Submissive tops?

[drscorpio]

Moderator's Note: At some point, we transitioned from a civil, if heated, discussion into name calling and abuse. That post and the subsequent response which quoted it have been removed. Attacking some one's ideas and positions is okay; personal attacks are not. 

[ErosWired]

7 hours ago, POZitiveBoyZ said:

Can you answer me please?

As you directly ask me to do so, and as the Moderators have left your post intact, I will indeed answer you.

First, a few general observations before I touch on the various questions you ask in your reply to my post: It is clear from your narrative and from your use of English that you are not a citizen of the United States and hold certain opinions regarding Americans based on stereotypes that distort your views. It is also plain that you have strong views about the gay community, lifestyle, culture, and associated social issues, views so strong that they warp the way you understand what I and others write in our posts here. My comments below will attempt to clarify matters. I will not, however, address you, as you request, like you're a "5 years old boy"; this discussion would be incomprehensible - never mind inappropriate - to the average five-year-old.

7 hours ago, POZitiveBoyZ said:

Wait What? Does that means that when you are fucked then the only your Top got a Fun and Satisfaction? Does that means that you are hate sex and doing this with the only one way to not being a loser in the eyes of Tops? Isn’t? Also, does that means that you’re not associating yourself like a biological “real” Man and thinking that you’re a worst guy then every Top because you’re using your ass hole (“Cuz anal sex is not a natural sex that could lead you to a big issues with disability of keeping your poop is normal”)? Does exactly that means that you’re loosing a respect and love for yourself and life cuz you’re letting Tops to use and abuse you? Or I’m wrong? Sister, you should to find your pride and self-esteem.

This paragraph illustrates that you did not, or do not, understand my discussion from the point of view of a trained sexual service bottom. In the order that the questions are asked:

• It is my duty, my purpose, and my responsibility as I see it to ensure that the Top who chooses to use me for his pleasure receives the best service and satisfaction I can provide. My own physical gratification is not the goal, and indeed, I may suffer discomfort or pain to accomplish my purpose. But I also feel great satisfaction, not necessarily from the sex, but from the pride in knowing that I succeeded in pleasing the Top.

• Hate sex? Don't be absurd. Neither am I concerned at all that a Top would think me a "loser". The thought simply doesn't occur to me. The Top may think what he wishes of me if it enhances his sexual experience.

• No, I do not think negatively about myself because I am giving my ass, nor do I hold any such rubbish belief about anal sex being unnatural. This is such a bizarre notion that I can't help wondering if you're projecting something you're dealing with yourself - in which case I would reassure you that there's nothing to be concerned about or ashamed of. But I digress.

• Letting Tops "use and abuse" me does not cause me to lose self-respect or love of life - quite the reverse. I am a very purpose-driven individual and I find it a highly enriching endeavor.

• I am not your, or anyone's sister, nor do I subscribe to the particular view of gay culture characterized by such labels. I am perfectly proud of who I am, and my self-esteem is just fine, thank you. I am a man, and further, I am a son, a brother, a father, and have been a husband. I do not relate well to other men who refer to each other in female terms. Another member of my family is a working drag performer, and that is a very different world.

7 hours ago, POZitiveBoyZ said:

So, you sign that you follow the rape abusive culture with sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, slut and bottom shaming, fem and fat rejections, wrong patriarchy standards and sexual role models?

I do not "sign" any such thing. Your conclusions are manufactured out of whole cloth by your own bias. As it happens, I am staunchly against all of those things, and act, speak and write accordingly. Your perception that I "sign" otherwise comes entirely from you.

7 hours ago, POZitiveBoyZ said:

You sign that you’re not Equal to Top? You sign that you don’t have a voice to talk and your Constitutional Rights? You sign that Gay “community” has a huge internalized homophobia and self hatred? You sign that Gay “community” has a segregation standards where is the “Musc” culture is on a pedestal and there is no any other chances to being fuckable for “Skinny/Fem/Chubby” GuyZ because of the “Gay beauty standards”? Can you answer me please? If so, then I’m feeling really really sorry for you, your country, your history and your Constitution. If so, then the People of the United States 🇺🇸are a big liars and hypocrites in this World and your “American superiority” means absolutely nothing. Also, could you explain me please this one things: “Porn is not a reality! So you have to stop imagine that every gay fuck should looks like a porn fuck!” Could you explain me please like I’m a 5 years old boy why American Gay GuyZ wants to promote “a very good friendly newish things” outside the community and in the mean time they are still being in a very very far and different way? What a hypocrisy! Does that means that American LGBTQ community just trying to get an acceptance by the straight people and trying to looks like a “normal” like the straight people (like we are the same as you are)? If so then there is a big lies again. Because Gays can not be the same as Straights! And could you explain me please what does that means “the gay male sexual ecosystem“? Who was made this “ecosystem”? Is it the Law with a big arbitrage practice in the Court? Cuz I’m sure that this “ecosystem” was created by the porn industry. Bad news. Your porn industry with it bosses is a dumb haters and a shit! And what’s about the “Diversity” and “Inclusivity”? What’s about “be yourself” and “love yourself”? What’s about “body positive” and “not judging anyone because you could be judged too”? Are you gonna tell me that all of these is just a simple fictions? Or I’m a wrong?

Clearly, none of this has anything to do with what I wrote, or the topic of the thread, which I would gently remind you is "Submissive Tops". You used the opportunity to threadjack in order to air your manifesto. My post just happened to be your springboard.

But, you did specifically ask, so out of courtesy I will specifically tell you - yes, you're quite wrong. Wrong about me, wrong about Americans and America, and wrong about the way men from all over the world cordially discuss things with each other here on BZ.

I consider this tangential matter closed, and with apologies to @Sharp-edge, I would direct everyone's attention back to the pressing question of the care and feeding of service Tops.

Edited January 28, 2020 by ErosWired