellentonboy]

Despite all of his flaws, if people think Biden was a terrible president when it came to his treatment of gay people, just wait till Trump starts moving along.

You can bet he’ll concentrate on having gay marriage repealed.  He’ll get his henchmen from the Supreme Court to do that for him.

I admit “Sleepy Joe” made a lot of mistakes and some of his comments were indeed “cringe” worthy, but I don’t believe he was an evil person.

Just watch in the coming weeks how Trump and Vance will try and get on the good side of the new Pope and use every tweet he posted over the years and try to convince Americans that the Pope wants all gays sent to some gulag.  Pope Leo may not be our friend but Trump and Vance are on a mission, you can count on that.

[SomewhereonNeptune]

4 hours ago, ellentonboy said:

Despite all of his flaws, if people think Biden was a terrible president when it came to his treatment of gay people, just wait till Trump starts moving along.

You can bet he’ll concentrate on having gay marriage repealed.  He’ll get his henchmen from the Supreme Court to do that for him.

I'm not sure I buy into that. Foremost, he hired Scott Bessent as his Treasury Secretary, and he's openly gay. He also had kind things to say yesterday about a gay couple, though he wasn't complementary on the job one of them did. He didn't use comments on his view of Buttigieg's performance to throw shade at their child and relationship and said it was a "nice family". Now he may be echoing the sentiment of many that there are only 2 sexes as defined by chromosomes, but that doesn't mean that we'd necessarily take giant leaps backwards in human rights to begin restricting existing rights.

(I know someone will probably bring up abortion, and there's a difference there in terms of whether that should be restricted. Trump has already cited the Florida 6-week limit as "too restrictive", proposing that 13-weeks is a better target)

The other thing about Cardinal Prevost/Pope Leo XIV is that he follows in alignment with Francis, by whom he was appointed. We're both Catholic, so we know that the pendulum of the Church swings rather slowly. If he follows Francis (as with the other 108 Cardinals Francis appointed), I've no doubt the Church will swing toward a more liberal approach to LGBTQIA issues, but it'll likely stop short of female priests and gay marriage. If you want that, try Episcopalian. 😉

[nanana]

I’m Episcopalian. We have high church and gay bishops to boot, though the Arch Bishop of Canterbury struggles to keep those of different moral views under one tent. 

[ellentonboy]

1 hour ago, SomewhereonNeptune said:

I'm not sure I buy into that. Foremost, he hired Scott Bessent as his Treasury Secretary, and he's openly gay. He also had kind things to say yesterday about a gay couple, though he wasn't complementary on the job one of them did. He didn't use comments on his view of Buttigieg's performance to throw shade at their child and relationship and said it was a "nice family". Now he may be echoing the sentiment of many that there are only 2 sexes as defined by chromosomes, but that doesn't mean that we'd necessarily take giant leaps backwards in human rights to begin restricting existing rights.

(I know someone will probably bring up abortion, and there's a difference there in terms of whether that should be restricted. Trump has already cited the Florida 6-week limit as "too restrictive", proposing that 13-weeks is a better target)

The other thing about Cardinal Prevost/Pope Leo XIV is that he follows in alignment with Francis, by whom he was appointed. We're both Catholic, so we know that the pendulum of the Church swings rather slowly. If he follows Francis (as with the other 108 Cardinals Francis appointed), I've no doubt the Church will swing toward a more liberal approach to LGBTQIA issues, but it'll likely stop short of female priests and gay marriage. If you want that, try Episcopalian. 😉

Time will tell, but you don't think he will bring gay marriage to the attention of the Supreme Court? I truly think it is on his radar.  I'd like your opinion on my statement.  Do you think he will, in the next fort years, not try to overturn gay marriage?  I'm a betting man, I think he will push that agenda to appeal to his base.  I know the Supreme Court will have the final say, but still, Trump will be behind it, imho.