What Is The Procedure For Makers & Actors On Bareback Films & Videos?

[Barehorny]

Something I have been wandering about for a while. How does it go for makers & actors before the filming? Is it like, any actor is welcome knowing he will be playing bareback yet no tests or anything done but everyone being responsible for himselff, his health & possible troubles  or do makers have some requirements about health? Any blood testing, medical check up done or such? Not only the hiv part but all stds.  I love bareback porn, just me being curious about the porn industry & the way it goes. Is there like a general way of proceeding for all studios & countries or do they all have their own procedures & choices for actors & requirements done? Any difference for tops & bottoms? Does anyone know about those?  Thank you

This question is about bareback porn so I guess it is the right forum to post it on. I have read the rules another time & already had a warning for posting a question the wrong place

take care & have fun everyone

Edited June 2, 2016 by SirPhilippe

[einathens]

there might be some variance between studios, but from checking out the websites and reading the model info, it seems pretty much that the performers are tested beforehand, and may then serosort if they choose.

[coyotesmiles]

there might be some variance between studios, but from checking out the websites and reading the model info, it seems pretty much that the performers are tested beforehand, and may then serosort if they choose.

How many studios have you found explicit documentation stating such? The reason I ask, is yes, I know somes studios provide explicit statements regarding how they establish negative HIV status...but that's the only statements I've seen in an official context.

So yes, Sean Cody, Chaos Men, and other such "safe" but bareback studios make a point of making such explicit offical statements...and almost always in the video preface.

Howver, I have never seen any "unsafe" bareback studio make a explicit official statement of that nature, as is done by studios like Sean Cody and Chaos Men.

Certainly, I know that Treasure Island has made various statements that are sometimes offcial reactions/positions regarding HIV status of their models. However, the only one I've seen was when Jackson Taylor was making a stink about supposedly never being informed that Ethan Wolfe was poz...but even then their official statement was, as usual, ambiguous and pretty shifty. They said that they sent Jackson Taylor a picture of Ethan Wolfe's biohazard tatoo and said "Just want to you to know what you're getting into here." and then they claimed that Taylor responded with "YES"

Anyone with even just basic legal experience/knowledge knows that sort of statement might sound like it's defensble, but it really isn't because there's too much uncertainty as to what Taylor meant when he said "Yes," particularly in terms of whether he was affirming bottoming for a poz top or maybe he didn't even get the biohazard bit and was just reacting "Yes" to bottoming for Wolefe.

Beyond that nonsense, Treasure Island has never had any sort of consistent official position across their release history. Sure, maybe here or there they made some sort of half-ass statement about how they handle HIV status of their modles, but come on, do you really think they're being sincere?

On one hand they're merrily celebrating their explicit forray into poz fetish and pnp culture (which I'm all for, in fact, I think even videos like Viral Loads Slammed are still way to tame for my tastes) and ...then they do some song and dance that sort of minimalizes the extreme behavior they're promoting (which again, I certainly support), however there's no clear connection to what they are saying here and there and then the videos that they are making.

That is, with "responsible" studios like Sean Cody and Chaos Men stamp every video with a clear statement that unambiguously establishes their policy for handling HIV status of their models, and again, it's only in the context of establishing HIV negative status.

Also, historically studios like Treasure Island, Hot Desert Knights, Cobra, and pretty much all of the Eastern European porn that sparked the bareback pushback, either never issued any statements regarding HIV status, like Hot Desert Knights, Cobra, and the Eastern Euro studios. Or like Treasure Island they have played delibrately confusing game that might seem to take some sort of stance but is really meaningless because as far as I know, the truly critical information like offical public statements for each video do not exist.

Treasure Island in particular is a total joke because when they were first issuing videos, unlike Hot Desert Knights or Cobra, they kept the opposite of a low profile. Not only did Paul Morris issue statments defiently asserting the legitimacy of bareback sex, he was brazen enough to pull stunts like posting an essay arguing that bareback sex actually helped prevent HIV infection.

My partner at the time was a medical student and I tactfully didn't laugh in his face when he admiringly told gushed about how Paul Morris was so smart and wrote a very convincing essay about how bareback sex prevents HIV infection. After a few years I had learned that medical students and yes, even doctors are kind of stupid as they learn and rely on established data which allows them to diagnose, but they're pretty shitty scientists, which is why scientists don't group doctors with their profession. Sure, I might be arrogant, but as a psychology researcher trained in social, cultural, and neuro-psychopharmacological psychology, I knew immediately that Paul Morris' eassay was a classic case of intellctual obfuscation that technically might be valid from a formal argumment stance, but in practical reality is total bullshit.

This was the exact same time that all the bareback studios, which at that time, the only prominent American ones were Treasurer Island, Cobra, SX Video (but I feel like initially SX wasn't well known outside of California as were the others because I don't really remember encountering their videos until I moved from the East Coast to Cali in 2007), and Hot Desert Knights and there were strong undercurrents against bareback porn that was coming from within the LGBT-Q community, whereas Paul Morris was literally the only person championing bareback. In fact, at that time I was at Brown University and fundamentally, as LGBT-Q everything was in a very precarious position, pretty much all public communications whatever decried bareback porn as irresponsible and reckless...not just in terms of producing it but in terms of consuming it.

I clearly remember that there was a lot of condemntion by men themselves of bareback porn. It was considered even amongst those who liked porn as often degenerate and in bad taste. Personally, I loved that specific dynamic because while I quickly learned around that time that many men were very hesitant to say whether or not they would bareback, if a guy was a fan of bareback porn, he was always down for bareback. But again, I remember slowly realizing..."Aw fuck if a guy plays condom porn he's gonna be a prude." Of course this isn't such perfect indicator anymore these days as public sentiment is much more layered and complex.

I'm saying all this because historically Treasure Island is probably the worst offender in terms of their "official" stance for model's HIV status, and the other few have never had any stated position.

The only other studio for which I've heard mostly just hearsay is Dark Alley, as once I saw Bradon Hawk post this outraged comment to Facebook about how their porn would "never be so irresbonsible as to pair HIV negative models with HIV positive models" and when he did that, I lost respect form him and that he and his set to be total pussies because they had at that time, the only major studio releases where the tops would actually say things like "dirty load" and "charged seed" (and it was only two scenes within one video, I think). I lost respect because, I thought "What the fuck is the point of dialog like that bottom is already poz? That's no fun!"

So they're kind of lame.

Other than that, I feel that the greater majority of bareback studios give no such information in any way shape or form.

Bareback Studios releasing in the last few years to present for which I've seen nothing about model HIV status:

Still all Eastern European porn...except maybe Bel Ami, not sure because I tend to avoid their stuff.

Broke Straight Boys

Knight Breeders

Hot Desert Knights (though now they seem to only be releasing Eastern Euro stuff).

Amatuer Straight Guys

SX Video

San Diego Boy

Bareback RT Media

Factory Video

Threshold Media

Breed Me Media

Raw Joxx

Flava Works

Dick Wadd

Also there are many South American bareback releases that get bundled and distributed by Dark Alley, but I don't think Dark Alley has any actual oversight over those productions.

Finally, even if any of these studios have at any time released some sort of statement regarding their stance or whatever, the fact that none of these studios present that information for every release like the "responsible" bareback studios, indicates that whatever they are saying is pretty much meaningless, as a "stance" or "position" or whatever sounds nice and might be assuaging for public opinion battles, but in reality such vague things have no real impact. For, something something whatever, could be a porn studio's public statement but what does that mean? Unless they have a clear, consistent policies and procedures that are followed, recorded, and given for every scene/video, it's all just corporate bullshit to placate the masses.

[drscorpio]

Broke Straight Boys and Randy Blue (probably others) claim to use Sequestration and Testing. They take a group of actors to a remote location like a resort or house out in the desert. Then after they have been there long enough for the minimum window for the quickest HIV Tests (which I believe is now 7 days), they test everyone. They film all the bareback scenes after those tests come back negative. Presumably they use those dead days to film J/O and Oral scenes. Both sites also feature lots of outtakes and behind the scenes footage which presumably gets shot during the test window, too.

 

You can get a sense of this from how they release videos. For several weeks, you will see videos released of the same group of 6-10 guys in various combinations. Then all at once, there is a totally new groups of performers, and you don't see the guys you had been seeing for a while. Clearly, they do long marathon shoots with a group, and then release those videos over a period of time. 

 

They seem pretty confident of their methods for preventing HIV transmission because both sites have videos with internal cum shots. A lot of those are the pull out and shoot one shot to prove you came then shove it back in to finish variety that most of us bitch about, but several are of full-on fuck until you cum inside and only pull out afterwards and show the load dripping out. 

[FelchingPisser]

From personal experience...

 

Bad Seed and Treasure Island didn't worry about testing...performers performed like they do in the real world--comfortable with the risk--or don't do it.  I knew I was fucking undetectable men for each scene.  It's what I look for in the real world, too.

 

The studio that did the FTM porn did a rapid test before we shot..

[coyotesmiles]

Broke Straight Boys and Randy Blue (probably others) claim to use Sequestration and Testing. They take a group of actors to a remote location like a resort or house out in the desert. Then after they have been there long enough for the minimum window for the quickest HIV Tests (which I believe is now 7 days), they test everyone. They film all the bareback scenes after those tests come back negative. Presumably they use those dead days to film J/O and Oral scenes. Both sites also feature lots of outtakes and behind the scenes footage which presumably gets shot during the test window, too.

 

You can get a sense of this from how they release videos. For several weeks, you will see videos released of the same group of 6-10 guys in various combinations. Then all at once, there is a totally new groups of performers, and you don't see the guys you had been seeing for a while. Clearly, they do long marathon shoots with a group, and then release those videos over a period of time. 

 

They seem pretty confident of their methods for preventing HIV transmission because both sites have videos with internal cum shots. A lot of those are the pull out and shoot one shot to prove you came then shove it back in to finish variety that most of us bitch about, but several are of full-on fuck until you cum inside and only pull out afterwards and show the load dripping out.

I don't really pay attention to Randy Blue because I got tired of searching through their videos which never had a bareback designation and seemed much rarer than condom (unless they have changed that), so I have no idea what they are doing.

However, I have followed Broke Straight Boys as they have a large amount of bareback videos, maybe even most are so, and I have never seen any sort of information for their videos saying anything about HIV testing.

So I'm wondering where you got that information? Also, do they actually document all such testing? Because again, if they're just talking about their stance or whatever, it might not be something thoroughly executed and recorded. It might just be an attempt to give the impression of doing their due diligence when actually they're not.

I don't know the details and when I just checked their site I also saw nothing so again just wanted to ask where you are getting this information.

[drscorpio]

Randy Blue is pretty much all bareback now. Occasionally they still have j/o videos, but all the fucking is bare.

When Broke Straight Boys first started going bare, they posted this behind the scenes documentary explaining their procedures for protecting their models. Since Randy Blue has almost identical wording in their disclaimer about barebacking, I assumed they were doing something similar.

[drscorpio]

Here's the disclaimer I was talking about that they show on Randy Blue.