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Hi @BergenGuy, can you give some examples, and can you comment on whether the government practices censorship whether or not it’s illegal? thanks!

Thanks for making me explain more clearly. I was thinking of illegal immigration and inflation, which affects a lot of relatively poor voters and definitely has an impact on a broader set of voters. You raise a great point, but I think the billionaire class has captured both parties. Inasmuch as Trump reduces inflation and puts economic policies in place that generate (rather than just redistribute) wealth, I think the poor are likely to notice it more. The biggest wealth transfer and destruction of economic well-being was the COVID lockdowns, which threw a lot of people out of work, wrecked a lot of small businesses and made the billionaires a lot of money. I blame Democrats much more than Republicans for that. But I still Like the point you made that tax reductions are also likely to put more money in the hands of the wealthy.

That is much more a woke leftist thing to do, but agreed I will not be happy if Trump does not follow through on his promise to ban censorship and government “misinformation” manipulation. This mostly happens to people on the right, but it’s also bad when it happens to people on the left.

This smacks of a blind-spot that will keep the leftists out of power for quite a while (thankfully). The Democrats lost because they keep deciding to transfer wealth out of the pockets of those who paid into the system and into the pockets of those who didn’t. The working class sees this clearly and voted with its feet, which tiptoed away from name callers and toward people who realize you have to do something to get something. Charity is great but theft is not so exciting.

With all due respect to the left, which clearly demonstrated its lack of touch with the win-strategy and its inability to channel the majority voters this cycle, it’s much more than “just any social movement they [the right] don’t like…” the reason the right doesn’t like woke is usually 1) collectively blaming groups of people for cultural or other phenomena that preceded their lifespans, e.g., something that happened more than 100 years ago; 2) failing to see the consequences to other people’s lives of immediately stopping something perceived as a social ill, e.g., driving a gas’s-powered car; 3) shifting burdens to the public coffer; 4) misattributing an action to bigotry, hatred, or some other self-absorbed interpretation rather than to natural differences among individuals; 5) collective punishment; 6) race-based assumptions about how various groups SHOULD think. Woke failed big-time this year. I hope people who don’t understand the negative aspects of woke can evolve and appreciate how un-winning a strategy it is to blame everyone else. From what I’m seeing from most Democrats post-election, they don’t seem to be generating winning insights. “The country is more fascist than we thought.” These kinds of insights are likely to keep them on the losing path for quite awhile and alienating them from all the people they spend their time making wrong. I would hardly count anything the left does in the way of accusations as treating people decently. But by all means keep preaching to the choir and failing to see the good qualities of people, which exist in abundance once you become less interested in labeling people and more interested in getting to know them.

Best of luck to all partisans tomorrow. May your favorite candidate win. Hopefully we’ll come out of this still in a republic filled with peace, tolerance, and integrity. And many happy choices to make in the future.

The first time I got double-fucked was in a hot tub. I don't remember what we used. Guys were funny don’t think they liked each other both kept whispering in my ear to dump the other while they were both up in my ass.

Love it 🙂. Shooting a lot of semen into a political conversation makes it (and anything else) much better! Batter batter swing 🙂.

Well said BootmanLA

I think you’re conflating cost of “society” with cost of “government.” I would argue that it is actually liberals who want the benefits of “society” but want to shift the cost of it via “government” to those who may not perceive benefit. It would be helpful to take your argument out of the ethereal plain and make it concrete. In the absence of specific examples, I’m left to imagine the “benefits” of society: mass murder of imperial subjects to the tune of trillions hmmm; the lack of respect and boundaries for citizens rights and savings; the perversion of the education system; eminent domain; over-legislation and regulation of morality, etc I’m personally not an absolutist libertarian, but I think the scope of government is vastly out of whack and generally should be curtailed. I’d start pulling back on wealth transfers to the rich, over-legislation of morality where there’s not a consensus, and offensive military expenditure, and generally limit excess expenditure for which the Fed invents money and inflates away savings. My bet is that most of the areas you would cite as “the benefits of society” are not places I’d start on, but a less ethereal, less imaginary set of benefits might help at least to help me understand the big ideas behind “benefits of society.”

I asked John Bolton to marry me and said no, so I asked Expedia to send him free airfare AND hotel to Sanaa Yemen where I learned from YouTube how to simulate a drone mouth that could suck war-semen out of a neocon and pour it over studio 54 of the past, the harlot that I never Was but wished to be who could cum against a velvet rope in the New York -15-degree sky in my major Tom suit. Happy Halloween dear John Bolton of the nuclear skies. Kisses through my harelip-shaped drone-mouth

Both Harris and Trump seem to be ready to start WWIII but also to be saying that they wouldn't. For example, Trump seems to want to de-escalate Ukraine, whereas Harris doesn't seem to want to de-escalate Ukraine. Both Trump and Harris seem to want to de-escalate Gaza, but Trump seems to be in Miriam Adelson's pocket about expanding the glass parking lots around Israel to the West Bank, though he also says he'd stop the violence on day one and seems to be making headway among at least Michigan Muslim's population. I don't trust either of them to let their fawning voters in on the cigar-room-equivalent back deals. Biden just called half the country garbage, which not even Lincoln had ever done. There are at least two faces (trump/harris) maybe even three (RFK Jr) or four (Stein) or five (West) or even our own dear faggot Chase Oliver (Libertarians) in the high heels race to govern. My baton is burning my hands, and I am just looking to sneak into a relay race to pass this burning baton to some unsuspecting hermaphrodite in a misgendered port-o-potty and make sweet love while ravens, crows, and other city-birds gobble down evidence of malfeasance of either one or the other bird-party, wearing my sexy clothes to make the faggots submit, or maybe it was to make the doms leak and bulge, fuck I forget the script, started improvising, suddenly Larry David was voyeuring the audition and asked me to play Janet Yellin in the sisters of Perpetual Indulgence production of Ben Hur meets Empress Xoe of Byzantium. I tried to find a free elephant- or camel-ride on UBER, but they said that the fart tax would be $21000 per intersection, each of which has either a stop sign, a tri-color flashlight gobbling up wind farm credits. I decided to shoot myself out of this iOS videogame, ready to break the screen from the inside, but I knew that my efforts would only simulate owner-tears and cause a long telephone call with an empathy-trained CSR who ultimately was eunuched into offering a $10 discount on a new 10-year plan that offered ONLY a 40%-per-year fee-escalation and connected me with RocketMortgage, who would be willing to bill the first payment to my non-existent great-in-vitro-grandchildren which they would fund in return for permanent ownership. I tried to get out of the call by failing a headache, but their neural scans revealed to all, including well-meaning-but-vulnerable "ME" whoever the fuck that is that the speaker was 94.77% likely to be a situational liar. That was exactly the percentage that my childhood priest estimated when I was found upside down on a st andrews cross in the confessional at my best friend's church. Oh the webs we weave when we practice to deceive. HAPPY HALLOWEEN, YOU FUCKERS, FUCKEES, GLOVES (PASSIVE FISTEES), AND VERSATILE VIRTUALS AND PHYSICALSl, NO MATTER WHAT PARTY(BOY) D / R / L / I YOU MAY WISH TO HAUNT!

Did you know the Waco survivors were acquitted on the basis of self-defense? Your general arguments and hissie fits seem mainly to be about your inability to abide with or understand the appeal of gun ownership. You seem to think that the government is the only group of people who should get to kill innocents and get away with it. Without evaluating your personal opinions, do you really expect everyone else’s options to emanate from your personal opinions? Are you just mister civic Everyman that the gun sellers in Waco should just lay down their arms on your recommendation? I would describe it more as a mosquito net. I like To hike in the great wild AND I like to have some time away from small buzzy bite that adds limited value when exploring commonalities in the bunk with men whose insights I’m seeking. Both are fun. I’m there. I’m here. It’s a bit rich to praise yourself for your conversational intrepidity on a bareback website, seems pretty sheltered from the normies if you ask me. This seems to be classic leftie projection to me. Again you cast yourself as spokesperson for society and imply that people should not start from their own premises and create their own lives because society. I have obligation to accept your starting points just because you’ve convinced yourself that your not a snowflake.

I do conclude that the FBI, in an effort to overcome its racist past, mounted the PATCON campaign that purposefully demonized peaceful mostly white (Branch Davidians were integrated) groups that were out of the mainstream, also to justify additional budget. I think they abused their power, with the infiltrators often being more active and numerous than the believing membership. Ideally for me it’s not so much average as leaders who do not mistreat or steal from others. I’m very uninterested in random mediocrity from leaders. I do fear that our species may be unable to kick its tribal mafia habit, or at least kick it permanently. I agree that with freedom come consequences. But I’ll give the greatest rewards to leaders who can create the most space for each individual and group to pursue maximum freedom with the lowest number of involuntary restrictions possible. It’s very complex and tough. Peace

There is a lot of self-flavor in the style of your question NEDenver. It’s open to interpretation. I apprecIate the leftie boys for honoring the request 🙂.

This is hardly the best advertisement I’ve heard for the government. You’re in effect writing, “Self-defense failed to work against the government, which abused them anyway.” not that any of us are slaves to the American Declaration of Independence it’s still worth quoting: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creatorwith certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.“ In your example I think most people would voluntarily sign up to avoid the confusion. However, many use “unworkability” as a premise to usurp the freedoms of others, which is an error.

The Branch Dravidians were like the Unitarians, total evil government abuse of power, and no credit to any mindless NPC who just accepted FBI propaganda /Janet Reno apologetics about slaughtering innocent children among others. Shameful. for full disclosure I’m diabetic but I was Not in the least offended by cuckie, though honestly cuckie it seems a bit mean-spirited, all good though, diabetes is MY problem. This is a perfect teaching moment for the concept of “voluntarism.” If certain populations take risks, what’s wrong with them finding a voluntary risk pool to distribute that risk? Usually these controversies become national psychodramas because the risk takers think everyone else owes them the obligation to pay for the risks they take. It may be NICE to pay for someone else’s choice to climb a mountain without the proper equipment, but when too much cost of those risks are shifted to people who don’t even think the risk taking should be legal, or when it becomes cost-prohibitive to pay for the mitigation, the system crashes. Even more divisive if the risks relate to morality (drug use, smoking, guns, abortion, barebacking, overeating, etc.). I’m a big fan of collectivism as long as it’s voluntary and the data is transparent.

I think I had followed your original point but communicated it glibly. DC has ranked-choice voting on the ballot. I welcome any guidance.

I read it along with the Bible, the one repeated theme that resonated with me was “thou shalt not make partners with god” though I liked The idea that the zealous god of the Koran might bring himself to whimsically forgive sinners by his own discretion. (Apologies to all Muslims who think I may be distorting the widdom, it is not intentional but just very bad memory.). My takeaway from that was that anyone on earth trying to act on gods behalf may be misguided. I know It’s a common practice to evaluate groups of people, and I think is a reasonable practice. However, the bigger the group being evaluated, the more diversity of extremes will be found. In fact, it seems like a fundamental axiom of any religions that if they are to survive they must embrace enough contradiction to appeal to all personalities who are willing to pass the religious memes on to the next generation. On a random note, when I went to visit my out gay friend in Pakistan and his (fully accepting) family, the driver and I had discussion about Islam and Christianity. He was very disturbed by the whole concept of the Trinity but very excited when I told him about the Unitarians. For me it matters less whether you agree with me or not but whether you are able to coexist with me without violence and let god or the great void be my judge.

Greetings lads of raw is law: at the risk of being accused of misquoting @BootmanLA for malicious rather than playful purposes, voting for anyone besides a democrat or republican has been characterized as jacking off in he voting booth. To me, a libertarian-minded independent, this smacks of another example of arrogating all the fun and privilege to the already-priviledged major parties (I’m pretty sure I got @BootmanLAexactly backward, but since I’m not mounting a polemic here, I hope this dyslexic analogy will cause no offense. How do folks feel about expanding the number of booth whacks (meaningful votes) by allowing voters to vote 1st-2nd-3rd choice? It would seem to solve the problems that the D/R uniparty has with the Jill Steins of the world by scooping up their vote when their party is eliminated and the next choice is redistributed. It would also seem to solve the problems of the little parties, which often are barred from the ballot unless they can meet certain criteria. What sayeth the great bareback ulamaa?

On a side note I want to be a voting booth, as recognized by permanent markers tallied up in my glutes. I have petitioned the voting commissions all over the country to stop recognizing ballots that depend upon mail-in (unless female- or male- masturbated DNA evidence of identity) non-DNA-infused butt-or-cunt ballots. Sluts of America we could save democracy from the uniparty if we only married our holes to forensically-minded voter-fraud experts. I also chose the option to replace my face on my drivers license with a cum-imprint that stays “wet” to the touch but not wet enough to be an AI father to non-children

Great points NEDenver, and I am very appreciative that you noticed my naivety, which may be my only remaining boyish quality. I cannot fully explain the bitterness of that era of the right. Also, please remember that a surprisingly high proportion of Obama voters voted for Trump, so it is at least a mischaracterization to suggest that MAGA was monolithic. Looking further back to right/left history, I do think that many of the liberal shibboleths of that era, which I embraced as a liberal youth, have turned out to be much more problematic than the simple pat stories I was told (McCarthyism, which I bet most liberals take at winners-write-history textbook face value; or the Rosenbergs; or the lack of attention to the Israeli theft of nuclear secrets or Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty, which was covered up by LBJ). What I CAN speak to is why the right may be winning hearts and minds among disaffected Democrats (lockdowns, deplatforming conservatives and pretending they need baby guardrails for “misinformation” more than the 1st amendment, Afghanistan, Hunter Biden laptop, Russiagate lies, TDS, trying to erase the 1st 4th 9th 10th amendments, siding with criminals and illegals over workers and thus raising the cost of civil society, just to share a few of the stories that have risen up in the 21,000 +/-daily news cycles that have passed since the Voting Rights Act was passed 60 years ago. To be fair, there are Republicans leaving for the Democrats, like Bloody Liz Cheney and other neocons that know how to flatter Democrats to get their wars by boogeymanning the libs. The rich have always made their money by scaring the poor but I used to trust Democrats for being able to discern corporate fraud. Now I find the right to be generally more astute at this except when their direct interests are at play. I am aware that the MAGA movement may not be the prettiest debutante at the ball, but the more neocons leave the party, the more likely America First will be seen not as the hateful slogan I thought it was when I first Heard it and more like a trust that all nations are better off when they focus on their problems and stop meddling in the business of others. maybe it’s time to update mental models, assess actual risk rather than worrying about all of the stupid things we say, and hold ALL politicians in the uniparty and beyond it accountable for their actions rather than the venting they do instead of being violent.

I am not sure if this article originates the concept but it explains the concept well: [think before following links] https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/reality-honks-back

It's interesting that many here seem to blame Trump for being able to channel the discontent of (just to make a short sentence, yes, could be more precise) the flyover states for watching the Democratic-Republican businessmen export jobs for the past 30 years and divert our money to war, financialization, and other elite interests. I read an interesting analysis that suggests that the real divide in this country is between the "virtuals" (ie, people who could do their job on a laptop from anywhere, who have thus severed any loyalty they have to terroir, tend to be disconnected from a visceral sense of what it takes to build wealth and security), versus the "physicals" (ie., people whose jobs are inherently tied to a location, e.g., farm, construction, the factories that used to be in America but are now overseas, who can see the physical results of their efforts etc.). I am certainly rooting for our liberal friends to mount a less-than-hysterical, less-than-virtue-signaling, empathetic play for the votes of the "physicals," but I don't see it happening as long as they have TDS and catastrophize about Trump's faux pas and style. It would be great to see the Democrats formulate policies that don't destroy the assets of the "physicals," but they keep inflating away the efforts of the "physicals" and giving free money to people who haven't paid into the system, and they seem to have a blind spot as to why people don't trust them anymore. I'd love to see the liberals reclaim their ability to stand for peace, tackle corporate fraud, and (if their economic models can do this, which I truly doubt since they can't tell the difference between creating wealth and redistributing [stealing] it) figure out how to create space for people to benefit from their efforts, which will grow the pie for all. The best way to make a country toxic is to shrink the pie and then lie about it. Failure to understand this is a choice to be hysterical and a choice to have no meaningful insight. Trust me, when people think us faggots are getting something for nothing, all the tolerance will evaporate in a short minute regardless of who we've been voting for. hntnhole, I bet you can do better than that, watching inflation destroy the capacity of the lower middle class and even middle class to make it is not "anything and everything." it's pretty concrete and puts people in a headspace to lash out about style-of-living issues.

There’s a huge difference between praising someone and forgoing lies about them. There’s plenty real to complain about with Trump as NEDenver may be correctly, or maybe hyperbolically, alluding to. As much as I don’t love Trump I find It hard to understand the TDS he inspires. Maybe we should look to late 19th century health practices for treating hysteria and masturbate our liberal brethren just to calm them down.