Joe Biden was an absolute freaking *disaster* for gay ppl

[topblkmale]

4 hours ago, SomewhereonNeptune said:

Obama did it too. Obama also deported more illegal aliens than several other recent Presidents and started the family separation protocols, but this isn't something that our American media likes to cover. (And yes, I can find the stats on both).

This is not entirely true. Bathhouse Barry included ‘turn arounds’ in his deportation numbers. 

 

[TaKinGDeePanal]

6 hours ago, viking8x6 said:

Given the original post, I suppose I should not be surprised by that.

... or the poster ...

[SomewhereonNeptune]

8 hours ago, viking8x6 said:

Errr.... and these are related... HOW?

This discussion, um, argument... free-for-all? ... appears to have jumped the shark. Given the original post, I suppose I should not be surprised by that.

"There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain.

I think my response was trying to capture the essence of deportations by President, and might not have done so well in that effort. So here are a couple infographics to illustrate.

They capture slightly periods, and the whole discussion digressed, but I was trying to close off the point and hopefully these help.

1 hour ago, TaKinGDeePanal said:

... or the poster ...

Actually, I think the poster has engaged a different cross-section of participation. I mean it somehow got me contributing and I know my views don't represent the larger group here in most cases. Not an easy task given he's in the UK and this is a very American topic. "Cut him some slack. Jack." 🙂 

 

 

 

[Erik62]

10 hours ago, harrysmith25 said:

S

o you're now saying, I'll be allowed to have sex with another guy with a big beard dressed in a long white skirt?

And if we want alcohol to make it feel less shit, we'll have to go to Mars and hope there's some there?
(I don't actually believe your hysterically hilarious idea Islam is "changing" in any way, I just thought I'd reply anyway)

IF Islamic moderates come to a greater level of inclusivity, then YES, M2M sex will be accepted & may even become an Islamic diktat. 

  I would also bring to your attention that A SKIRT is an item of dress (female) that is banded at the waist & extends to a variety of lengths, below mid-thigh. A dress (female) is an item that is in ONE PIECE extending from the neck to various lengths below mid-thigh. 

  As a non-Muslim, I do not know the correct term used for an Islamic males attire. I therefore describe it as a "CAFTAN" style. 

[TaKinGDeePanal]

36 minutes ago, SomewhereonNeptune said:

"There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain.

I think my response was trying to capture the essence of deportations by President, and might not have done so well in that effort. So here are a couple infographics to illustrate.

They capture slightly periods, and the whole discussion digressed, but I was trying to close off the point and hopefully these help.

Actually, I think the poster has engaged a different cross-section of participation. I mean it somehow got me contributing and I know my views don't represent the larger group here in most cases. Not an easy task given he's in the UK and this is a very American topic. "Cut him some slack. Jack." 🙂 

 

 

 

He has a history of being a d**k towards most of the membership here

[tallslenderguy]

19 hours ago, tallslenderguy said:

t" ("absolute, freaking *disaster*") fail as "sound" because of the exceptions that can usually be found on both sides of an argument.  i think in an ideal debate, both sides are open to seeing the other point of view. i think we are often largely polarized to the degree that we lose the benefits of opposing view points.

i'm not a Biden fan. i'm less of a Trump fan. But neither Biden or Trump was/is in complete control, though Trump seems to be pushing hard on that with executive orders.  i think it would be easier to demonstrate that the Biden administration was more LGBQT friendly than the Trump administration currently is. Whether or not he is pandering, i don't know, but Trump has signed some distinctively anti LGBQT executive orders.  i didn't see any from Biden's hand?

Tourists flying in to Florida do not deal with Trump directly, but all those in charge set a tone. i think it would be easier to argue that it's easier for a government representative  to be anti foreigner in the Trump era than it would have been in the Biden era.

Look hard enough, and one can  find a picture of a young guy tripping on stairs. Can one "sound[ly] argue"  that's because of their 'young guy ways?' Or if a young man makes an absolutist argument using stereotypes based on age, it's because of pitiful young man ways? 

 

This was unintentionally lined out, but was not able to edit it out, so to avoid confusion, think of it as having no lines through it lol.

[tallslenderguy]

8 hours ago, Erik62 said:

IF Islamic moderates come to a greater level of inclusivity, then YES, M2M sex will be accepted & may even become an Islamic diktat. 

 

Right?  Religions evolve and shift about in the context of their various environments. Islam started seven centuries after Christianity.  Christianity morphed from Judaism, but started out as a Jewish religion.  Judaism was around about 1500-2000 years prior to Christianity.  

Infidel,  by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, is ( i think) a profound autobiography of a woman raised in Islam, who as the title implies, made her way out of her cultural conditioning.  Reading her story, i was struck by the similarities of mindset between her fundamentalist Islamic religious cultural upbringing and my fundamentalist Christian religious cultural upbringing.  Judaism, Christianity and Islam all have fundamentalist sects, and they all have more liberal denominations and members.  A quick google search will produce an example of gay Islamic Imam(s?).

I think it's often the absolutist approach causes the unbridgeable divides between people.  The original post used the word "absolute"  when describing Biden's effect on "gay ppl."  Describes Biden as a "fucking vegetable," then asks for a "sound counterargument." 

 

 

[harrysmith25]

10 hours ago, Erik62 said:

IF Islamic moderates come to a greater level of inclusivity, then YES, M2M sex will be accepted & may even become an Islamic diktat. 

  I would also bring to your attention that A SKIRT is an item of dress (female) that is banded at the waist & extends to a variety of lengths, below mid-thigh. A dress (female) is an item that is in ONE PIECE extending from the neck to various lengths below mid-thigh. 

  As a non-Muslim, I do not know the correct term used for an Islamic males attire. I therefore describe it as a "CAFTAN" style. 

no, none of us do, why would we want to spend time learning that boring shit when there's loads of porn on the internet?

(And saunas)

Instead of that why dont you just tell us the name of one single gay dude who's ever got anything in return for saying "OOOH WE NEED TO HUG THESE MISUNDERSTOOD DEZERT PPLS".

Edited Wednesday at 02:31 PM by harrysmith25

[SlampaBay]

On 5/16/2025 at 10:43 PM, SomewhereonNeptune said:

With all due respect, do you have data to support that assertion? We don't seem to be in an inflationary chasm if you consider that the latest numbers now show the lowest rate in 4 years. I would like to better understand where the data shows that the economy was in sorrier shape from first to last day in office. We should also note that no one has really probed the Hunter Biden laptop where it depicted "10% for the big guy" and cut a series of other percentages. Did he profit? Not yet proven true or false, but lots of data to review if DOJ is inclined.

Interesting side topic, though.

The spending habit that we entered during the prior administration was marked by passage of new spending and continuation of a lack of fiscal oversight, where DOGE depicted some significant flaws in how the federal government actually tracks things like payments (they didn't very much) and lax accounting controls. We also allocated a LOT for things like the Infrastructure Bill ($1.2 trillion) and can't point to very much in the way of projects to which the monies were allocated. 

It could be argued that the additional spending was done pretty quickly and required the Federal Reserve to print money, thereby causing dilution that in turn spiked inflation in consumer prices. To counteract that, The Fed then decided that cooling inflation required raising interest rates, which in turn has had a chilling impact on the affordability of housing. It also froze the hiring market since companies couldn't predict how markets would expand or contract, so there are a lot of people that have been out of work and since fallen off the unemployment rolls. My own livelihood certainly took a hit and many others haven't recovered from that completely.

In the classic sense, we didn't hit a traditional recession, but the economic indicators don't seem to paint a rosy picture of his stewardship. And prior to the election in '24, every single poll reflected that a majority of the electorate felt the economy had suffered during his administration, or that respondents had more confidence in Trump from an economic standpoint. I'll grant that the entirety wasn't his handiwork, but his cabinet and handlers weren't as focused on economics as they were on other concerns. 

 

Not in an inflationary chasm?!  Have you been to a grocery store recently? Or pretty much any store? And I'm not talking about major purchases such as automobiles. Meanwhile discretionary income has shrunk for all but the wealthiest individuals and not only here in the U.S.

If you can't see any work on  infrastructure then you aren't looking. Everywhere I go highways, bridges, airports-- upgrades or replacements all across the country.

Edited 22 hours ago by SlampaBay

[seaguy]

The MAGA crowd sure is prone to lying and delusions.  This post meets both of those.  Trump has already set the LGBTQ community back years.  Even Helen Keller can see that!

[harrysmith25]

14 hours ago, seaguy said:

The MAGA crowd sure is prone to lying and delusions.  This post meets both of those.  Trump has already set the LGBTQ community back years.  Even Helen Keller can see that!

So what year are we in now?

My emails tell me we're still in a year that has PREP!

[SomewhereonNeptune]

15 hours ago, SlampaBay said:

Not in an inflationary chasm?!  Have you been to a grocery store recently? Or pretty much any store? And I'm not talking about major purchases such as automobiles. Meanwhile discretionary income has shrunk for all but the wealthiest individuals and not only here in the U.S.

If you can't see any work on  infrastructure then you aren't looking. Everywhere I go highways, bridges, airports-- upgrades or replacements all across the country.

So let me reiterate:

We don't seem to be in an inflationary chasm if you consider that the latest numbers now show the lowest rate in 4 years. 

The consumer price index "rose" by the lowest rate. That is a far sight better than the 9% inflation we were experiencing under Biden. I agree that the prices for ordinary goods has risen since 2021 and discretionary incomes have fallen as a result. No disputing that. That seems to have abated in the past several months. Even the pesky price of eggs has fallen considerably -- I paid about $3.49 the other day, that was closer to $6 or $7 even a couple months ago. 

As for highways, bridges, etc., much of that work actually pre-dates the infrastructure bill. You're in Tampa. You see the work being done on I-275, but that's been the case since I first came down here in '04. And we've gotten a lot done on I-4, but not all of that was infrastructure bill either. I previously cited one project that proudly had a sign that it was funded by the infrastructure bill: ADA curbing on a busy street and sidewalk in a residential area north of Orlando where most people travel by car and there's nothing to walk to in close proximity. And the sign reminded me of that episode of The Office where they spent most of the money on the oversized check. If things are being funded by the bill, they needed to communicate that better or have printed diamond signs that depicted it.

[Bimarried001]

I’m so happy that we now have an honest non corrupt president that will guarantee the rights of gay people.