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20 minutes ago, PozBearWI said:

CRAP.  How is this being enforced by the states @rawTOP.  I need to assess my own risk with my site....

Most of the states have taken the approach of letting civilians sue the sites for “harm” to their kid.  But some have gone further and are more draconian. 

On 6/16/2025 at 3:46 AM, BadBob214 said:

Does anyone know if this 'Blocking' will affect Ireland?

Ireland is a completely different country, so no. The reason some states are affected which shouldn’t be is because states sometimes share IPs. Countries don’t share IPs AFAIK. 

On 6/23/2025 at 1:19 PM, Justyn said:

They probably are.

BoyfriendTV, Hamster, Squirt, PornHub, Gayboystube, and about 32 more 

Naturally, NO credit card assigned, but some ask for age verification by checking the usual box and most are certainly more graphic than here.

Again, of all of them, none are blocked.

Companies that are registered abroad and have no business presence in the US often ignore US law just as I ignore laws in places like Uganda (though I do block Uganda). 

The Supreme Court ruled a few days ago in support of Texas’ age verification law. This means that all the legal challenges of AV laws are basically dead. Age verification will continue and may get worse. 

In reading the commentary on a porn industry discussion board it seems SCOTUS has created a distinction between “obscenity” and “obscene for children”. That’s a big problem. All conservative states have to do now is make laws of what they think is harmfully obscene for kids and all sorts of content can be restricted - such as all LGBT content. 

Others in the industry think a federal AV law is next. At that point I’ll need to block the entire US. And with the UK being blocked soon - that would be an existential crisis for the site.

There’s some debate in the industry as to whether the <33% rule (that protects social media) will stand with the new “obscene for children” concept - if it’s obscene how can it ever be OK?

If you’ve voted Republican in the past 10 years - all of this is on you…

On 5/29/2025 at 9:53 PM, Splitcock said:

Will you make this site as VPN friendly as you can for us considering the free vpns take ages to load. 

The site is hosted in Detroit. Choose a VPN location near there to have the lowest latency.

If there's one group of you who's the biggest pain in the ass - it's exposure fetish guys…

So, going forward, all exposure fetish content must be posted in the new Exposure Fetish section…

https://breeding.zone/forum/445-exposure-fetish/

The section is only visible to logged in members (not Google).

Read the pinned post in the section before posting.

On 4/10/2025 at 5:34 AM, Knightfalconer said:

It appears that anyone who can afford a VPN can bypass the blocking and need not worry.

For the rest of us, (no matter how long you've been a member, nor how much you've contributed to the site) its 'Thanks for coming, but you're no longer welcome here'.

To be clear - I'm blocking the UK under duress. You are very welcome here. But the government that you (plural) elected is forcing me to block your country. That is an issue on your end - not on mine. Be mad at your politicians and fellow citizens for voting them into power.

Today is Breeding Zone’s 15th birthday! I just want to thank all of you for keeping it going with your posts 👍

On 3/25/2025 at 8:21 PM, Knightfalconer said:

Fair enough.

What about the query concerning whether existing UK profiles will be deleted or frozen?

I have no clue who's in the UK, so no…

On 3/7/2025 at 12:30 AM, Knightfalconer said:

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Simply banning all 'GB' will not work I'm afraid. Its more complicated than that.

Although the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man are not part of the UK, the International Organisation for Standardisation (ISO), the international body dedicated to promoting international standards), codes them all under "GB-". You may wish to consult SO 3166-2:GB - (the coding system that gives geocodes to administrative divisions of the United Kingdom and the aforementioned islands). 

 

Finally, does anyone know if a copy of the site (as last updated before the ban) will still be available via the 'wayback machine'?

The data I'm using is a 2 character code. So not using the standard you mention.

There are no registrations for "BBTopUK", so sign up again.

That said, the site software connects to an external service to determine if someone may cause problems and then denies them the ability to sign up. But typically there's an error message they did that you didn't mention, so I don't know what's happening in your case. (And for future reference - I never override the determination of the external service.)

It may be your email provider - some won't deliver BZ emails. I know we've had problems with Microsoft in the past (they own Hotmail), not sure about if they're still a problem.

On 2/10/2025 at 7:51 AM, Knightfalconer said:

Site admit will (if not already), need to be aware of the fact that the law being brought in only applies to the UK. It does not apply to three nearby populated islands, which non-Brits might not appreciate.

The Crown Dependencies[c] are three offshore island territories in the British Islands that are self-governing possessions of the British Crown. Guernsey and Jersey, (both located in the English Channel and together known as the Channel Islands), and the Isle of Man (in the Irish Sea. Access from these location should continue.

I’ll be blocking country code GB. The places you mention have their own country codes. Before July I’ll confirm that those country codes are being used. 

Just a heads up that if the site changes it's look dramatically not to be concerned. The software that runs the site will be getting a major version update. I won't upgrade to the initial new version - I'll wait a couple, but it will happen at some point in the next few months. When that happens…

• The look of the site will change somewhat (not sure how much)
• You will no longer be able to login with your user name - you'll need to use your email address
• "Status updates" will no longer be supported (e.g. the twitter like messages that are in the sidebar of the home page)
• There will be changes to the tagging system.
• The "editor" you use to add messages to threads will change.
• You'll see "..." when someone is typing a new message, and then it will appear without needing to refresh.
• (and other changes)

I'll post in this thread just before the upgrade. I will probably wait until late April to do the upgrade…

On 2/1/2025 at 11:48 AM, Thoron said:

For whatever reason I'm in Colorado on cell network, AT&T/Consumer Cellular and I'm getting directed to MalePrime saying that in Utah. I haven't had issue with this for close to 9 or 10 months and this is cropping up again. Did someone muck with the site adminsettings or something? 

Cell networks are the most  likely to juggle IP addresses around, so not surprising.

On 2/2/2025 at 3:11 PM, Thoron said:

The further the question, why is ISP address being used? Cant towers and GPS be used? The current method works for PCs, but mobile device users are being punished. I'm in Ouray Colorado but AT&T/ConsumerCellular is pushing it through an IP that's claiming I'm in Salt Lake City Utah which I have never stepped foot in or driven through. There needs to be a better way to determine location if you care that much about the site and thr user base.

Websites have to request lat/long AFTER the page loads. AND it doesn't really work on anything but mobile, AND the USER has to be OK with giving the website pretty much their precise location. That isn't a solution that will work in 90% of the cases. If I had more time/energy I'd write some code to let mobile users exempt their IP AFTER the initial redirect to Male Prime, but I don't have the time/energy at the moment.

A few updates…

I started a separate thread about it, but the UK will be blocked come July. 

@viking8x6 is right - prostitution is defined so broadly in Florida that it includes porn production (except maybe content swaps between creators where no money is exchanged). Porn isn’t illegal, and distributing porn isn’t illegal - just paying the models is illegal. 

And @BootmanLA is correct - it’s unclear what SCOTUS will do. On the negative side even one of the liberal justices started with the assumption that kids need to be protected (not with the assumption that free speech needs to be protected). On the other hand it’s not clear that Texas will get an outright win. More likely is something in the middle which is still a loss for free speech.

FSC is not happy that they only got a half hour to present. I may hit up one of the board members because they seem to now be looking for examples that aren’t traditional porn sites - and community sites like this are good examples of AV being unworkable. At the same time, I don’t want the attention that would come with a mention in a high profile court case. 

Sadly what’s happening in red states is not isolated to red states. UK’s Ofcom has issued really strict guidelines for implementation of the child protection act. The cost to comply makes compliance impossible. And, while I have no business presence in the UK, the legal ties between the US and the UK are close and I’d rather not risk the rather hefty fines (£18M). 

Unlike what red states are doing it looks like this will affect social media like X and Telegram since it doesn’t have the exemption for less than 1/3rd adult content. So I expect this to be a major news story in the coming months.

Oh, and the block should work better than the red state block since it’s an entire country (countries don’t exchange IP addresses like states do). 

Lastly… Voting matters! Don’t just sit there and complain. 

Good News: A judge blocked the Tennessee law that would have also gone into effect yesterday. (A nice win thanks to FSC).

Bad News: Florida has now been added to the block list.

Related to that - even porn production is illegal in Florida (and has been for a while).

And a reminder that we'll have a better idea of where all this is headed end of day on the 15th after the Supreme Court hears FSC v Paxton.

Look at your profile page

20 minutes ago, PozTalkAuthor said:

Eager to know about "plan B" if necessary, I think we should consider Fediverse. Friendica is charmingly interesting, but it has a huge issue: a unique developer working in it! 

What I think after all the tears of this morning even here in Europe... 

Now, more than ever, COMMUNITY matters. We must take initiatives on our own and act together, decreasing divisions between us. Because authoritary governments can BUY the law and turn the world as they want, but only communities know their own needs and only united we can survive. Defeat the dragon is not guaranteed but at least avoid its shots or limit its damages.

The Fediverse / ActivityPub / Mastodon won’t work because the content can be blocked by other instances and because the content will be on a server that can be shut down by unfriendly governments. 

Nostr would fix that. Its design is virtually censorship-proof. But adopting it for this community will take thought and energy. 

IMPORTANT UPDATE!

For starters…

• Oklahoma has been added to the block list (their law went into effect November 1st), and…
• If you're using Apple Private Relay you may need to turn it off since it doesn't route through a local IP when you tell it to. (I encounter problems from NYC.)

But neither of those is as important as the update on the Free Speech Coalition lawsuit…

Oral arguments in Free Speech Coalition v Paxton, the Texas age-verification case, have been scheduled to take place on January 15, 2025 before the U.S. Supreme Court. Free Speech Coalition and co-plaintiffs are represented by the American Civil Liberties Union and Quinn Emmanuel Urquhart & Sullivan, LLP.

What that means is that some time this spring (as late as June) SCOTUS will render a decision which could (best case) invalidate all the laws which are forcing me to implement these blocks. But they could also uphold the law - which is a worst case scenario. We'll know A LOT more end of day on January 15 - after the oral arguments are done. Hopefully the justices' questions and comments will hint which way they're leaning.

While you may be expecting the worst - when it comes to free speech issues - conservatives can surprise you. The core argument is that age verification is highly intrusive and not particularly effective (given VPNs) and there are less intrusive ways that would achieve a result that's as good or better. So fingers crossed.

Either way - I'm beginning to think about a Plan B. With yesterday's election results, communities like this will be under increasing attack.

Looks like the site was down for ~5 hrs. (oops!) Turns out I forgot to renew my (DDOS-protected) DNS hosting… I just renewed it for 2 years, so that won't happen again anytime soon.

If you want to read one of the amicus briefs for the Supreme Court case, here’s one…

https://myadultattorney.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/23-1122-EFF-Amicus-Brief.pdf

That one is a combo effort by EFF and Woodhull - both are great organizations!

This should be fixed as of yesterday. Sorry. It amounted to a dumb oversight. 

Please try again. I think I may have fixed it, but not sure.

The 6th Circuit has overturned the stay in Indiana, so in a moment I'll be blocking Indiana. The court's logic was "weird"…

• Yes, age verification is probably unconstitutional
• But because the Supreme Court allowed a similar law to be enforced pending appeal, we'll let the Indiana law to be enforced.
• Meanwhile the case is on hold until SCOTUS rules on the Texas case

There were a few weeks when my server got on one (of many) block lists. If your mail provider uses that block list you would have been affected. It looks like it started around July 19th and was resolved the first week of August. But it looks like the server got blacklisted again a couple days ago. I've submitted a request to get off, but need to look into how it's happening. Hopefully I can find some time the next day or so to pour over a mail log and look for things that are suspicious.

Anyway, email sent during a block doesn't get resent. It just never gets to you. So in the case of registration, you'll need to re-register.