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Just so you guys know… I'm continuing to tweak the algorithm that's banning some of your IP addresses. Things that are typical of problem users put you on a really short leash. Things that are typical of good users increase what I let you do on the site before your activity looks too suspicious and I ban you. One of the most important things is to not block reCAPTCHA. I can't stress that enough. I use Google's reCAPTCHA v3 – it operates behind the scenes and tells me how likely it is that you're a bot. Bots know not to load reCAPTCHA (thinking no score is better than a bad score), so if you don't load it, then you look like a bot and you'll trip the algorithm very quickly and get banned. If your privacy controls block reCAPTCHA, then whitelist it. Otherwise you'll probably eventually get banned. If you do get banned, try again in 3-4 days. Most of the time the ban period is pretty short.

So your IP address is banned. I’m locking this topic since it’s attracting discussion that has nothing to do with the original problem.

Then it's not the same problem… How are you access the site now? Why do you think it's something other than a banned IP address?

As I said above… if it's a 302 redirect, I need to know what URL is being redirected and what it's trying to redirect to. I can't diagnose "I'm having the same issue". The issue was never clearly defined.

Not right now. But that will be possible on the sites I'm building. Just out of curiosity… How large are your video files? (I may have to increase the max upload size on my server.)

Your IP address might be banned… I've got some ideas in mind to make that situation better, but won't be able to work on them for a few weeks. Though I did already start working on something related, but it's not done yet.

When you click on the chat link, it passes your session ID here to the chat site. The chat site then looks up that session ID and validates it based on your IP address. Those are the two values in the error message you specified. In looking over the code, I did find one minor problem, but I don't know if it was the source of your problem. I had `id`=? AND `ip_address`=? when it should have been `id` LIKE ? AND `ip_address` LIKE ? Though I doubt that's the source of the problem. Another possible scenario is that you're on a cellular network that is frequently changing your IP addresses. So you start the session here on one IP, but by the time you go into chat you're on a different IP. In that case chat is correct not to let you in because to chat it appears you're a hacker who's stolen someone's session ID. If that's the problem, the way to get around that problem is to logout, login, and then go as quickly as practical into chat (before your network can change your IP). I keep promising a new chat system, and it really is pretty high on my to-do list. It's just I had to migrate servers before I wanted to, and now I'm having to deal with all the other stuff that's brought up (email issues, and a few other things that now have to get done by a certain date). So I'll get to chat as soon as those things are resolved – probably early next month. 🤞

I've written something to clean up all the problem emails. So you may start seeing warnings that you need to update your email address. I was getting a lot of bounce notifications because quite a few of you had emails that went bad over the past 10 years. Either you stopped using the email that you used to sign up (a hard bounce), or your email inbox is full (a soft bounce). There are so many bad emails that if I did a mass email I'd get massacred because the various mail services would hate me for sending a lot of bad emails all at once. So I'm just going to discover them as they trickle out through "transactional" emails – for example if someone emails you through the site, or if you signed up for email notifications for threads, and those threads update. Hard bounces require you to revalidate your email address. Soft bounces simply turn off emails for a while and if they continue then they turn into a hard bounce. There is a third type of problem – if your email provider doesn't like us for some reason. Those will be handled as soft bounces. There are a quite a few different email blacklists. Those tend to be the reason why email providers decide they don't like us. I'll be monitoring them and trying to get off them if my server gets listed. I encountered one today that's affecting email to lycos.com and mailcity.com. I caught it pretty quickly so I think we're fine now. But the good part is that I'll now know about those problems pretty quickly. In addition, anyone who's banned from the site for 8 weeks or more will have their email address hard bounced, so when they come back to the site they'll need to revalidate their email. If you see a notification that you need to validate your email when you go into chat – that's a separate database and validations here don't count there. For now, don't worry about those messages – I'm still working on that system. And lastly, I 'm also monitoring the percentage of emails that get marked as spam on GMail. Apparently the threshold you need to stay below is 0.5%. In the last week I've just had one day above 0% and it was 0.2%, so we're fine there for now as well. If you want to help, mark Breeding Zone emails as "not spam" whenever you have the opportunity, especially if you're on one of the big mail providers like GMail, Yahoo!, or Outlook.

^^^ this ^^^ looks like a great risk reduction strategy. (The anal bottoms – not the oral bottoms.) Everyone's droplets stay on their side of the wall. Maybe put some walls up between the bottoms to further contain things. And then showers for everyone as they leave.

I've turned off the DDoS protection. I'll turn it back on if we ever get a DDoS attack, but I can't see using it when there isn't an active attack. It should be off for everyone within ~5 minutes. I'm also waiting to hear from tech support to see if they have some convincing argument for keeping it on. Yeah, I could run it with fewer restrictions, but in that case, why bother running it at all? During an attack I don't mind a little inconvenience, but don't see the point when there's no actual problem.

I disagree. As I stated initially I interact with very few people, and don’t interact with any high risk folks on a regular basis. Ethics, more often than not, is about choosing of the lesser evil. Having grown up in a fundamentalist “just say no” environment — that’s not the answer. Or, put another way, is life worth living if you deny yourself basic pleasures? As the article about the Dutch pointed out, we’re biologically programmed to need/want sex. The ethical choice in this situation is to not overindulge — to partake just enough to satisfy the need and have live a life that feels like it’s worth living. You also need to consider the risk vis-à-vis other acceptable risks you take every day. For example, if you drive a car there's a chance you could kill someone. Do you stop driving your car? All things being equal, SUVs are far more likely to kill people than sedans. Do you shame your friends who've bought SUVs? If you hit someone at 20mph there's a 10% chance you'll kill them. At 30mph there's a 50% chance. At 40mph there's a 90% chance. Which speed is the acceptable speed to drive? I picked those examples because the harm is to another person. Yet those are all considered "acceptable risks". Thanks to our Puritan ancestors (of our culture, if not genetically) to judge things involving sex more harshly than things that don't involve sex. But how many people die each year from car crashes when the driver didn't really need to make the trip or was going faster than really necessary? How is that different than going on a hookup where there's a small chance you might infect someone else with COVID?

Please read the thread before posting!

That’s a very old issue. It should have nothing to do with the recent changes.

Fetish is actually one of the things that got people safely through the AIDS pandemic. Leather bars were super active hot spots. Flogging, mummification, piss, CBT, you name it… It was hot and kinky and pretty awesome. As much as I love breeding, I miss a good BDSM session.

I suspect I know what’s happening. I’ll talk to the tech guys about it tomorrow.

BTW… The Dutch government is suggesting people get fuck buddies… https://apple.news/AJRDeMOpmQbSI-YFPgU6rQQ Which is basically my point of getting a small group of trusted regulars. That will work for some, but not everyone. But every little but helps. [And AFAIK, the Dutch haven’t been very good about controlling COVID. In Europe I believe only the Swedes are worse…]

They thought you were doing a SQL injection attack. Why, I don't know. They though you were an "automated client" (a spider/bot). I've put in a ticket that mentioned both of the instances.

Did the post have links in it?

You're correct – chat uses a different database. The name you see is the name you had when you first used chat. I was working on syncing the data a few weeks ago but got disrupted by the server migration. It's high on my list of things to do because chat is getting a major restructure. There will be multiple chat rooms each with a different theme (bb breeding, poz fetish, etc.) each chat room will be on a different site and you'll be able to set up profiles on those sites. The profiles will actually be interlinked – it's a network of sites that share a common database. So first I need the data sync'd, then I need to have at least basic (textual) profiles, then I'll open up all the new chat rooms. But there's some other stuff that needs to get done first (e.g. dealing with bouncing emails).

It sounds like you might have your security settings too high. The first thing it does is "fingerprint" your browser. It then passes that to the site where chat is. And that site returns the number of people and sets a cookie in your browser. When you click on chat it needs that fingerprint value to authenticate that you're you. If you have your security settings too high the browser will deny the fingerprinting and everything else will fail.

Just put in your profile that you're an airline employee, then it's disclosed and they can choose what they want to do. Since they're probably pretty anonymous encounters, maybe wear a full hood to protect the top since you're the biggest risk in the room…

So the question going forward is how to be an ethical slut? I think it would be good to have a community discussion on it… One point of view is like that expressed by @Sobaystud above. That approach aims for zero risk. It's admirable, but is it maintainable? Those of us who went through the AIDS pandemic had a variety of approaches to dealing with it, and I think some of them are appropriate here. Personally I got through the '90s with 1) the best information I could find, and 2) risk reduction (but not complete risk elimination). So when the Limelight reopened a dark room, it was the first one in the City in many years. I was right in there for hours at a time. I was doing oral, j/o, and while I was vers at the time, but never got fucked in there. It wasn't the place. What shocked some guys was that I wanted them to cum on me. They thought it was really risky, but I knew it wasn't (HIV dies when exposed to air). The dark room was really hot and I'd get totally sweaty. The loads guys dumped on me would mix with the sweat and when I'd leave I was literally dripping wet with a mix of cum and sweat. I loved wiping my had over my chest and feeling it totally slick and covered in cum. The point of that story was that I took a little risk. I did stuff that was edgy for the time, but it was all based on risk reduction. That said, I didn't stop living my life. And I still had a blast. I'm not sure it's smart to tell people "just say no" – it's like religious fundamentalists – they bottle stuff up so much that when they finally let go they do some really fucked up shit. Personally I think we need a middle ground. Sensible risk reduction that might not eliminate all risk, but a strategy that reduces and spreads out the risk. So in other words, the risk you might take going to one crowded sex party – can you spread that out over different types of activities, so you might get say 2 hookups a week for 6 months that are the same cumulative risk as that one sex party? Here are some of what I think could substantially reduce risk. Feel free to add your approaches… Trusted Partners – This one is totally HIV Pandemic 101 – get to know guys before you fuck and get a sense for how much risk they're taking. Whether they've been tested and have antibodies, etc. There's this one little Asian guy I know is pretty kinky who wants to hookup when things get back a bit closer to normal. He's been possibly more conservative than me through this whole thing, so I know hooking up with him is pretty low risk. And I know him and trust him. Sex Outdoors – The news today was that a study done in China with extensive contact tracing found almost no cases of outdoor transmission. So hooking up outdoors, in parks, in the dunes at beaches, etc. could be a viable way to reduce your risk. 1-on-1s Instead of Groups – Let's say you go to a sex party and come in close contact with 100 guys, but only have sex with 40 of them. Well, you just took on 100 units of risk for only 40 units of benefit. If you did 40 1-on-1 hookups you'd get the same benefit for 40% of the risk, and probably have more sex in the process. Regulars Rather Than Strangers – If we're talking about units of risk, hooking up with the same guy 5 times, while not 1 unit of total risk, is less than 5 units of risk. Maybe it's 2 units of risk. But you just saved 3 units of risk… Quickies – That's another finding that came out in the past day or two – the shorter the interaction, the less risk. So a 5-10 minute pump-n-dump is substantially safer than an hour long hookup. I'm not going to say it's 1/12th or 1/6th of the risk, but maybe it's 1/3rd of the risk. Full Hoods with No Openings – If you like blindfolds, and you're thinking about wearing a mask during sex, combine the two and wear a full hood. It can be a $15 spandex one or a rubber / neoprene one, or a $300 custom leather hood. The point is, it actually makes the sex hotter while reducing risk. Now if giving a blowjob is important to you (or in my case felching a cummy hole), it may not be a workable solution. But if you don't feel like you're giving up anything, go for it… Here's a decent article that goes over risk reduction strategies for more mundane tasks, but a lot of the bullet points apply to sex equally well… So the next question is when… I think this one is a bit more contentious. Clearly some people never stopped hooking up. And other people are going to wait for months. And if that works for them, 👍, but it won't work for everyone. Personally there are several things I'm considering… Is the hospital system overwhelmed? Is the risk low enough to be acceptable? While NYC isn't to their target of 30% of hospital beds free and 30% of ICU beds free, they're getting there. So even now I think #1 is a big issue here. In a couple weeks I wouldn't consider it to be an issue at all. Then there's the question of risk. That's a lot more complicated. I don't interact with a lot of people normally, so my risk is primarily personal (and risk to my husband). I don't have the worry of elderly friends or family. I should also mention that my husband got both an RNA and antibody test recently and both were negative. So I'm almost certainly negative as well. Bottom line, if you catch it there's a little less than a 1% chance (on average) that you'll die. On the risk charts, being 52, I'm pretty much smack dab "average". Then there's the risk of all the other complications. If someone gave you a bowl of 100 M&Ms and said "there's one in there that will kill you", would you eat any of the M&Ms? Having candy is pretty optional, so no you probably wouldn't. But what if it were the only food around and you hadn't eaten in days? Then yeah, you'd probably risk it. But it's not like there's a 1% chance of death every time you hookup. The 1% chance of death gets multiplied by the chance you'll catch COVID in that particular hookup, and that's where the whole risk reduction thing comes in. IMHO, you have to take the risk of that particular hookup and compare it to things like going to the grocery store, or hanging out with friends in a park for an hour or two. Just because it's sex doesn't mean it's undeserving of some of your "risk budget". Personally I'm considering hooking up in a couple weeks. (Just considering at this point – this post is part of my thought process). And I'd start with low risk stuff like trusted partners, sex in parks, and quickie pump-n-dumps. A low risk activity like those once or twice a week will have a significant quality of life benefit. So what's your thinking on all this?

He looks fine. He's posted two hookups since he got out of the hospital. Who knows how many he's actually had.

That could be related to the server change, but not the DDoS protection. Email is getting sent from a different server now, and your mail service may like the new server less than the old one. That said, if some are getting through, then you're probably getting everything. Maybe look in your junk mail folder? That said, you're on Hotmail. There were issues in the past with the Microsoft mail services (@hotmail.com, @outlook.com, etc.) No mail was getting through at one point. I was just glad to see some is getting through. If you do find things in your junk mail folder make sure to mark them "not spam" – that will help you and other BZ users on Hotmail (and possibly on Outlook.com as well).

That's almost expected. If you've ever gone into chat, that happens. (Try again and you'll probably get in). Chat is not part of what got changed. Problems with posts with links has been temporarily fixed. They're working on a better solution though.