Charlie Kirk

[hntnhole]

First, I will confess that I'd never heard of him before his tragic death.  Thus, I am unfamiliar with his message(s), or his points of view.   

What I am familiar with, however, is the fact that murdering people one doesn't agree with, politically, philosophically, religiously, what-ever-ly. is never, ever the answer.  Apparently, as I've learned in the major-media coverage, his message was crisp, sometimes blunt, but never calling for blood.  Yet, that's what some deranged kid answered with.  

How is it that some of us arrive at that answer?  Silencing the opposition?  Actually murdering someone we disagree with?  Varying points of view can - and should be - vigorously debated in our country, and there's nothing wrong - and everything right about that.  

I'm not a doctor, I'm not a psychotherapist, nor competent to clinically comment on whatever is wrong in that regard.  Surely, however, we can all agree to condemn murder as though that could ameliorate any political situation.  

I did notice, however, that the little man that runs the US Governmental Agency regarding events like these, held up the press conference for hours until his plane from DC managed to get to Utah, so his face could be included in the officials present at the press conference.   

[Pozzible]

You should seek out some of the things Kirk said. 

I absolutely agree that violence is never an appropriate response.

[Poz50something]

8 hours ago, hntnhole said:

First, I will confess that I'd never heard of him before his tragic death.  Thus, I am unfamiliar with his message(s), or his points of view.   

 

How is it that some of us arrive at that answer?  Silencing the opposition?  Actually murdering someone we disagree with?  Varying points of view can - and should be - vigorously debated in our country, and there's nothing wrong - and everything right about that.  

I'm not a doctor, I'm not a psychotherapist, nor competent to clinically comment on whatever is wrong in that regard.  Surely, however, we can all agree to condemn murder as though that could ameliorate any political situation.  

I did notice, however, that the little man that runs the US Governmental Agency regarding events like these, held up the press conference for hours until his plane from DC managed to get to Utah, so his face could be included in the officials present at the press conference.   

here's one LOVELY point of view that Kirk espoused 

He also lashed out at the gay community, denouncing what he called the “LGBTQ agenda,” expressing opposition to same-sex marriage and suggesting that the Bible verse Leviticus 20:13, which endorses the execution of homosexuals, serves as “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”....just in case you were unaware,  Leviticus 20:13 states 

3 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads..

So in other words, Kirk was asking for you, personally, to be put to death because you are gay...never mind that there were laws against eating shellfish, or using cotton and poly blend clothes. I am not mourning his death.  

[Pozzible]

Gift article from NYT

[think before following links] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.l08.e8j2.e7ncM3BMZPdO&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

[hntnhole]

Of ancillary interest:

Recent reporting in the major media has it that the murderer is one of us:  he and his trans "boy-cum-girlfriend" (unclear at what stage of the transformation is presently), suggests that Kirk's anti-gay pronouncements were at least a part of the killers motivation.  It's too early to be definitive about all of this, other than to say - yet again - that harming others, let alone killing others - is simply not ok. 

Even if any of this turns out to be true, it will none the less give license to those who hate us to further denigrate our very existence. 
 

[PozBearWI]

Can  we suffice to say that the killer isn't "one of us" either?  

[hntnhole]

On 9/14/2025 at 1:46 AM, Poz50something said:

Leviticus 20:13

This truly ancient book (third book in the Old Testament) dates from around 1400 BCE with parts to perhaps as late as the 3rd Century BCE.  

Interesting as a historical collection of documents, it reflects the needs of the then-nomadic Tribes as they wandered the Levant.  

Certainly of historic interest, but relevancy to our modern world is perhaps questionable.  Anyone can reach back into the distant past to find quotations that serve their own interests.  I am certainly not denigrating the value of these ancient beliefs, but we have advanced considerably in our systems of government, our knowledge of science, human sexuality, etc.  

Killing people who are different than ourselves is simply not excusable, and that goes both ways.  What the shooter did is inexcusable, as is excusing hatreds via ancient texts.  What was "wisdom" thousands of years ago is, of course, interesting, but we have progressed far beyond those ancient hatreds, haven't we?

[hntnhole]

For me, sure.   

For those who believe we should all suffer Kirk's fate, maaaaybe. 

[hntnhole]

23 minutes ago, PozBearWI said:

Can  we suffice to say that the killer isn't "one of us" either?  

For me, sure.  

For the "kill the queers" crowd, I wonder .... 

[PozBearWI]

2 minutes ago, hntnhole said:

For me, sure.   

For those who believe we should all suffer Kirk's fate, maaaaybe. 

Certainly a more productive POV @hntnhole.  And indeed those who believe offing those with whom they disagree are definitely THE killer's group.  Sadly Liberals and MAGAs (formerly known as Republicans) each have some of the killer group in them.  So far the scorecard favors MAGA for assassins.  But if we wind up in a full on Civil war obviously that idea goes off the table.

It has occurred to me that maybe that is Donnie's vision, to the degree it might be a vision, that is, getting the nobel peace prize for ending the war he started?  The man is a  sink hole of need.

[hntnhole]

1 minute ago, PozBearWI said:

The man is a  sink hole of need.

May I borrow that quote ???   PLEASE ????????????????

[PozBearWI]

The description of "the dementors" Rowling used in her Harry Potter series seems to be an apt description for Donnie.  

[PozBearWI]

3 minutes ago, hntnhole said:

May I borrow that quote ???   PLEASE ????????????????

Yes, and can we get a law passed that this is he moniker going forward?  We can of course simplify that to SHON

And to my friends Shawn, Sean, Shyawn; sorry homonyms just are...

[hntnhole]

Gotta run .... PAX .....