Sane Discussion about insanity

[tallslenderguy]

Power, wealth and strength can be used to promote peace, goodness, kindness, inclusion, and promote prosperity for all. It can also be used to promote war, destruction, greed, self centeredness, hate, and robbing others of freedom. The world does not need more Putins, Xi Jinping's, Kim Jong Un's or Trumps. Bullies are not "strong men." They are weak and immature and we the people can either enable them or speak out and vote against them. We cannot afford to be exhausted by the onslaught of evil.

 

[Olderkinkybiguy]

Evil, the unseen power, is the true enemy. The puppets of evil give it a face, the representatives,  that evil needs to manifest. Puppets come and go. The true power hides and recruits its representatives/replacements. Unity and commitment is our only light. 

[tallslenderguy]

53 minutes ago, Olderkinkybiguy said:

Evil, the unseen power, is the true enemy. The puppets of evil give it a face, the representatives,  that evil needs to manifest. Puppets come and go. The true power hides and recruits its representatives/replacements. Unity and commitment is our only light. 

i agree that much of evil power and influence flies below the radar, but all of these "puppets" have volition, they are not simple wooden marionettes with no will of their own... they are complicit participants. 

[Olderkinkybiguy]

31 minutes ago, tallslenderguy said:

i agree that much of evil power and influence flies below the radar, but all of these "puppets" have volition, they are not simple wooden marionettes with no will of their own... they are complicit participants. 

Yes, but simply defeating the puppets will not bring change in and of itself. It’s like having a water leak and focusing solely on removing the water without also determining the cause and to eliminate the entire problem. But absolutely, those who trade humanity for wealth/power are guilty all the same. 

[tallslenderguy]

15 minutes ago, Olderkinkybiguy said:

Yes, but simply defeating the puppets will not bring change in and of itself. It’s like having a water leak and focusing solely on removing the water without also determining the cause and to eliminate the entire problem. But absolutely, those who trade humanity for wealth/power are guilty all the same. 

It seems to me you are making the same point,  just using a different analogy.   Senators, judges, congresspeople,  etc., are not "puppets" or "water," they are human beings that can choose at any given moment to do the right or wrong thing.  Much can be done, and needs to be done, with election reform, but people can decide to change at any given moment.  i do think there are honest people who want to do the right thing (i'm not talking party affiliation here). i do think it's possible to have honest and sincere representation.  

Of course, all people are flawed, and we can always find the flaws. i think MTG is a good example. Many of those who do not agree with her politics, still applauded her speaking up against trump and what he's doing... and she could easily be identified as one of his former "puppets."  But she really was never a puppet, she was complicit and then decided (for whatever reasons) to not be complicit anymore.   

One think i am hopeful about the current mess is that 'we the people' will be more awake and engaged in our government. At the end of the day,  i believe it is we the people who will decide on whether our government represents us or the would be puppeteers.