SpectreAgent

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1 hour ago, Spunkinmyarse said:

We (the British) seem unable to do plumbing in general, so it’s not surprising to discover that we have a complete blind spot when it comes to douching facilities. Sweatbox certainly did have at least one douching cubicle, but it quite possible they removed it, as no-one in this country seems to understand how they work, and it was often very messy. Northwich sauna in Cheshire has recently installed two such cubicles, but again, whoever actually did the work seems to have had no idea what they were doing, and has used a shower drain instead of a toilet one- news flash: turds don’t flush down shower drains very easily, and who wants to spend time poking shit with a stick to break it up into small pieces so that it will finally disappear down the plug hole?

I can’t see things changing anytime soon. When I asked one club owner about it, I was told that they couldn’t install douching facilities because then they wouldn’t get insurance- wtf?? Are they worried that someone is going to injure themselves? Your guess is as good as mine…

Anyway, I’ve learnt to be pretty adept at using my handy bulb douche, and now take it with me everywhere. In clubs, I just tuck it into my socks so that it’s always there if I need a quick ‘refresh’. It works pretty well, though I have to say it’s always a treat to go to clubs and saunas in mainland Europe where proper douching facilities are standard.

I take my bulb to the gym as well. Always better to travel in hope, as they say…

Excellent start. And a good cliffhanger. I think we’re all counting down… to the next instalment. 

On 9/19/2024 at 5:11 AM, Ieatcumholes said:

YUP! Twice with the same guy! And hope it becomes more than that! 😍 (>> I << haven't kissed and told, but he did after our first time... 😉)

I’d love to make it thrice, someday…

29 minutes ago, versmetropig said:

@Leather-lee I can really only speak to NYC for the late 70s and early 80s - by the time I graduated University in 1984 and started my performing career fear and uncertainty were all ready changing in terms of the all-out-free for all feeling in NYC. Out on the road (I eventually wound up getting laid in 41 of the 42 States I performed in , all of the Canadian Provinces (Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Quebec, Ontario and British Columbia) and most of the Mexican States where I appeared things took a bit longer to change, but from 1985 on any fucking was done with condoms whether topping or bottoming (that would not change much with hook-ups until the mid-90s, though with both my first partner and my husband, BB was the rule most of the time) and anonymous hooking up began to be seriously frowned upon .

Anyway, while things today have some echoes of that period, the sheer VOLUME and VARIETY and VAST MENU of sexual activity still eclipse our current unbridled  venues and scenes because - in NYC at least - there were just so many more of them, they were so casually available almost EVERYWHERE ANYTIME in venues both private and public and a higher portion of the gay/queer community indulged in them without hesitation or guilt or concern prior to the knowledge of a deadly epidemic and so I must answer, YES, they were that different. Trust me, today is a VAST improvement over the late '80s and the '90s when a large percentage of guys even insisted on condoms for BLOWJOBS for f*ck sake, even putting them on dildos - those were some tragically libido-crushing years! But while there are more options again, and some unbridled bacchanal scenes mercifully returning, they will never again have the naive care-free innocence we had back then and the huge number of opportunities everywhere may or may not return. Almost every Rest Stop, Truck Stop, Department Store Men's Room, Library Men's Rooms, many full-size Porn Theaters - truly distinct from Adult Bookstores and Booth Stores, Live Performance venues like The Gaiety, a huge number of Discos, Clubs, and Event Spaces, Bars that catered to every different sub-culture in the "lifestyle" were rife with sexual activity many neighborhood bars even had sexually active backrooms... If one or two of each of these types of venues has survived not only into the 21st century but also made it through Quarantine with its' doors still open that's awesome, but realize there were at least 10 to 20 to 30 more of each back then.

Not trying sound like some oldster who sits around in his rocking chair complaining how things were better in the old days, there really is a difference between the two periods - in both care-free innocence and sheer volume of both men and venues. Don't let that stop you or anyone else on here from enjoying the opportunities we DO have today - there are very few guys like me who were  THERE and active in the scene THEN while still being HERE and still active in the scene NOW,. The depth and sensuality and satisfaction and LENGTH OF TIME a man can have sex with the assistance of Viagra and the like make today's scene pretty special too - anyone who feels they "missed out" on that time period can always remind themselves that: a) most of those guys from that time period are NOT like me and did not live to see the 90s let alone the 21st century, and, b) we can join scenes now assisted by E.D. pills or shots, and play for much longer!

You write so eloquently about that period. I don’t know about anyone else, but you almost made me feel like I was there when I read that.

Which were the piers that were most active? I wasn’t sure when I was there in May (walking the High Line - no pun intended). And what has happened to them now? 

2 minutes ago, Spunkinmyarse said:

I live about 15 mins from Stansted- but although I think I’m a good fuck, I don’t think it’s worth flying in from the nordics just for my arse 🤣

I can’t get them to travel from the next village for mine, these days… 🤪

I pass near Stansted often on the train. 

5 hours ago, versmetropig said:

I vaguely remember hearing something about it, but no, I have not seen it. I wonder if it gibes with my own experiences or dulls them down, or conversely, plays them up for drama purposes? Did you find it to be positive, neutral, or judgemental at all?

This is the synopsis on Peccadillo Pictures website:  

“They took MDMA and danced the night away. If you were in the mood for pure sex, there were the bathhouses. And if total sleaze was your aim, there were the piers, the Anvil or Mineshaft, places where men simply wanted to have sex with other men with no pretence.

Gay Sex in the 70s is a stunning visual document of New York during the decade of gay liberation and sexual abandon following Stonewall. Gay men cruised the streets, frequented gay bars, and, of course, had loads and loads of sex everywhere. But only 12 years after Stonewall, this unprecedented era of sexual freedom came to a close.”

I really must watch it again. 

Not judgemental in the slightest. But I wouldn’t expect it from those producers. I think you can still find it online. It was available on iTunes for a while. 

4 hours ago, versmetropig said:

Born in November '62, I was a teenager in NYC back then. At 16 my older brother would take me with him and his girlfriend to Studio 54 then they'd go off to Plato's Retreat (a straight sex club) and I'd go hit a bathhouse or bookstore or backroom of a leather bar. Our NY drinking age was 18 at that time and no gay leather bar, bathhouse or porn theater ever kept me from coming in... Sex was everywhere in the late 70s and early 80s, when I started Fordham University at 17 there were T-rooms with gloryholes at both our Lincoln Center and Bronx campuses (several at each, and generally busy).

There were so many sexual venues for a horny teen like me - Port Authority Bus Terminal and George Washington Bridge Bus Terminal mens rooms might well have been sex clubs, especially upstairs at the GWB. Macy's, Bloomingdales, Saks, all the department stores had active glory holes, along with the Lincoln Center Library, and any Subway Station with a mens room. The YMCA on 63rd was friggin' amazing, and there were outdoor venues - the Rambles in Central Park were active day and night, and such a convenient walk from my Lincoln Center campus - I used to climb one of the boulders to do my homework, and if I spied some hot action, I would slide down and join in... The abandoned piers in Greenwich Village, "The Trucks" parked in the Meat Packing district, the High Line before it became a tourist attraction, all of these had active sex traffic.

Of course there were the bathhouses - the Ansonia being a favorite, and the Porn theaters in Times Square  - the Adonis, the David and the like all had balconies that were nothing but gangs of guys sucking and fucking and rimming and there were tons of ABS all over Manhattan some special favorites were on Christopher Street in the Village that had basements and sub-basements, red-lit with alcoves, stalls and the occasional fuck bench.

My favorites though were the Leather Bars with their backrooms. First let me begin by telling you the first gay mags I got to see at 15 were not "Playguy" or some other vanilla rag, they were "Honcho" and "Drummer"  (I later got to pose in leather for "Wilde" put out by the same publisher). Imagine being a 17 year old white blond jock kid who loved the leather scene and could actually convince guys I was more top than bottom despite the dancer/gymnast butt... the Anvil, the Spike, the Eagle there was serious ffun to be had at each... was taught to top as a fistfucker at 19 at the Anvil. And if the guys didn't believe I was a top, hell, I liked getting fucked too, but never was submissive - if they could deal with that, I'd give it up to a hot leather dude.

As to the Tom of Finland leather types... well, yes and no. Yes, they were around at the leather venues I frequented. But no, they were not hypermuscular like Tom's drawings. The body type of the time was "The Clone" an in-shape, trim, baseball or soccer type body, with nice arms, thick legs, flat stomach, hairy body, and what we now call a "porn-stache" with short hair. On guys of all colors and nationalities and sizes. I sported the look as much as I could being on the younger end of the trend, and did not sport the mustache (was a drama student, needed to be able to change my face readily). These guys were very hot - for a perfect example, look up the Porn Star "Al Parker" whose old films are still smoking hot. But pumped bodybuilder types like Tom drew, they were not. It wasn't until the mid-nineties when we began to pump ourselves to those larger proportions.

But the hot sex was there in the leather bars particularly - backrooms with slings, bathtubs for water sports, st. andrews crosses, fuck benches, gyno tables, any type of furniture to enhance uninhibited bacchanalian gay male sexuality. It was amazing.

But obviously, it couldn't last. Through my sophomore through senior years at college, the gay plague as they called it was raising it's ugly head. Rumors were wild, ideas about it were bizarre and the outside world turned away in fear and loathing and believed we "deserved it". The bacchanalia continued on, but diminished every year. By 1985 I was using condoms constantly, but it didn't matter in my case. Sometime before the ERISA test became available in 1985 I had contracted HIV. It was a sore blow to a 22 year old, but something in me believed that sex would never kill me.... and here I am THIRTY-NINE YEARS LATER - still here, still enjoying wonderful piggy leather sex but also aware of how damn lucky I am, and how many of my friends and lovers weren't, and also well aware of how beholden I am to the pharmaceutical companies who will keep me their slave for the rest of my life rather than find a cure. Bitter, yeah, but still grateful they developed what they have, and despite almost 40 years I haven't developed any serious side-effects or infections. And once I started on HAART therapy in 1998 I felt free enough to go back to bareback with other poz guys only, and keep the condoms for any neg guys I played with. With the new drugs and PreP and a wealth of knowledge, I will even BB with someone who is negative once they know that I am undetectable, and they make the decision yay or nay. That at least is a blessing.

But it can never bring back those carefree days you ask about @IrishBoi, and long long answer shortened, for some of us, and in places like NYC, yes, for the most part the movies have it correct. Hardly a day went by during that time that I didn't suck or get sucked, fuck or get fucked by some rando or other(s). It was an incredible blast, but we also payed a staggering price!

 

There was a documentary some years back called “Gay Sex in the 70s” made by Peccadillo Pictures which I still have in my collection. It’s all about gay life in NYC back then. I really enjoyed it. Have  you seen it? 

I went to a couple of the Sheffield ones and they were excellent - really packed and a lot of interaction. That was pre-pandemic, before we were all locked in our homes. I haven’t been back since but I have heard they were awful after lockdowns were eased. 

2 minutes ago, partying.hard said:

I have fucked with 3 guys who were/are on BZ.  I connected with one guy off this site … and only found out during pillow talk that 2 other guys were members!

That’s 3 lucky guys… 😜

1 hour ago, Justaholeff said:

Wish I was one!

Don’t we all…? 😜

Yes, I’ve met with a terrific guy from here and hope to do so again. I’ve also made a few correspondence buddies, some transatlantic ones, I most definitely should like to meet up with. 

2 hours ago, AirmaxUK said:

Maybe it's a regional thing but I think prices for bars/clubs/drinks in London are high enough to keep the addicts away.  On the other hand, some might say expense is a problem.

The only thing I would say is a nuisance on the London scene is guys who won't take no for an answer, and bottoms that are competitive to the point of irritation. 

I'm not a smoker, but I never minded it in cruise bars/club - they still allow it in some places in Berlin -  it has the advantage of masking any of the more unpleasant smells from the darkroom and whatever industrial bleach they use to clean it up. One club I know uses a special disinfectant intended for mortuaries.

My opinion of the apps is very low (see my previous posts on various threads). It likely varies with which app you use and where you are and what the culture is like. UK wise, most guys seem to be on apps for attention and gratification. Few are there to really meet.    

The apps in the UK have become wearisome and jaded; I’ve more or less given up on them.

You make an interesting point about smoking. I’ve never smoked, but I’ve also never minded it. In fact, I find there’s something intrinsically attractive about a bad boy smoking. 

1 hour ago, sluttony said:

I've been to a couple of the years and they're great fun. The one caveat is my information is a few years old now - I last went during the relaxation of rules during COVID, so... roughly four years now.

As I was a late entry, I got the room at the top with only one bed (suited me, to be honest) but they usually pair a top and a bottom in a double bed per room.

They also tend to have a party on the Saturday that's open to all - I've taken many a load in their sling. The ones I attended were naked events. A really great mix of guys and a great atmosphere. Paul is a super host. I can fully recommend it.

I concur with all of that. And the host really is a superb guy. 

On 8/5/2024 at 8:47 PM, blackrobe said:

This kind of thing makes me laugh. 

I'm a bottom (pretty submissive, but also primal) and wear Andrew Christian briefs because the construction of the pouch is more comfortable for my cock. Nothing to do with loving taking dick and seed in my ass. 

If I'm getting fucked they're going down or off anyway, no matter what type they are.

Same here. I love Andrew Christian briefs. 

I’ve not been to the specific weekend, but the PA is a fabulous hotel and I can really recommend it.

18 hours ago, AirmaxUK said:

Elsewhere on this site, @Lucienblack88 and @Morgar666 debated about how wearing rubbergear put him in a particular headspace in contrast to what you might normally wear day-to-day or at your job.

I've always thought that what you wear helps with how you feel. Rubber - Leather - Tradie/Workie/Hivis - Sportswear.

A moment of reflection and I recalled that as a kid I loved a TV programme in the UK called Mr Benn.  (Anyone remember that? It's on YouTube for the curious)  Each episode Mr Benn visited a shop and tried on an outfit and 'became' that person and had an adventure.   I guess that idea stuck in my mind...

As a teen I attended a very sporty school, but wasn't athletic myself. I used to 'forget' my gym kit or rugby kit on purpose so I'd have to borrow someone else's and pretend for a moment I am them...  Maybe that was half of it - the other half I expect was the pheromones...

As an adult I like to wear both my own gear and borrowed gear from other guys and let my imagination take over.  For a few hours I can immerse myself in the masculinity of being a Railway Worker, a Biker, an Ice Hockey Goalie, or a Rugby Player...    

Anyone relate to this or am I barking mad? 

 

What an great topic - and so relatable.

Last October, I was invited to a birthday party in Manchester with a World War II theme. I opted for a Royal Air Force uniform because it’s always been “a thing” for me ever since childhood. The uniform - an officer’s obvs - included a genuine WWII cap. The moment I put it on I felt bloody marvellous - and looked it (I know you saw the pictures, @AirmaxUK). As you say, I basked in the masculinity of that uniform. And of those who’d worn it before me. Maybe it even held on to the remnants of their spirits. Who knows?

Even more interestingly, was the reaction of others. After the party, I deliberately walked back through the gay village to my hotel. I’m not usually one to turn heads in the gay village (though not stomachs either, I hope) but on this occasion I was like a Snickers bar thrown over the wall of a fat camp. All eyes were on me and a couple of drag queens pulled me into a bar for a drink. It was quite extraordinary. Did it get me laid that night? I leave that to your imaginations.

Naturally, I didn’t want to take the damned thing off!

1 hour ago, AirmaxUK said:

Two loads at SOP on Sunday.  Arrived later than usual and found two guys ready and keen to unload from the start. After that a guy with a large PA Piercing gave them a good churning but didn't add his own to the mix.  The sling was free a bit later and although there was plenty of stretching and prodding with fingers no further loads... Not a bad Sunday at SOP. 😉 

Think I’m long overdue a return to SOP… 

42 minutes ago, AlB said:

Which part “might” you have made-up @SpectreAgent; the part about being a stripper or the part about your audience’s reaction? 🧐

I couldn’t possibly comment… 😜

“Trade” and “dealer” sound like things you might encounter on some hook up sites, too.

Definite parallels…

1 minute ago, ellentonboy said:

@RawNYTop - another financial issue to think about with Florida is that insurer's are requiring home owners to put a new roof on their house every ten years.  I got this information from friends who have sold their house and moved near Ashville, NC, just a few months back.  This was not always the case.  My parents moved to Florida from Pennsylvania in 1987, they owned two homes until their deaths in 2017.   I don't recall at any time they had to replace their roof, I would have known.  Obviously things change in 47 years, I understand that.  But I don't know how many people realize that the ability to garner and keep home owner's insurance is getting increasingly difficult in the "Sunshine State".  If I am mistaken regarding these new requirements I welcome a correction from other BZ members, but I was under the impression that the middle class and those on fixed incomes were being forced out in a way.  Where will everyone go?  I have no clue.

Funnily enough, I was watching a YouTube channel last week about some Brits who’ve relocated to Florida and learned about the roof thing. At first, I thought I’d misheard. 

9 hours ago, FelchingPisser said:

I have taken money a few times.  A man I used to fist, really got off on making the experience transactional.  He told me, after our first session, he wanted to pay me for my time and my expertise.  I refused.  He left in a huff.  When I tried to arrange a second meeting, he told me he would only come back if he could pay me.  That was when I learned it was his fetish.  Paying me after I worked his ass was how he 'got off.'  I decided to indulge him.  He paid well--and I used all the money I earned to buy things for the playroom, including the bigger toys he was soon taking.

I met a guy years ago in Greenwich, London who was exactly like that. My initial reaction was identical to yours. But then I realised it was how he got his jollies, so I met him a few times - mainly because he was quite hot. I used the money to pay my phone bill because younger guys, now able to use apps, have no idea how expensive those bloody chat lines were back in the day. 

41 minutes ago, versmetropig said:

Hell yeah, I feel masculine when I bottom, no reason not to feel that way. Yeah, so, I'm getting fucked by a man - most likely I have just fucked him or will be fucking him when my turn on the bottom is over and it's time to flip. If not, and I'm only bottoming in a session (very unusual - I normally am top-vers, and like both topping and bottoming in any given encounter, but will occasionally only top or only bottom. Doesn't matter, at least to me and in my experience, I'm fully comfortable in my masculinity and to be fair tend to be kind of dom even when I'm getting fucked. And hell, LOOK at the size of some of those cocks out there - it takes a MAN to take some of those without whimpering or whining or crying - and to take it and enjoy it thoroughly, encouraging the other dude to go for it, to pound and pound hard as I know not only can I take it, but can enjoy and have fun doing so.

I guess the answer is different for every guy, but I honestly don't see why one would feel any less of a man just because he's getting fucked - unless he wants to feel that way. And although that's very much not for me, that's just fine if someone else wants to explore their more feminine side or whatever when being topped. If someone has the need to feel submissive and dominated and controlled - then fine (I've certainly topped enough guys like that in my life) but it doesn't HAVE to be that way - like me, I consider getting fucked to be physically pleasurable and just another part of how enjoyable I find in all facets of male-on-male sex to be, and I really enjoy bumping into other guys who can span the full spectrum of top/bottom/vers and explore as much variety in their sex life as possible.

So, no, I personally don't feel less masculine when being fucked, and don't see any need to feel my masculinity threatened by it - but if others DO feel that way and WANT to feel that way, then cool! Revel in it! But if you feel your masculinity threatened by it and don't want to - then let it go, there's no need to feel that way. You can have both if you want, just realize that the only one who can really threaten your masculinity is YOU - and you get to decide whether that's for you or not!

 

Exactly how I feel. 

On 5/18/2024 at 9:38 PM, partying.hard said:

And I’m sure you’d love to pull a couple of loads out of me

Wouldn’t we all…? 😆