TIM lost its way?

[Pornlover]

On 8/2/2022 at 9:23 AM, mascperv4 said:

I agree with you. TIM used to be go to. But here as of late I can’t stand them. Even the models they use these days aren’t as exciting as they were in the past. TIM had a look all of its own and now they look just like all the others and I don’t think it’s the others looking like TIM. I used to like the models because they looked like real down to earth sex pigs. Now, not so much. Even the emotion is gone. Jesse had such a great smile that he genuinely looked like he was enjoying himself. Most guys today “i Am here for the cum shot to get paid”. 

Old school TIM was hot because it was just piggy sex… Never really cared what the guys looks like as long as the sex was hot. In fact if I’m in the mood for sleazy porn I find the average looking guys are hotter to watch. I’m pretty much getting off on the guys looking like they’re just in it to feel good and have fun. If I’m in the mood for jocks or muscle guys then I’d watch mainstream studio stuff.

[Truversebb]

While it’s true that it’s much harder for studios like TIM to stand out any longer with things like JFF out there it does not mean that they can’t. Simply put they have gotten lazy and complacent and still think that just their name and reputation are good enough. They can still remain very edgy and relevant. Perhaps Paul Morris can’t deal with the fact he can’t control and manipulate the models like he was reported to have done in years past, any longer?

[Pornlover]

4 hours ago, Truversebb said:

While it’s true that it’s much harder for studios like TIM to stand out any longer with things like JFF out there it does not mean that they can’t. Simply put they have gotten lazy and complacent and still think that just their name and reputation are good enough. They can still remain very edgy and relevant. Perhaps Paul Morris can’t deal with the fact he can’t control and manipulate the models like he was reported to have done in years past, any longer?

I think it was just a business decision. Going mainstream opened TIM up to a wider audience. 

[Pornlover]

I think the current JFF/OF bubble is going to burst if it hasn’t already started. Subbing for multiple creators is a costly venture and it’s harder for smaller creators to combat piracy. The market is already flooded with creators trying to cash in. Eventually the markets going to become too saturated to support the current model. Also the number of creators who are borderline if not outright scamming subscribers is also going to sour things. 

[ellentonboy]

Well there has been one upside to TiM, and that is I notice he used models that are new or "newish".  That may be because he is filming outside the US.  He probably can pay them less than their American counterparts, but that is just my cynical look at the business.  I know even in the states there have been many "One and done" performers who decided they don't want to do it again, and probably have valid reasons.

For viewers it has been nice to see fresh faces, or whatever, as opposed to TIM when he first started where I felt many of the performers were recycled from video to video.    I watched a lot of his porn when he first started, some of it was ah, a bit much, but it seems the rest of the industry has caught up with him.

[greenaxe]

From a production POV, The current product looks too clean. There are too many lights in the room, when they tried to copy mainstream lighting styles to keep up with 4k cameras they completely lost it. Its why Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher tanked with their 4k upgrades.  My favorite scenes is when then have a single camera light in a darkroom with handicam closeups of penetration and the models sweat. The prime TIM years where very visceral. "Sex-pigs in a man-tramp promised land." Was a good return to form with a good orgy scene with 1-2 cameras roaming between the models. They're overseas production is just as bad, but now with overhead fluorescent lighting which makes the scene worse. The only studios that has that original TIM style of filming right now is Hung Young Brit and sketchy sex.

[Guest]

On 7/26/2022 at 9:54 AM, hntnhole said:

T.I.M. is legendary, ground-breaking, standard-setting, and the goal of other gay porn producer to meet/exceed.  I'm not surprised that so many other companies went after TIM the way they have; that's basically a sound business-plan.  Sometimes the King of the niche (in whatever industry) gets knocked off the perch, sometimes they react quickly and break even more new ground. That's just the nature of being in business.  The thing is though, no one will ever take away what T.I.M. accomplished.  As far as I'm concerned, TIM shits crushed pineapple, and my hat is off to them.

I disagree a bit here. I think respect and acknowledgement should be paid to Hot Desert Knight. I think they were the first to put bareback sex on the map and unabashed and unashamed. I remember when “Bareback The Video”  came out and how controversial it was. I recall articles and op-Ed’s were written in gay papers about the danger of the film. I remember calls for boycotts. HDK, in my opinion, we’re the pioneers that led the way fro T.I.M. 
 

T.I.M. took HDK’s concept and pushed it a bit further & they were more successful than HDK in being more gay mainstream. What I’ve always enjoyed about HDK was that it presented gay sex in a way that I found was raw and real. It featured gay men doing sex the way we really do it. I loved they used mix of performers who people can relate to. They used regular guys, muscled guys. Many of the performers  were every day guys who meet, work with, and play with. I further enjoyed how they presented gay sex as a human need. While it was porn, it never came Off that way and read more like a bunch of men getting together to have fun and just do what comes naturally to us. Where HDK went wrong for me is when they changed their ways and went more into mainstream route and started to put out films that most studios were already doing. I think the change in direction coupled with internet piracy ruined it 
 

TIM was great but I never really got into it because something about it was a bit unauthentic and unrealistic to me. 

[Guest]

On 7/31/2022 at 8:08 PM, Pornlover said:

TIM is not what it was even 10 years ago. It’s just another studio these days. Someone definitely needs to set up a new studio that does more spontaneous gonzo style porn. Something along the lines of old school TIM, HDK, and other studios that were doing bareback porn before bareback porn was mainstream. Just average guys fucking in slutty scenarios. Lots of hot verbals. Lots of raw/bareback talk. Lots of sleazy bareback fucking.  

Something to keep in mind is that the internet changed the porn industry. First came the piracy which led to the videos/dvds becoming obsolete. They were expensive as it was and porn companies were making a killing. Once people were able to pirate it and post online, it killed the traditional model of porn. Porn companies then moved to the digital age but that didn’t help all that much as they couldn’t compete with the piracy, people making their OWN home video contents, and the multitudes of newer low budget production films that were competing with them. I think the nail on the porn coffin came when performers started to make their own contents via onlyfans. They no longer needed studios anymore as they can control what they do and make money on their own terms. These days performers use porn studios as just marketing for their own personal platform. I don’t think anyone can successfully replicants TIM & HDK and make money off of it. 

[Close2MyBro]

I stopped buying any TIM videos. It's all turned to trash. I don't enjoy watching a bunch of limp-dicked meth addicts try to fuck each other. So sad, used to be some of the hottest porn out there, and now amateur porn is more exciting than their stuff.

[SleazyCumPig]

I rarely watch TIM anymore because the one bottom with a bunch of tops scenes have gotten boring to me. I like seeing guys that fuck and get fucked, suck dick and get sucked, and everyone does everyone. Watching a guy take loads and then see him fucking another guy is hotter to me than watching a guy that only tops or only bottoms. 
And Damian Silver isn’t someone I find hot but as soon as he starts talking, I usually start stroking my dick. And I love that he gives and takes loads. 

[Guest]

They lost their way cause I’m not in their videos. Lol jk

[nastymontanaboy]

So, is there any other studios out there that have taking the bareback nasty crown from TIM?  or is everyone watching onlyfans?

[fuzzybttm]

On 7/26/2022 at 9:25 AM, leatherpunk16 said:

Exactly this. By being so successful with the formula that worked at the beginning, they painted themselves into a corner. There's simply nowhere else for them to go unless they start going to serious extremes that no logical or sane person would consider. I'm hesitant to name those, lest they be against the rules of BZ, or (worse) inspire someone to actually do it.

On the one hand I agree, and notwithstanding that I believe that TIM could find enough performers willing to do some truly insane things (that shant be named), there is the *should they* question as well.  At the same time though, what made TIM great (for me at least) wasn't the latest stunt per se (some like 1000 loads were cute but the gangbang that ensued wasn't the most inspired compared to the catalog, for instance), it was the commitment to pursuit of hedonistic debauchery in the portrayals that advanced the piggery.  I feel like more recent titles have the same quantities of dicks shooting loads in holes, but they haven't been able to find new talent that can exude the same degree of intensity.  And I think it's a problem across studios as well as a good percentage of fan sites, that there's a lot of talented tops and bottoms that can marathon fuck and visually produce great content, but it doesn't feel special or intense anymore.  TIM has lost its edge in consolidating pigs, not just barebackers.  Or that's how I view it.

[fuzzybttm]

In fairness to TIM, while I fully applaud the launch of non-studio endeavors and how it changes the playing field for performers, I think there is a link between the democratization of porn production and a decline in intensity, because the barriers to entry are so much lower to guys who are fabulous at sex, but perhaps less good at portraying sex.  Because ultimately porn isn't sex, it's performance through sex.

So the producers who are currently generating the most consistent product,  quality exciting porn, are the ones that are investing in repeat casting and not just treating fan site hookups like a bingo card or pokemon (gotta catch 'em all!).  This does tie back to points earlier raised by several folks, TIM isn't producing "household" names like Dawson or Christian any more, and with so many different filming countries it's even harder to find continuity.  But ultimately I think TIM is suffering because it's trying to out-compete RFC (which, with RFC Channels, is a losing game), and similar outfits.  FuckerMate, TimTales,  Lucas Entertainment, a lot of OF/JFF/4MF/etc...  they're all trying to push out the hottest bareback content, but very little of it has the edge or danger or sleaze or grime or sloppiness of what TIM's historically chased.  TIM needs to reconnect with its own standard.

[Samak76]

I’m a former TIM model and agree with so many things said. I will just add the following: until Paul and Max retire or dare to open up the brand to what is trending, they will fail.  And what’s successful right now besides the popular OF/JFF?  Fun Size Boys, Gaycest, Family Dick, etc.  You might notice a theme.  If they took 25% of their quickly out dating stars and put them with smaller younger guys that can get pounded hard, they’d be on to something. 
 

Look at what Austin Wolf is doing. He and Legrand are raking it in right now. 
 

But Paul and Max are stuck in the past.