Top FDA Official and Doctor Never Took COVID Vaccine

[nanana]

[think before following links] https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/top-fda-official-discloses-she-never-received-covid-19-vaccine

[brnbk]

She never stated if she has ever tested positive for CoVID or not.

My suspicion  is that she would have been infected with COVID at some point and given her training as a preventative medicine doctor figured she already had enough immunity that the average CoVID shot would give her and so skipped the general shots.

Experts can make themselves look like us average folks but it is important to read between the lines. 

 

[nanana]

Hi @brnbk,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  I saw her speak, and her concern was for the effect of the MRNA vaccine on her pregnancy and her fetus.  She also was a strong advocate of medical freedom and believed that each of us owns our own health, and that doctors are advisors but do not get to take over our health choices.  

If your suspicion is correct, this would still put her at odds with the US Federal guidance of that era that natural immunity is inferior to the Pfizer or Moderna shot.  

Can you help explain how you are making sense of whether or not she already had COVID?  I agree with you that it is important to read between the lines, but I  am having a hard connecting the dots on your hypothesis.  

Thank you! 

[tallslenderguy]

The hospital where i work opened a dedicated Covid unit the first week of February 2020, i have >1600 hours caring for Covid+ patients, i had the hospitals first Covid patient.  It was a new virus that rapidly mutated, and much of our understanding based on evidence is retrospective, because there simply was not any long term study evidence on a new virus to be had.  I was the second person to get the vaccine at our hospital in December 2020. I did not make the decision easily, but after a year of watching patients die, with still little understanding or treatment available, i opted for the vaccine. Of course, there was only short term evidence available. Really, it was pretty amazing that a vaccine was available so early on.  i knew first hand the risk of the variant we were dealing with at the time, and i knew of the potential risks of the vaccine. Neither was an easy choice, but i opted for the vaccine, and have had several boosters since. The current variants are more akin to the flu than the original Covid variants, they are less virulent, so the decision to get vaccinated now against Covid, to me, is similar to deciding on a flu vaccine.

When the first vaccine came out, we still did not know how much immunity having had the disease would confer, so a decision to opt out of the vaccine when it came out would have been speculative.  Given the efficacy of the vaccine, and our current knowledge of the virus, the virus does not confer immunity after being infected. The vaccine prevents or lessens severity of infection. When the first couple iterations of the vaccine came out, the delta variant of the covid virus was still particularly deadly, usually because it evoked a cytokine response that would overwhelm and essentially drown it's victims in cement ("cytokine storm"). I have not seen this severe of a response in the more recent infections, most of the people hospitalized (far fewer) have co-morbidities that put them more at risk. 

 

[BlueSaphir]

Any doctors or medical professionals who are against it, I would put a side eye on them. 
My health care professional from all specialties within City of Hope advocate everyone to get the vaccine. I have total of three. And I am still healthy and not having any complications from the vaccines. 

[brnbk]

On 5/21/2025 at 1:52 PM, nanana said:

Hi @brnbk,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  I saw her speak, and her concern was for the effect of the MRNA vaccine on her pregnancy and her fetus.  She also was a strong advocate of medical freedom and believed that each of us owns our own health, and that doctors are advisors but do not get to take over our health choices.  

If your suspicion is correct, this would still put her at odds with the US Federal guidance of that era that natural immunity is inferior to the Pfizer or Moderna shot.  

Can you help explain how you are making sense of whether or not she already had COVID?  I agree with you that it is important to read between the lines, but I  am having a hard connecting the dots on your hypothesis.  

Thank you! 

Apologies for the late reply, nanana. 

To begin, I find her to be a very strange women medical person. Her philosophical belief that doctors are "advisors" like some kind of beauty advisors is a very inaccurate view of medicine. Most of the time it is the doctors who have to make decisions - diagnosis, treatment etc - based on the body of knowledge we called modern medicine. Yes, there are situations where a patient's choice is involved but those are rather limited and even in such cases,  doctors do have to inform the patient of the entire scenario and the consequences of their choices so that they can make informed decision. Most of us don't really have the choice of  not vaccination simply because if we don't vaccinate against known vaccinable diseases we run the risk of spreading them to others

my suspicion that she already did get CoVID is based on observing the general behaviours of people who are hostile to vaccines like JFK and even certain Fox News Stars during the CoVID pandemic. While they where spreading anti vaccine sentiment and views, most of them privately did get vaccinated. JFK when questioned if he would get his children vaccinated replied probably. If he really thought vaccines where so harmful, would he really get his children vaccinated? I find it hard to believe that someone like her who has studied, according to the article, preventative medicine as doctor with expertise in nanotechnology would not understand the importance of vaccines in preventing pandemics and diseases. 

I find her argument more on the lines of, I am going to stop drinking water coz water these days is said to contain microplastics. 

[nanana]

On 5/27/2025 at 8:33 PM, brnbk said:

Her philosophical belief that doctors are "advisors" like some kind of beauty advisors is a very inaccurate view of medicine. Most of the time it is the doctors who have to make decisions - diagnosis, treatment etc - based on the body of knowledge we called modern medicine.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this @brnbk. I bet you describe the default, but is it as it should be? To take an extreme example, is it my doctor’s job to write my living Will? I think Most people would agree that it is not a doctors role to make your choices for you. I see it more as a collaborative model where the doctor may have strong recommendations (e.g., prescriptions, but those recommendations don’t usurp your bodily autonomy. I bet doctor-patient relationships fall all over the spectrum as to how long a leash patients give their doctors. I know I think My doctor is there for ME, I am not there for my doctor.  Interested to see how others view their doctors’ roles…

[Erik62]

On 5/30/2025 at 9:47 AM, nanana said:

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this @brnbk. I bet you describe the default, but is it as it should be? To take an extreme example, is it my doctor’s job to write my living Will? I think Most people would agree that it is not a doctors role to make your choices for you. I see it more as a collaborative model where the doctor may have strong recommendations (e.g., prescriptions, but those recommendations don’t usurp your bodily autonomy. I bet doctor-patient relationships fall all over the spectrum as to how long a leash patients give their doctors. I know I think My doctor is there for ME, I am not there for my doctor.  Interested to see how others view their doctors’ roles…

The bottom line being: NO INDIVIDUAL has the right to make, act upon or advise ANY action that has ANY EFFECT on others outside of their own personal bodies. 

  YES, the choice to have any vaccine is yours but, stay at home in a sterile compound & spend your life their. 

    I would also go so far as to say that any parent who refuses to vaccinate their children & that child then suffers an adverse or fatal consequences from not being vaccinated - that should then be classified as - CHILD ABUSE or PEDICIDE. 

[nanana]

5 minutes ago, Erik62 said:

I would also go so far as to say that any parent who refuses to vaccinate their children & that child then suffers an adverse or fatal consequences from not being vaccinated - that should then be classified as - CHILD ABUSE or PEDICIDE. 

How do you feel about kids who die of vaccine injuries, or get pericarditis or myocarditis? Should parents be punished for forcing their children to be injured?

[nanana]

16 minutes ago, Erik62 said:

stay at home in a sterile compound & spend your life their. 

BTW HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT, go fuck yourself if you think you have the right to put people in sterile compounds, you should have had a pink star on your assface and gotten locked up for being a stupid faggot.  

[Erik62]

1 hour ago, nanana said:

How do you feel about kids who die of vaccine injuries, or get pericarditis or myocarditis? Should parents be punished for forcing their children to be injured?

The percentage of death from non vaccination is exponentially higher than in children who are vaccinated. When you talk about deaths in nonvaccinated children, it is not just one child dying. The death toll must also include others nonvaccinated & those very few vaccinated who mayhave other medical issues that reduce a vaccines efficacy. 

 

1 hour ago, nanana said:

BTW HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT, go fuck yourself if you think you have the right to put people in sterile compounds, you should have had a pink star on your assface and gotten locked up for being a stupid faggot.  

I did not say that AT ALL. I did say that if people WISH to be nonvaccinated then they should stay at home. Not only for the protection of others but also for their own protection. 

  IF you are going to interpreted people's statements then please put some consideration into understanding what the words, in front of you, are actually saying. 

[nanana]

14 hours ago, nanana said:

BTW HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT, go fuck yourself if you think you have the right to put people in sterile compounds, you should have had a pink star on your assface and gotten locked up for being a stupid faggot.

Sorry Erik62. And all. That was an amygdala hijack. I apologize for the outburst. I do Stand by the view that the initial comment was really inappropriate, but mine was more inappropriate especially if I wish to model civil behavior.