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I'm guessing it started with a fuck, not a long conversation, and ended in an open relationship. I think the baths are probably great place to look for what you had.

I think I need to start asking: "Do you do dick IN butt stuff?" Maybe I should incorporate that into my online profiles.

Good point, I fully agree. I have always used US or US citizen, instead of America and American when I participate in online political forums about the US. America is a place, the United States of America is a country that was founded on an idealism.

I just googled it, for gay marriages per capita in the US here are the top 5: 1 San Francisco, CA 2 Portland, OR 3 Seattle, WA 4 Austin. TX 5 Boston, MA There are definitely a lot of guys that claim to be looking for a white picket fence and monogamy, even in the bathhouses. There is less sex and more socializing in PNW bathhouses than most of the world, but it still seems like a strange place to look for a husband.

There are definitely regional differences, it smacked me in the face when I moved from Denver, where I had a very active sex life in mostly in bathhouses and outdoor cruising spots to Portland. Guys in Portland to to bathhouses and outdoor cruising areas, but there is less physical contact and a lot less actual penetration. It is so bad that you are likely to offend them by even suggesting you want penetration with a penis. Fingers, fists, toys and tongues are for some reason acceptable to a lot of guys who would never consider sticking their dick in someones ass or letting someone shove a cock up their hole. I travel quite a bit, and haven't seen the extreme bias against fucking with a dick outside the PNW and west coast of Canada anywhere else. I'm not saying there hasn't been a slow decline elsewhere in the US, but we always seem to be well ahead of the trends on it here. The heteronormative aspect is an interesting point, I believe Portland is #1 in the US for gay marriage per capita, and you can even find guys in bathhouses looking for a monogamous LTR.

It's worth going if you will be in town, but don't set your expectations too high.

It's not a recent problem here in Portland, I'm sorry to hear it is spreading to other parts of the US.

I've been offered, but other than accepting free admission to a couple of sex clubs where I was fucking the guys that let me in, NO. I wasn't comfortable with even that limited arrangement and had to tell them I couldn't accept and why. I don't have sex for money, or pay for sex.

I think that's the crux of the problem, some of us only find sexual frustration not sexual enjoyment in sexual situation with people we are not sexually compatible with. While I can definitely hand out socially with someone I like, but I'm not sexually compatible with. I don't get any enjoyment from hanging out with them in a sexually charged environment. I'm bi and fully versatile, so I can sexually satisfy anyone that shares a mutual attraction and is into penetration, however if they aren't into penetration and we are spending time in a sexual situation it is pure sexual frustration. I am coming to understand that there are a lot of people who aren't into penetration, or can't accomplish it for medical reasons. I'm no more sexually compatible and able to find mutual satisfaction with a nonpenetrator than I am a 100% straight cis male. That doesn't mean I can't hang out socially with a straight male, I do it all the time, but we can't have sex with each other.

My reaction as well. They have long been very creative a describing lack of sexual position here, I guess they are getting the somewhat official terms they need, although it it is still to vague since there are a lot of guys that don't even do oral. One of the local bathhouses has had glow stick night where you pick a color for your position. It started out with blue = top, green = verse, and red = bottom. Then due to complaints they added orange = oral only and eventually had to add purple = other. I still hear complaints that they need a color for whatever specific activity the person choosing purple is really into. While I've never been called out by the bathhouse employees, they get complaints about guys fucking in areas they think they shouldn't be or on nights that have themes that are not about fucking. A couple of weeks ago I overheard a long conversation between a customer and an employee complaining that 2 guys fucked in the slurp ramp and the bathhouse needed to do something about it. I wasn't one of the 2 guys or I might of stepped in and defended the employee since I have the feeling they hear those complaints all of the time. That's all fine and good that everyone gets to do what they enjoy, but is it appropriate for a profile on all of the hookup apps, or go to a bathhouse where guys are looking to hookup and fuck and tell anyone who will listen about the 1,001 ways to have the greatest sex ever without penetration? There are already local organizations that host parties and have online tools for cuddlers, if they aren't cuddlers couldn't they look into setting up something similar for their preferred activity or lobby the big apps to create a separate area to search for what they are looking for? Currently there is so much signal noise, that I don't think anyone is finding what they are looking for in this region of sides. At least for this non-side it makes using the apps and cruising in person extremely frustrating. I actually don't mind the glow stick nights at the baths in that I don't have to waste my time with guys who choose the oral only or other colors, as long as they haven't driven out all of the top/bottom/verse guys who actually hookup.