Prep For "straight" Guys?

[disorder]

I've only recently started posting after lurking for a few months. I identify as straight and was turned on to gay forums by a gay friend of mine after being concerned that the STD/HIV information that I was being given was outdated. I had heard the basic "line" from the time I was 15 until I was 27 or so. I just couldn't accept that there had been no progression. He explained that the gay community is very up to date on the most progressive approaches to STD/HIV. After lurking for a while I can agree.

 

While I identify as straight I do have enough self awareness to recognize that I am here and I also prefer BB. I also have a seldom desire for very passable TS's of which I prefer to top and bottom with bareback.

 

Most of those occurrences have been protected even though the TS's were ok with BB. I chose to not use a condom because I was not happy with the answers I received when asking of status. In a lot situations I frequently get responses like "i"m clean" and "I'm healthy" which are very ambiguous to me. I think "clean" generally expresses that the person at least believes they are neg, but "I'm clean and tested neg as of a date is much more trustworthy. To me the response of "I'm healthy" sounds like someone who is poz. UD and relatively healthy. That may not be a concern but It is still a lie though. In my area TS's have been known to run Scams/Setups leading to violent robberies. Being understandable of this I am always aware that someone may be working a scam. SO regardless of how you want to conduct your sex life there is some hesitation when meeting with TS'. When I point out the dodgy nature of their responses to the statues question, most stop talking to me. More concerning is that some of these potential partners, who agree to BB very seldom ask for  status even though I have asked theirs.

 

With that in mind I altered my approach a bit if BB sex is being discussed  with a potential partner .

 

I always state the truth that I am neg and tested often. I even supplement with OraQuick tests  All very true. I also explain i that I am straight, much lower risk than a lot people. and rarely do the TS thing.  I've also pointed out that I have a solid understanding of disease transmission and could be ok with a poz person if they were UD and very up front an honest about it. Even with this expressed most people have been very dodgy. I understand that coming out as poz to someone is a big risk socially but lying and infecting someone could have more life altering legal impact.

 

To put it in perspective I took the same approach with someone who only agreed to oral. This person was also dodgy on the status question but eventually owned up to being poz and UD, and that that it was likely for or her to transmit.  I'll be honest that while I did have a good grasp of what UD meant I was still not ready to BB with someone who was poz. We did meet for drink and had a great time discussing politics, but nothing sexual. A few month later she asked how I was doing and we met up again. This time we fooled around 2very safely.

 

The one and only TS I did bb with was because she was very up front and answered the status questions very honestly. "I am neg as of (date) but have bb'd with 2 others since the test" She explained that were both married guys and that they all took oraquick tests prior to any actions,  She took a test one with each guy and was neg each time. We continued to talk and eventually discussed our reasoning for wanting to bareback. She explained that she did escort sometimes to pay the bills. I am not naive and understand that TS's have limited opportunities. She explained that clients were always protected but that she also desired real and raw sex with people she desired, It ultimately gave her balance. We were/are also both very hung and have issues with condoms from time time. She also agreed to bring an OraQuick test for us both when we met. They turned out ok and we had a great time.

 

Sorry for the length my but dealings and my preference for bareback make me consider prep.

 

 

[Leather69]

My STD doctor describes PReP as the gay mans equivalent of the female pill. If you are or want to have raw sex with a ts you should be on it. A fuck that claims to be "clean" after a test and then bb's may or maybe not infected with hiv.

[fskn]

PrEP is recommended in the US for men who have sex with men, a term broad enough to encompass straight men who fuck trans people. You sound like an excellent candidate for PrEP. Other common criteria include multiple partners and/or a recent STI. Be conscious of the difference in risk between what you have done and what you want to do, and emphasize the latter when seeking PrEP.

Since you mention frequent HIV testing, be aware of two options:

4th-generation antibody tests detect antibodies fewer than four weeks after an HIV infection. Always check that you are receiving (or self-administering, if available) a 4th-generation test.

A qualitative PCR RNA viral load test detects the virus (not the antibodies) within 10 or fewer days after an HIV infection. If you've had a risky exposure and are worried, insist on this test, which is offered by any US health practitioner who is culturally competent in serving MSM.

Also, until you start Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis, or if you don't start, remember Post-Exposure Prophylaxis. Started within 72 hours, a 30-day course of HIV drugs (chosen by your doctor, ideally on the basis of the drug regimen used by your HIV-positive sex partner) prevents HIV infection. If you are afraid after a risky exposure, a hospital emergency room can provide PEP. It is the standard of care in the US and many other countries.

[disorder]

Still curious as to what everyones thoughts are. Since this post I've had 3 partners bareback, all F, but have been strongly considering a few TS's for BB play. TS's can be a bit shady in the NE US and often run scams so I am cautious and it usually doesn't pan out. Either they are way to sketchy, want $, dont wanna BB, are ok with BB but are openly poz., or clearly lieing about HIV status. I've also considered maybe being on the recipent end of a glory hole. I have a few F FWB's that I take to the local booths who do it bb and am getting curious.

[BiAggieGuy]

I'd do everything to get on PrEP. It makes sex so much better since you don't have to worry about HIV as it reduces the risk to almost zero. If you have to, find a doctor who specializes in STDs or treating gay men. They will be far more knowledgeable and likely have no issuing in prescribing PrEP.

[berlinboi]

I'm going to be tested Monday then going back every four weeks without doing much sex as I want to ensure I'm neg to take PrEP in the new year. Perhaps you need to just strategise a plan and hold off until you're sure you're neg and then take PrEP. Perhaps make an aim as a reward for holding off - whether that be bbing with a lot of ts. I have an aim for myself as a reward. 

[fskn]

I'm going to be tested Monday then going back every four weeks without doing much sex as I want to ensure I'm neg to take PrEP in the new year. ...

There's no need to wait so long to confirm that you are HIV-negative.

Ask for a qualitative PCR RNA viral load test, which would come back positive within days of infection.

Even a "4th-generation" antibody test (pioneered in Europe and in regular use there long before it entered regular use in the US -- but still always ask exactly what test you are receiving) would come back positive within weeks of infection, eliminating the need for more than one four-week period of limited sexual activity before you start PrEP.

[disorder]

So just an update, still straight but do have an occasional lust for very passable TS's. Since this post haven't had many risky encounters. All straight encounters with FWB's. They were all BB but not the riskiest thing in the world since those 2 FWB's weren't messing around with anyone else. I do realize they could be lying but they don't have a reason to per our arrangement and my honesty about my other FWB;s.

 

I still occasionally talk to TS's and consider meeting them for BB encounters but it has never materialized.

[LKMike]

Does anyone know of straight guys with positive female undetectable sex partners getting PrEP?

[Mjai4854]

Neg bottom here but on this site to get the great info from everyone and the hot stories I'm thinking of going on prep as well once I'm with a man bb will I still always be neg if he is undetectable on prep or even undetectable off prep or already have hiv? Also how do I get friends on this sight. I'm in Austin Texas

[Guest]

On 7/19/2015 at 12:53 AM, disorder said:

I've only recently started posting after lurking for a few months. I identify as straight and was turned on to gay forums by a gay friend of mine after being concerned that the STD/HIV information that I was being given was outdated. I had heard the basic "line" from the time I was 15 until I was 27 or so. I just couldn't accept that there had been no progression. He explained that the gay community is very up to date on the most progressive approaches to STD/HIV. After lurking for a while I can agree.

 

While I identify as straight I do have enough self awareness to recognize that I am here and I also prefer BB. I also have a seldom desire for very passable TS's of which I prefer to top and bottom with bareback.

 

Most of those occurrences have been protected even though the TS's were ok with BB. I chose to not use a condom because I was not happy with the answers I received when asking of status. In a lot situations I frequently get responses like "i"m clean" and "I'm healthy" which are very ambiguous to me. I think "clean" generally expresses that the person at least believes they are neg, but "I'm clean and tested neg as of a date is much more trustworthy. To me the response of "I'm healthy" sounds like someone who is poz. UD and relatively healthy. That may not be a concern but It is still a lie though. In my area TS's have been known to run Scams/Setups leading to violent robberies. Being understandable of this I am always aware that someone may be working a scam. SO regardless of how you want to conduct your sex life there is some hesitation when meeting with TS'. When I point out the dodgy nature of their responses to the statues question, most stop talking to me. More concerning is that some of these potential partners, who agree to BB very seldom ask for  status even though I have asked theirs.

 

With that in mind I altered my approach a bit if BB sex is being discussed  with a potential partner .

 

I always state the truth that I am neg and tested often. I even supplement with OraQuick tests  All very true. I also explain i that I am straight, much lower risk than a lot people. and rarely do the TS thing.  I've also pointed out that I have a solid understanding of disease transmission and could be ok with a poz person if they were UD and very up front an honest about it. Even with this expressed most people have been very dodgy. I understand that coming out as poz to someone is a big risk socially but lying and infecting someone could have more life altering legal impact.

 

To put it in perspective I took the same approach with someone who only agreed to oral. This person was also dodgy on the status question but eventually owned up to being poz and UD, and that that it was likely for or her to transmit.  I'll be honest that while I did have a good grasp of what UD meant I was still not ready to BB with someone who was poz. We did meet for drink and had a great time discussing politics, but nothing sexual. A few month later she asked how I was doing and we met up again. This time we fooled around 2very safely.

 

The one and only TS I did bb with was because she was very up front and answered the status questions very honestly. "I am neg as of (date) but have bb'd with 2 others since the test" She explained that were both married guys and that they all took oraquick tests prior to any actions,  She took a test one with each guy and was neg each time. We continued to talk and eventually discussed our reasoning for wanting to bareback. She explained that she did escort sometimes to pay the bills. I am not naive and understand that TS's have limited opportunities. She explained that clients were always protected but that she also desired real and raw sex with people she desired, It ultimately gave her balance. We were/are also both very hung and have issues with condoms from time time. She also agreed to bring an OraQuick test for us both when we met. They turned out ok and we had a great time.

 

Sorry for the length my but dealings and my preference for bareback make me consider prep.

 

 

I relate, and I identify as being str8 ( Heteroflexible). I bottom, and love having guys plow my ass on occasion, prefer raw and anon, no kissing or emotional connections; a number of guys have told me they are Poz-UD, and I am ok with it. I will probably be pursuing this for a couple more years. I got prep, and then, read a post here, about this 2-1-1 dosing strategy, which I  practice now. 

[fskn]

On 4/12/2022 at 2:02 AM, 90PercentStr8 said:

I relate, and I identify as being str8 ( Heteroflexible). I bottom, and love having guys plow my ass on occasion, prefer raw and anon, no kissing or emotional connections; a number of guys have told me they are Poz-UD, and I am ok with it. I will probably be pursuing this for a couple more years. I got prep, and then, read a post here, about this 2-1-1 dosing strategy, which I  practice now. 

It's wonderful to hear about straight people using PrEP! I wish my own straight friends would try it. It shouldn't be thought of as only for gay men.

All three PrEP options approved in the US are available to cisgender men, including heterosexual men: Truvada (or generic), Descovy, and Apretude (the new 2-month injectable).

An old post in the thread mentions women. Today, Truvada and Apretude are also available to cisgender women, including heterosexual women. (Intermittent or "2-1-1" Truvada for PrEP is not available as it has not been studied in cisgender women. Also, women using daily Truvada for PrEP need to wait 20 days to achieve protection for vaginal sex, according to the US CDC PrEP guidelines.) Much work remains to be done to inform cisgender women about PrEP. Combinations of PrEP and birth control, including long-acting implants, are actively being studied.

[Guest]

On 4/13/2022 at 7:56 AM, fskn said:

It's wonderful to hear about straight people using PrEP! I wish my own straight friends would try it. It shouldn't be thought of as only for gay men.

All three PrEP options approved in the US are available to cisgender men, including heterosexual men: Truvada (or generic), Descovy, and Apretude (the new 2-month injectable).

An old post in the thread mentions women. Today, Truvada and Apretude are also available to cisgender women, including heterosexual women. (Intermittent or "2-1-1" Truvada for PrEP is not available as it has not been studied in cisgender women. Also, women using daily Truvada for PrEP need to wait 20 days to achieve protection for vaginal sex, according to the US CDC PrEP guidelines.) Much work remains to be done to inform cisgender women about PrEP. Combinations of PrEP and birth control, including long-acting implants, are actively being studied.

I did it primarily for my wife, it took a lot of courage to admit it, to my primary physician, that I live a Bisexual lifestyle, and sometimes engage in risky sexual behavior, as I put it. I think there are a lot of men out there, that are on the Str8 end of the Bisexual spectrum, who don't want it recorded in their medical history. 

[fskn]

Props to you for protecting yourself, your wife, and your sexual partners, @90PercentStr8!

For others who might be worried about having HIV and STI tests, treatment, and PrEP in their medical records, please seek out community clinics. You are welcome at GLBT clinics even if you identify as straight.

Clinics offer free or low-cost testing without billing insurance, and they have "navigators" who can help you find suitable low- or no-cost options for PrEP, again, without relying on insurance.

Many facilities encourage you to use whatever name you want. Providing a working cell phone number or e-mail address is helpful, so that clinic staff can contact you.

At least one state, California, also funds a special PrEP access program for dependents who don't want the "primary insured" to know that they are using PrEP. Even though an adult's medical records are always private, billing statements and claim summaries sent to the primary insured reveal dates, locations, names of doctors, types of tests, and prescription drug names — details that point to sexual health care.

It's stupid that billing and claims effectively bypass privacy protections, because this discourages people from getting the care that they need. Insurers, however, are happy about this, precisely because it serves as a deterrent, leaving them with fewer covered charges to pay for.

Edited April 26, 2022 by fskn

[BiCurious100]

On 3/5/2016 at 1:14 PM, LKMike said:

Does anyone know of straight guys with positive female undetectable sex partners getting PrEP?

Just to add, that in the UK, PrEP is ONLY given out free of charge for men who (only) have sex with men.  I recently started the process of going on PrEP myself and the first question that I was asked was my sexual history - when I said that I currently have only had sex with females (including bb sex with prostitutes), he said that PrEP wasn't available to me!!!  When I then said that I was exploring my bi-side and looking to start having sex with men, he then agreed that I could get free PrEP...  I now have an appointment to do the usual tests etc, before getting my first lot of PrEP.

 

I can't comment on the availability of (free) PrEP in other countries.