per the South West border:

[hntnhole]

The President is contemplating another effort to deal with the border problems directly, it seems.  We already know that T. has forbidden the House to deal with it, so he can campaign (yet again  another wall that Mexico will pay for, maybe?) against the President, using the border issue. 

It's understandable that the President would like to be seen to be dealing with the mess, but how about dealing with the root-cause instead of just a bandage?  Why not mount a political campaign to deal with the governments of South America that have either failed, or in process of it, such that the citizens feel they have to run for their lives?  Yes, the "bandage" does need to be dealt with asap, but it seems that trying to rectify the root causes of this mass-migration would be a more effective and permanent solution. Perhaps Spain, the conquering nation of the South American Continent (then, entirely Papist in religious doctrine), could help in some way to reverse the mistakes of the past centuries. 

While I find it unacceptable that the little boy running the House these days pay any attention to the filth pouring out of the former President's foul mouth, what is, is.  I haven't researched what the US could actually accomplish, were this effort to begin, but it couldn't hurt to try.  I know that the diplomats are working overtime in the Levant, attempting to bring about some measure of relief to the uncountable starving, injured, homeless unfortunates in and around Rafah as well as the corpse of Gaza, but why not try something that might permanently (or semi, anyway) deal with the root causes of the mass migration in our hemisphere? 

One ancillary focus could be pressuring the R.C.C. about their stance on birth control, instead of NPF (natural family planning).  While NPF can be somewhat effective (from the female's perspective), it does little to curb the "God-given" prerogatives of the husband's "right" to pussy-on-demand.  

[BootmanLA]

While I agree addressing the root causes of the border issue would be most effective over the long haul, the reality is that in the short haul, there's an election coming up, and appearing to make no progress on the issue could result in a second Trump term.

I rather doubt Spain is interested either, given that it (like most of Europe) is dealing with its own migrant crisis from Africa and the Middle East.

Likewise, any effort to pressure the RCC on birth control is likely to be slow on producing results, if ever. Certainly not in time to deal with the current population. 

[hntnhole]

Well, I have to admit it was more of a 'wish-list" than an actual prediction.  Sometimes we just have to wait for decades for some negative construct to simply fade away.

[ytowndaddybear]

The root cause of the problem is twofold:  the USA meddling in the affairs of countries to overthrow any leftist goverment and US businesses and corporations knowingly hiring undocumented workers or using third party companies/brokers that provide false documents to undocumented workers.  Some jail time for corporate execs and and directors of said companies and corporations, say 1 year per undocumented worker for each VP and higher level executive and director, should do the trick.   BTW the US created this in the first place when the officialy created the Brazeros program during WWII to replace many of the men that went to war.

[ytowndaddybear]

As for Spain they do have a program established over 20 years ago of allowing any citizen of any former Spanish colony and even the banished Ashkenazi Jewish population to immigrate to Spain to live and work, and after just 5 years they can appply for Spanish citizenship.  The problem is that the destabilized governments of Central and South America won't issue the required documents (passports etc.) without substantial bribes or at all in some cases.  Again this is caused by the USA staging coups to take out leftist governments and then putting puppet dictators into power, ever hear of the School of the Americas?

[BootmanLA]

On 3/10/2024 at 4:55 PM, ytowndaddybear said:

The root cause of the problem is twofold:  the USA meddling in the affairs of countries to overthrow any leftist goverment and US businesses and corporations knowingly hiring undocumented workers or using third party companies/brokers that provide false documents to undocumented workers.  Some jail time for corporate execs and and directors of said companies and corporations, say 1 year per undocumented worker for each VP and higher level executive and director, should do the trick.   BTW the US created this in the first place when the officialy created the Brazeros program during WWII to replace many of the men that went to war.

There are other dimensions to the problem: for example, the lack of any sort of "guest worker" program where temporary migrant labor could cross to the US, work legitimately (such as for construction season or harvest season or whatever) and then return to their own countries.

In fact, we had a "de facto" such system for years, back when we didn't try to lock down the border quite so tight - working age men would leave their families, come to the US, work hard and long for several months, sending home most of their wages, then return home in the off seasons. As long as we winked at the problem, it wasn't really a problem.

When we locked down the border and also refused to create a guest worker program - something that has been part of every serious immigration reform package since I was a teen - we created the problems we have today. Migrant workers aren't willing to keep risking border crossings twice a year or more; if they make it, they stay, because they know they may not make it again. And because they're not going back, it incentivizes them to bring their families here, too (because no one, understandably, wants to be separated permanently from his loved ones).

[BootmanLA]

On 3/10/2024 at 5:01 PM, ytowndaddybear said:

As for Spain they do have a program established over 20 years ago of allowing any citizen of any former Spanish colony and even the banished Ashkenazi Jewish population to immigrate to Spain to live and work, and after just 5 years they can appply for Spanish citizenship.  The problem is that the destabilized governments of Central and South America won't issue the required documents (passports etc.) without substantial bribes or at all in some cases.  Again this is caused by the USA staging coups to take out leftist governments and then putting puppet dictators into power, ever hear of the School of the Americas?

Costa Ricans privately brag that their country is the only one in Central America that has never been invaded by the US and/or had a puppet regime installed to run it. Of course, that's partly because Costa Rica bent over backwards to be accommodating and welcoming to US interests even without CIA plots and the like.

And while the US's puppet governments have been a big part of the problem, US commercial interests - United Fruit Co. (now Chiquita) and Standard Fruit Co. (now Dole) owned whatever parts of the governments of most central American countries that the US government itself didn't control. In fact, a significant amount of America's military and para-military interventions in central America were to protect the commercial interests of these giant agribusinesses.

[DallasPozzible]

Also, the guns.

[think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2024-03-09/united-states-mexico-border-immigration-crisis-gun-control

Edited March 13 by DallasPozzible
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[Nude]

 

[ytowndaddybear]

Both Capitalist political parties supported this criminal family in gaining and staying in power to the detriment of the Honduran people and now to the detriment of the USA as well.   This is why I wont ever support any Republican or Democrat politicans ever!  Third party is the only viable future for humanity.

[think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/03/11/pkpd-m11.html

Edited March 14 by ytowndaddybear
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[NeedPOZseedInCT]

On 3/13/2024 at 12:19 PM, Nude said:

 

Just a reminder, Fox News is legally considered a parody television show because, per federal judges, "No reasonable person would confuse Fox programming for actual news", and therefore should be treated as such.

[NEDenver]

4 hours ago, NeedPOZseedInCT said:

Just a reminder, Fox News is legally considered a parody television show because, per federal judges, "No reasonable person would confuse Fox programming for actual news", and therefore should be treated as such.

Per Fox’s own lawyers, no reasonable person…

[BootmanLA]

On 3/13/2024 at 9:07 PM, ytowndaddybear said:

Both Capitalist political parties supported this criminal family in gaining and staying in power to the detriment of the Honduran people and now to the detriment of the USA as well.   This is why I wont ever support any Republican or Democrat politicans ever!  Third party is the only viable future for humanity.

[think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/03/11/pkpd-m11.html

Except of course for the pesky reality that no third party has won the presidency, ever, and none has won as much as a single electoral vote at the ballot box in over 50 years. To me that's like saying the only viable future for humanity is the magic sky fairy.

[BootmanLA]

On 3/13/2024 at 12:32 AM, BootmanLA said:

Costa Ricans privately brag that their country is the only one in Central America that has never been invaded by the US and/or had a puppet regime installed to run it. Of course, that's partly because Costa Rica bent over backwards to be accommodating and welcoming to US interests even without CIA plots and the like.

And while the US's puppet governments have been a big part of the problem, US commercial interests - United Fruit Co. (now Chiquita) and Standard Fruit Co. (now Dole) owned whatever parts of the governments of most central American countries that the US government itself didn't control. In fact, a significant amount of America's military and para-military interventions in central America were to protect the commercial interests of these giant agribusinesses.

I should have noted this too: the reason we call these kind of right-wing, US-sponsored dictatorships "banana republics" isn't because the governments are bananas; it's because the banana (and other fruit) companies, Dole and Chiquita, effectively ran the countries for decades with US support.

[Nude]