12 hours ago, drscorpio said:

A bottom who let's someone breed them because that top lied about their status after the bottom made it clear he was not willing to take poz loads has been victimized.

This is the first time I hear a bottom getting off a sling with a load in his hole described as a victim, especially in this site. I'm very surprised.

And if you consider HIV in this equation, infection may not even occur. Where the fuck is the victim?

12 hours ago, drscorpio said:

 I just want all of you who are banging the "personal responsibility" drum to accept that it goes both ways. 

Yes, you are right. Personal responsibility goes both ways because everyone has to be responsible for themselves and not blame someone else if something happens.

On 2017-04-28 at 3:00 PM, zyx11 said:

So what if that's why guys oppose anon stealthing for that reason? These people want to minimize their risk in having anonymous sex - they are actively taking steps to reduce that risk by using protection, attempting to serosort or both of these things - and then someone else decides to ignore their wishes and force risky behavior on them. 

You are confirming what I wrote earlier:

On 2017-04-28 at 2:40 PM, hungry_hole said:

I'm convinced that some guys who oppose anon stealthing do so out of the frustration that "safe anon sex" is virtually impossible. They would like to go to a bathhouse, get on a sling and have only HIV-negative guys fuck them and breed their hole. And if a horny poz guys shows up, they want the poz guy to say "I'm sorry, but I'm poz and I don't want to infect you". So naive!

Being able to safely have anon bareback sex ain't gonna happen because of many reasons. Demonizing stealthing and denouncing it as a horrible human trait is not going to stop HIV-negative guys from pozing.

I'm not poz but I think it's unfair to place the responsibility on poz guys when there are so many guys who don't want to test for HIV so that they can keep saying that they are HIV-negative.

On 2017-04-29 at 0:18 AM, drscorpio said:

What you are doing is blaming the victim, and that is never okay.

I know we live in an era where everyone wants to be a victim, but I'm sorry, a guy on a public sling who offers his ass to others but as long as they are "clean" is not a victim. Even if a HVL poz guy breds the bottom's hole it does not mean that the bottom will get infected. The only thing that is certain is that when that poz top pulls out the bottom will be in heaven when he touches his sloppy hole. Is that a victim?

On 2017-04-28 at 4:35 PM, pozpig said:

When it comes to anon scenes, respect anything your top/bottom wants.

We will more often hear about guys who condemn stealthing because I doubt poz guys who are occasionally into anon-stealthing would have the guts to comment on their experiences. Some poz guy who stops at the bathhouse after the bars are closed, he's horny and a bit tipsy, and wants to breed some hole. A hot bottom catches his attention, he walks into his room and the bottom hands him a condom. The top says "I only bareback" and the bottom asks for his status and the top lies and says he's HIV negative. He dumps his load and leaves.

A very hot scene and in my opinion a totally acceptable behavior because first, the bottom may not even infect with HIV. Second, if he lets this poz guy breed his hole, there is a big chance that the bottom is already poz. It shows already how irresponsible the bottom is, if he wants to stay HIV negative. This particular case, in one phrase "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY" which could mean go on PrEP. But do something instead of assuming that all your slutty bottom fantasies will be realized because you will only take cum from HIV-negative guys.

On 2017-04-28 at 1:57 PM, zyx11 said:

When fulfilling your fetishes involves another person, consent comes into play.

The issue of  lack of consent keeps coming up. But the problem I see is that as soon as one enters a bathhouse one is implicitly giving consent but a consent that is not well defined in anyone's mind. Outside in the street we all agree and have rules, no one will approach me and grab my cock. In a bathhouse we give consent be be touched and some extend that consent in order to fulfill their fetishes and needs. I'm not going to spend money and walk into a place that resembles the outside world.

Anon-stealthing is totally avoidable by the HIV-negative guy. All it takes is for the HIV-negative guy to stay away from barebacking with strangers. And because anon-steathing is avoidable and preventable anon-stealthing situations are not as horrible as some here have said.

Anon-stealthing is also very important for those HIV-negative bottoms who are toying with the idea of chasing and taking risks turns them on. We read many of these stories here. Anon sex is such a powerful experience for so many men, and all the action in bathhouses and darkrooms is such a big turn-on, that I dislike the idea of censoring something preventable like anon-stealthing, and thus denying some who want to on occasion live the experience of stealthing.

44 minutes ago, zyx11 said:

These scenarios are not as far removed from each other as you think. The other partner in an anonymous scenario is just as much of a human being as a lover or person you know better.

I like anonymous sex precisely because the guys in the cruising area are not people but bodies for me to enjoy. If I want to suck cock and some guy want to suck mine, I move to the next guy. I don't do that when I'm having sex with another human being as you say and I would have to adapt my needs to my partner's needs. It's all fine when I'm in the mood to share my sexuality. But if I want to basically have sex with myself but with cocks and holes available for my pleasure instead of jerking off at home, I go to a cruising-for-sex place (bathhouse, darkroom, gloryholes).

For me anon sex is all about my needs, my fetishes and no one else's. I'm sure most guys into anon sex feel this way too. And both kinds of sex are so different that if I see someone I know at a bathhouse, it screws things up for me because now there is someone in the that I have to look at him as a person. I then no longer interested in sex.

Anon sex is it's own beast.

44 minutes ago, zyx11 said:

In fact, you are kind of tacitly admitting some level of guilt over these activities. It seems to me that you don't support stealthing people you know (at least partially) because you can be caught or may be forced to observe the consequences a stealther inflicts on the other party. 

I accept anon stealthing because infection is totally preventable and it's up to the HIV- guy. The way to avoid HIV infection is to get to know your sexual partners and discuss with them their STD tests results and both sexual behaviour.

There's no point in condemning anon stealthing because no matter how much it's demonized, it won't go away. The solution is for HIV- guys who wanna stay negative not to place themselves in a possible anon stealthing situation.

I'm convinced that some guys who oppose anon stealthing do so out of the frustration that "safe anon sex" is virtually impossible. They would like to go to a bathhouse, get on a sling and have only HIV-negative guys fuck them and breed their hole. And if a horny poz guys shows up, they want the poz guy to say "I'm sorry, but I'm poz and I don't want to infect you". So naive!

4 minutes ago, zyx11 said:

I personally find stealthing to be an incredibly hot fantasy, but genuine, actual stealthing is very unethical in my opinion.

You are not mentioning the situation in which the stealthing occurs so I must assume that you condemn all kinds of stealthing, including in anonymous situations.

6 minutes ago, zyx11 said:

Sex is a two-way exchange which requires the consent of both parties -

When I'm at a bathhouse or a darkroom I'm not concerned at ALL about the other guys around me, so it's not a two-way exchgange. I'm there to fulfill MY fetishes, whatever they are, including stealthing if it applied to me. Why would a horny poz guy who goes to a bathhouse after bars close be concerned about ethical issues like consent? He's drunk and horny and if he wants to fuck and breed some hot hole in one of the rooms of the bathhouse, he'll lie if he needs to.

Even in countries where it's illegal to lie about your HIV status it would be pretty difficult to bring charges against a guys who stealthed. How can one bring charges to an anonymous breeder?

I think we all agree that stealthing someone who is known, like a love or a date, is not right. So, can we restrict the discussion to anonymous stealthing where the guy being stealthed bares some responsibility?

At some point I thought I was only after the load but really, some guys fuck so nicely that I really enjoy the pounding. Obviously, getting the load gives it a good finale.

For me, whether or not stealthing is wrong depends on the situation. The more anonymous the situation, the more acceptable If find stealthing is.

If a slutty bottom is on a sling at a bathhouse and before each guy fucks him he asks them "Are you clean?", then I see nothing wrong if the top fucks him and dumps his toxic load in the bottom's hole. It would be like leaving your car with the keys in the ignition and running and then complain because someone stole it.  No, there is something to be said about personal responsibility.

In other circumstances, where guys chat, get together for coffee, and treat each other as human beings and not just cocks and holes, then I find stealthing to be inappropriate.

So, is stealthing morally OK? It all depends.

At least in my area, I now see in Craigslist many guys advertising their private gloryhole they have at home. Years ago my gloryhole was the only one and for about 10 years I had a constant stream of guys coming by, some ongoing visitors to my GH.

Are there now more Private Gloryholes being advertised in your area?

On 2017-04-17 at 9:08 AM, kinky_hot said:

But all this leaves me here. Where do I go next? Whats is going to be my next thrill or fetish?

What about stopping the Meds and getting into stealthing anon negative holes? Some poz guys get into this fetish...

While I'm getting fucked I let the top do it the way he wants it. Some tops like to pull out to avoid shooting to quickly while others like to pull out, stick the tip of their cock, etc, and that's OK with me. It's only once I realize the top is getting ready to shoot that I encourage him to go deep, usually by whispering "Go deep when you start shooting your load". It sometimes turns the top on and he cum quickly but saying that to the top makes it clear to him that I want his load deep in my hole.

On 2017-04-19 at 9:02 PM, TagBoy87 said:

Last month I got stealthed by this guy at the bath house. 

He removed the condom he insisted in using while I was not watching and than proceeded to cum in me.

We tend to assume that all stealthers are Poz but I think that guys stealth because bareback feels better that shooting inside a condom. I can't even remember when was the last time I came inside a condom but I used to hate it. So many times getting stealthed does not mean you will get pozed (apart from the fact thet HIV is not easy to transmit).

A bit outside the topic:

On 2017-04-19 at 9:02 PM, TagBoy87 said:

When I found out for some reason instead of being angry I decided to immediately suck he's cock and than let him breed me a second time raw.

When I read accounts like this I'm more convinced that stealthing in cruising-for-sex places should be a valid alternative not to be demonized.

I like

On 4/16/2017 at 5:46 PM, Bob123456 said:

Okay, where do I start?  Well, let me say I'm struggling at the moment as far as my sexuality is concerned.  I know I'm straight, but the thought of gay sex is really turning me on.

There is an issue of semantic because words like "gay" and "straight" have very ambiguous meanings. Many guys think of themselves as gay because they like to suck cock or they get turned on more by men's bodies. But the problem is that the need to suck cock or getting turned on by men's bodies can have other explanations.  I like the interpretation of sex that safestsex.org has on their website: http://safestsex.org/aboutmen-en.php

In  my opinion, the biggest problem for married men who wanna try sex with men  are STDs, all of them, not only HIV.

6 hours ago, Mamabicho said:

I think it's pretty obvious that some guys aren't really cumslut bottoms, but just think they are, or want to think they are.

These are mostly younger guys who are looking for specific type of guy to fuck them. I find guys like this in bathhouses, door open, on their stomach, but you hear the "No thanks" when you walk in and touch their lubed hole. I never find older slutty bottoms who are not picky, mostly the younger ones.

2 hours ago, TattPig said:

This has nothing to do with do with resistance.

I think the resistance may be related with skipping a dose if he is infected because of the missing dose and he continues to take Truvada. I'm not sure though.

I found this video with a collection of bottoms cumming while they get fucked. I didn't think I would enjoy it but I did!

"Buncha Bottoms Cumming"

http://www.xtube.com/video-watch/Buncha-Bottoms-Cumming-26390141

On 2017-04-10 at 8:50 PM, KptNLine said:

When I have sex or watch porn I am super focused on what's being said. Good, sexy dialogue turns me on and if the dialogue has a Dom/sub angle to it, even better. I discovered this site and specifically this file:

Not only the dialogue but also what the tops says and the sounds he makes as he shoots his load in what I know is my hole. Audio recording is easier to hide than video and as KptNLine says, some audios can be real hot.  I have a few cassette tapes with audio from anon fuck sessions I had years ago. I have some newer ones which are digital and I get really turned on when I hear them. I used to take the recorder to the bathhouse and record the action in my room.

Yesterday I attended my first Cumunion party at sauna GI-Joe in Montreal (Canada). I rented a room with a sling. As I usually do, I used my English and French versions of my glow-in-the dark signs "Cream my Hole". As guys walked by the room they would see me sitting on a low stool with a black leather hood and the glowing signs hanging on the wall behind me. I thought it would be important to stress the fact I was into bareback given that Cumunion was going on.

I took a few loads in my mouth but some guys would suggest we move to the sling and I knew that while I sucked them they could read the signs. The guy that I enjoyed the most was a daddy type with a very nice uncut cock (many uncut cocks in Montreal, because of the Catholic influence) who delivered a beautiful load in my ass while he growled which was music in my ears.  I also had a lot of fun in the gloryhole area which was very crowded. I later a few times jumped on one of the public slings and spent some quality time and took a few loads. I ended up being a big slut and I know it was risk, but too much fun.

On 2017-04-11 at 11:26 AM, Strongbow42 said:

I finally went to a Cumunion! In Toronto at Steamworks last night. To be completely honest, it was just OK. I've had better nights there on non-Cumunion nights. Maybe the Friday night ones are better than the Monday evening ones.

I went to my first Cumunion which took place at the sauna GI-Joe in Montreal. An I wasn't impressed because I saw more condoms being used that I've ever seen at a bathhouse.

I still don't see what's so good about Cumunion parties because I didn't see anything different from a regular night at the sauna. I've been many times at the GI-Joe and Cumunion looked like a regular night.

I think I mentioned this in another thread. Many tops love a sloppy hole already loaded with some other guy's load. The bottom may be HIV- but one of those loads could potentially infect the top.

On 2017-04-12 at 3:23 PM, constructionguy said:

Guys continually ask why married [straight] guys hook up with fags. After all, if they get it on with another guy are they really "straight"?

Whenever someone says to me "You must be gay because you prefer to have sex with men" I remind them that it's no really that I am "attracted" to men but more to the way men like having sex: anonymous, NSA, fetishes, group and drama-free action (no jealousy or shit like that). Love may be involved, but it will be more like the bottom falling in-love with the top as his hole is being pumped with a load. A very temporary feeling of love, but still love.

I remember once being at a cruising park and making out with some random guy. He said to me "You turn me on so much!" I reached down and noticed he had a raging hard-on. I then realized how hot it is to get a real life touchable object, the hard-on, that proves the statement "You turn me on so much!" From a woman, I would have to take her word because the kind of feedback that the body of a woman can give will never equal a hard-on. Why can't a "straight" man, a man who doesn't feel different from other men, a man who may be married or have a girlfriend, why can't any of these men be able to enjoy what sex with men have to offer that sex with women doesn't, without having to define those men as "closeted" gay.

Many "Straight" married guys show up at those hotel unlocked door, ass up on the air, take all loads events. It's a pretty hot scene that some "straight" men have a hard time saying no to. Maybe if more women offered the same kinds of hotel walk-ins these married men would go for them. But all the available cumholes are men so they go for men.

I'm of the opinion that the term "gay" should only be used in a situation of self-identity. A guy  may consider himself to be gay because he loves having sex with men in public toilets, bathhouses, etc. But this should not mean that all the men who frequent these same places are gay. I had NSA sex with men for a long time but "being gay" has never resonated with me. Most guys who proclaim being gay talk about being different from the other boys. I never felt any different from the other boys, just more adventurous.

One Saturday night I was at the bathhouse in my room waiting for tops. I must have been in my 40's then. That night I took many loads as guys kept coming into my room to fuck. But that night in a period of 4-5 hours one particular guy fucked me three times and gave me three loads. I'm sure most tops who can cum several times a night would choose a different hole for each of the loads. Right?

Getting three loads from one top at the sauna, when there are so many other bottoms available, is a pretty good compliment.

On 2017-04-10 at 11:08 AM, AnnaBBWhore said:

Don't. Just remember how easy your mind took the decision in the first place. Remember how good it was and how natural it felt

Anonymous sex seems so natural but yet it's so dangerous. The sex that I enjoy the most is anonymous and that even applies to videos. In Xtube, the title of the videos must indicate some anonymity for me to be interested. If it's about boyfriends having sex, I'm usually not interested in watching the video unless they are really hot. But if it's a video about walk-in pump&dump or any anonymous scene or Grindr, then I'm then interested. 

On 2017-04-10 at 6:30 PM, LKMike said:

When did you do this? Go get PeP!

It never occurred to me about the PeP, but I'm just hoping I didn't get pozed

On 2017-04-11 at 3:46 AM, Homo60 said:

As for the guilt and regret, am pretty sure that all of us have or will go through that in the beginning,

I've been through this a few times. Not that I was a chaser when I was younger, but I was willing to risk more. I've noticed that as I age that has changed a bit maybe because after all, it's always just more of the same. I've been in those gloryholes many, many times before and this last experience is simply more of the same. So the question now is why risk so much for more of the same?

23 hours ago, bihairy said:

Every time I fucked and bred I would have the same worry and feeling of regret. That is exactly why I am on PrEP.  Peace of mind. Not to mention I love to freedom to fuck and breed whenever I'm horny and the sex is better than ever!  GH, sex parties, pool parties in the summer, 1 on 1, 3 way and other groups.. I'm loving it and just do it.  Which is my new motto by the way. "just do it"  Haha

I have trouble getting on it because I'm not having so much sex as I used to have. Maybe 10 years ago, when I was taking multiple loads a week I would have gone on PrEP. I sometimes get tempted about taking PrEP for a short period of time. The side effects also concern me because I've taken medications that I have trouble with their side-effects.

This is weird because it all depends on my mood. If I'm horny I start thinking of maybe attending a Cumunion party in Montreal at the GI-Joe sauna. But it's different if I'm not feeling horny.

I was really horny last Thursday and decided to go to the Blackout event at the local bathhouse. Lunch hour was crazy, lots of horny guys having to go back to work with not much time to waste. Started sucking cocks at the gloryholes but soon after I was getting fucked by who knows who. The first one I just felt the guy pull out, the next door gloryhole door open and the guy gone. Wasn't even sure what happened until I felt the aftermath on my hole. I then used my sloppy hole to get other guys to fuck me and breed me through the GH. By the end of the adventure I had swallowed about 10 loads and had taken 6 in my hole, l which I kept until the next morning.

I'm now in the regret mode, wondering about the fuck flu and the 3 months wait. I know I really enjoyed it but was it worth it?

I find it hard to justified being on PrEP when I don't have sex often enough.

Very long video http://www.xtube.com/video-watch/Japanese-Bareback-party-30412781

Japanese Bareback party

There is a very slutty bottom who everyone fucks. He's got a nice rosebud. It's got the longest "BREEDING" I've ever seen. Starts in minute 32 and ends in minute 34! The top keeps groaning for ever. I used to have a fuck buddy like that

On 2016-03-01 at 5:31 PM, tallslenderguy said:

I only experience a top announcing, in one form or another, that he is coming about half the time.

Is good to find a reason why should the top tell me that he will be shooting soon. Once I noticed that a top may be getting closer to shooting, I would usually say something like "Let me know when you start shooting so I can open up my hole to receive your load". And I would mention it again in between other dirty talk: "Yeah, I'll open up my hole for your load". That way most of the time they would tell me they were cumming which was really hot. And I would open-up my hole too, which I really enjoy doing while the guys shoots.