Florida man busted for giving teen HIV

[Guest mspchaser]

How did a minor download Grindr or whatever app he used with iPhone you have to be 17. Sounds like a parent that was not parenting close enough if they have a boy who is hooking up with a not that hot black guy for bareback sex.

Yes... because nobody ever lied about their age before. I won't mention if I did or did not have sex as a minor or have had sex with a minor after I reached the age of majority.

[bb1991]

I lost my virginity at 14; the first few guys that I had sex with were considerably older (45-65), they all knew I was under age and non of them wore a condom.

At the time I thought that condoms were just to stop girls getting pregnant; we had sex ed at primary school aged 10/11 that taught us the biology parts like puberty; the next lessons weren't until we were 15, and they were just how to stop the girl getting pregnant - taught about the pill and the like. Sex ed at 16 (the last lot before leaving school) were about how to check your balls for cancer, and the biological and hormonal parts of the menstrual cycle.

There was no mention of STDs or gay sex or anything.

Most of my straight friends lost their virginity between 13 and 15; For my gay friends that averaged 12-15 - it was far too late and didn't give any of us the information to make an informed decisions.

The men I had sex with in those early years really took advantage of the fact I didn't know about condoms and STDs - I didn't ask so they didn't use them - I didn't ask because at that age I just didn't know things like STDs existed or that Condoms were for anything other than stopping girls getting pregnant.

It's a story I've seen repeated over and over with many of my gay friends; I think it's a miracle I didn't catch anything.

Anyway, my point is (especially with the state of Sex ed in may parts of the world), you can't just presume people, especially young people, have all the information to make an informed decision. By all means you can't be responsible for other people's bad decisions, but just be honest: that's all you can be - it's up to them then. There are so many people now who are 'poz friendly', there's no real reason to lie; be honest about your status- you'll still find a shag.

As for the 15 year old, he really is a victim: the guy never told him he had HIV. Even if he sought out the sexual encounter and was given all the information, at that age you can't really make an informed decision.

[BadBadThing]

So Pig Bottom, when is a person no longer 'still a kid'?

A law defining isn't an answer. A chronological age isn't going to either.

As long as we as a society are going to keep coddling individuals, exploiting them for political, social, and/or religious use, and not letting people learn how to take decisions (and responsibilities) we're going to have 40 year old 'kids'.

Don't put the blame on the guys here for their opinions, instead maybe you should put the blame on his parents for not treating him like a kid at 8, 9, 10, and on and giving him a chance to take decisions that weren't lethal, because when he got to be old enough that he had to take life altering choices, he seems to have chose poorly.

I understand that the human brain doesn't fully develop 'executive functions' that make decisions until around age 22, but the ONLY way that area of the brain properly develops is to TAKE DECISIONS. We learn mainly by failure. If we continue as a society with your attitude that at 15 a person is still a kid then you better plan to see a lot more stories like this one.

[poznative]

Naa...the 2nd degree murder charge is a reach. He may have been 15, but he knew exactly what he was doing. The black guy wasn't too bad looking. If I were a bottom...I'd take his cock...HIV and all.

[ItalianDick]

Actually, the attempted murder charge may stick. As for the kid, the point of statutory rape laws (why wasn't he charged with stat. rape - or was he and I missed that part?) Anyhow - the point of statutory rape laws is a public policy statement that when you are under that age of consent you lack the capacity to make decisions regarding sex (usually sex with someone a proscribed number of years older than you and above the age of consent - but not always). Yes, on the one hand, the kid should accept responsibility - but our conversation aside, and on the other hand, he has no choice but to deal with the consequences of his actions. How he deals with it emotionally is almost irrelevant.

[adam4adam]

this thread is so disturbing and some of you guys are so far removed from reality its not even funny

[totalasspig]

Lost my virginity at 10 from a 15 year old guy. At 12, the 26 Year old College Student Gym Teacher fucked my ass in the Middle School Locker room. I knew what I wanted. If my Dad found out, he would have torn up my ass with the razor strop, but that got done for other things I did anyway.

The kid was 15 - old enough to know better, but apparently he did it for whatever reason. True that HIV meds will keep him alive for decades to come. The question is where were his parents? Did they police the time he was out of the house? Did they ever ask to look at his IPHONE? I know that If I did not call my parents and let them know my ass got beaten. Today if you beat your kids ass, they can call 911 on you - what the hell kind of shit is that?

Parents can't police their kids like the parents I had - but they bitch and moan when the kid gets into trouble and the Judge says "Bad Parenting".

Kids lie about their age. One kid showed what looked like an authentic New Jersey's drivers license that he was 18 and senior in high school. Nice place he had and his parents let him have people over - I found out later he was only 16.

Between the ages of 12 and 17, I got into bathhouses, adult theaters, bars, you name it - all with an adult with me - I lied about my age as well. I had no choice but to deal with the consequences of my actions when it came to STD's. Unfortunately for the 15 year old in South Florida, the same will apply.

[cmmolthr]

First of all, I can't say that I have a lot of admiration for anyone that has sex with an underage man (or woman for that matter) One of my high school teachers is in jail for life due to what is called "Statutory Rape", this combined with the HIV charge, I hope they really throw the book at this guy. I sort of feel for the kid if anything, what a horrible age to learn something like this

[cmmolthr]

I think it's crazy to sexualize teens and then treat them as babies who can't make their own decisions. Go back 200 years and you'll see that teens were running farms, starting families, etc. Its our culture that's the problem (IMHO). Let's stop pretending 15, 16, 17 year olds are so fragile and teach them to take care of themselves. They did it 200 years ago. They can do it now.

Bottom line, IMHO the age of consent laws are part of the problem - they reinforce the idea that teens are incapable of taking care of themselves and making decisions, when it's just that parents are too lazy to teach their kids to fend for themselves or ask them to grow up. I don't buy the biological arguments. Sure there may be parts of the brain which aren't fully developed until the early 20s, but it doesn't mean they're completely missing in someone who's 15 or 16. There's enough there for the teen to figure out what's right and wrong on their own.

Probably a good point, and even today, in some rural areas, kids still get up very early in the morning and milk the cows and goats before going to school. I think some countries in Europe may have age of consent laws as low as 16, which would be fair in my opinion

[TheBottomEnd]

Some US states are 16 as well, others are 16 with age restrictions on the other partner (under 20 is an example). I remember it coming up during Queer as Folk, but it came out that Pennsylvania (where it was set, though filmed in Toronto) had 16 as an age of consent.

That said, I also believe they should throw the book at this guy. A 15 year old lacks the ability to make decisions in this manner, and the guy took advantage of that as well as involved himself in child pornography. This is different than engaging in "don't ask, don't tell" sex as an adult or not knowing one's status.

As far as when one becomes an adult, our founding fathers probably had it right when they put the legal age of majority at 21. Human development studies show the brain isn't fully mature until about 25 (as is the body), and while one learns from making decisions and even mistakes, a person also needs to be protected from the potential risks and harm caused by certain decisions.

[Scottyrim]

I think we are getting confused about a couple of things.

When I was 13 I was having sex and I was sneaky about it as well but I look back and still would have done it and more.

But I knew there were consequences to these actions from being caught by my family or humiliated or worse.These were the consequences I took but I was horny so that was always going to happen

So I understand the kid wanting sex

But the bug really ? Where to a kid a day is a year and a year is 10?Where 95% of the people fantasise about having sex with a poz guy never will,let alone allow themselves to be in a position to be pozzed.

Some of us are not even sure of the age of consent but are more than willing to believe a 15 year old should be informed about sex. Really ?

Let's not mix fantasy with reality. A fully informed adult is that ,and can make decisions based on their own experience and choice,but a 15 year old to live on medication for the rest of their lives because someone selfish decided that their fuck was more important than a boys life.

Sorry I know I sound moralistic.As I have said sex is complicated and when I was underage I would do anything to get it.Part of that was because I knew I was gay and all I saw around me was straight but I knew there were consequences,but they were about how I felt not wondering if someone was going to decide to hurt me.

When we talk about 200 years ago ( I love history btw) the average lifespan was not 80 or 70 or even 60.Most people would be lucky to hit 40 let alone 50 and beyond.Some children worked in workhouses from dusk to dawn not unlike some third world countries now.

I am sorry for the HIV guy involved in this but like the boy involved he would have known there were consequences. He would have known what responsibility was and what fantasies were and where the line was.To blame the kid in this disturbing.

[not_sure_bb]

there is an age of consent issue with this case but there is also an age gap provision in florida

[pigskintop]

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[Guest Matias47]

Okay, first off, yeah this guy, Sumlin, is a scumbag. He had sex with underage guys and posted videos online with a link to his Facebook page. I'd say chances are good he's going to prison for quite some time.

But, I have some uncomfortable thoughts about this case. The kid met Sumlin through a phone app and invited him over to his parents house to have sex. Kid tells a buddy about it - buddy, who apparently also had sex with Sumlin, tells kid Sumlin is poz. Kid tells mom what he did - mom takes kid to the hospital where intial tests show he's poz. I've been unable to find any followup information.

Now, the kid had sex with Sumlin sometime in August (http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-09-07/news/fl-pines-hiv-teen-sex-arrest-20120906_1_sunrise-man-pembroke-pines-police-facebook-page) and Sumlin was arrested the first week of September. If we knew the exact date, or dates if was more than once, it would be better, but wth, that's a short time frame. According to the CDC antibodies take between 2 to 8 weeks to become detectable. The average being 25 days.

Well, it's possible the kid was pozzed after (maybe one) one time and he was a fast converter, but I find myself skeptical. This kid had the app and was the one who invited the older guy into his parents' house. IMO this wasn't the first time he'd done this -- if it were the papers probably would have been all over that fact. If he HAD other encounters before this one, isn't possible he was already poz when he hooked with Sumlin? And shouldn't they be asking the kid about his sexual contacts?

[Pig Bottom]

And shouldn't they be asking the kid about his sexual contacts?

In the eyes of the law it doesn't matter. The culprit had sex with an underage teen and he knew he had HIV and he went in bareback. In my eyes it doesn't mattee either.