If it was up to you to set a new age of consent, what would the age be and why?

[Erik62]

6 minutes ago, nate88 said:

My point is education will help negate whatever negative consequences you're imagining. This is exactly the type of attitude I was referring to in my last reply.

Education WILL NEVER override peer pressure. Any advocate of "underage" sex is only thinking with their dick. All you guys who have "wonderful" stories of familial intercourse & underage sexual encounters & have not suffered 🤔🤔???? (I am not a psychiatrist) are lucky to have come through undamaged but, the majority DO NOT & their lives are destroyed. 

[nate88]

3 minutes ago, Erik62 said:

Education WILL NEVER override peer pressure. Any advocate of "underage" sex is only thinking with their dick. All you guys who have "wonderful" stories of familial intercourse & underage sexual encounters & have not suffered 🤔🤔???? (I am not a psychiatrist) are lucky to have come through undamaged but, the majority DO NOT & their lives are destroyed. 

Again, you're assuming that something which is a basic part of the human existence is a horrible thing. I'm not talking about allowing rape, molestation or coercion - I'm talking about helping kids understand the feelings and urges many of them already experience amongst themselves. That doesn't mean they're all going to have or want sex, but it means they will better understand how their bodies and psychology work as they grow.

It's just as equally about what to do when they're not ready too. Any kid which is confused or scared about their bodies will be more susceptible to grooming or exploitation from somebody with bad intentions. This type of education is just as important for giving kids the tools to know when NOT to consent and how to get help if somebody isn't respecting that decision.

[Erik62]

2 hours ago, nate88 said:

My point is education will help negate whatever negative consequences you're imagining. This is exactly the type of attitude I was referring to in my last reply.

Negative consequence😭!!! I am NOT IMAGINING, they are very real, harmful, if not TOTALLY LIFE DESTROYING. Just so a few (gay or straight, male or female) people can say they enjoyed a "fuck" at 8,10, 12yrs etc there a SO MANY MORE who are scarred for life, if not dead from suicide. Children sex TRAFFICED or in cult groups also DO NOT get the benefit of sex education. Nothing can justify allowing under age sexual freedom.

NOTHING🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬!!!! 

[Erik62]

2 hours ago, nate88 said:

Again, you're assuming that something which is a basic part of the human existence is a horrible thing. I'm not talking about allowing rape, molestation or coercion - I'm talking about helping kids understand the feelings and urges many of them already experience amongst themselves. That doesn't mean they're all going to have or want sex, but it means they will better understand how their bodies and psychology work as they grow.

It's just as equally about what to do when they're not ready too. Any kid which is confused or scared about their bodies will be more susceptible to grooming or exploitation from somebody with bad intentions. This type of education is just as important for giving kids the tools to know when NOT to consent and how to get help if somebody isn't respecting that decision.

This is why schools provide sex education. Whether or not it is formulated correctly, is another discussion. Having young school children being susceptible to peer pressure (a certified world wide problem), contracting STD's, which have so many avenues of transmission, & then playing contact sports or just engaging in rough play as boys particularly tend to do in any playground is a deplorable avenue to go down. Although an 8 or 10yr old fucking around probably isn't going to school anyway 🤔🤔🤔??? 

  Underage sexual freedom (only usual in marriage) may have been socially acceptable 200yrs ago but most of society has evolved where certain actions, sex, alcohol, smoking, marriage, driving, voting are no longer acceptable under certain age limits. Most societies operate on a rules (not physical based) system & anarchy (a free for all of social ideals) is not acceptable & a certain age of understanding / consent has to have been reached. 

[Marlin]

On 11/15/2024 at 9:33 PM, Erik62 said:

Being exposed & indulging in the sex act, at 12, does not take mental acuity into consideration. Yes, a 12yr old boys penis may become erect & he can ejaculate, but that does not mean his mental / psychological developement (full understanding of the act & it's full implications) has kept pace. As an ex-nurse, often in paeds I have seen little male babies have ERECTIONS. Does this mean they are able to consent 🤔🤔?? Even at 18 some boys although physically developed remain very naive, sheltered & protected (unworldly). A scale of consent age (between males & females) is certainly NOT APPROPRIATE & as a result 18yrs has been adopted as the standard for both exes. You have 60yrs to enjoy sex, why do you need a paltry 2-6yrs added on 🤔🤔??? 

I said nothing about consent. I'm just commenting on how different things are now. What concerns me is that boys are being exposed to sex long before they are emotionally mature enough to make their own decisions.  

[Erik62]

22 minutes ago, Marlin said:

I said nothing about consent. I'm just commenting on how different things are now. What concerns me is that boys are being exposed to sex long before they are emotionally mature enough to make their own decisions.  

 

22 minutes ago, Marlin said:

I said nothing about consent. I'm just commenting on how different things are now. What concerns me is that boys are being exposed to sex long before they are emotionally mature enough to make their own decisions.  

 

22 minutes ago, Marlin said:

I said nothing about consent. I'm just commenting on how different things are now. What concerns me is that boys are being exposed to sex long before they are emotionally mature enough to make their own decisions.  

I agree whole heartedly, both boys & girls 👍. Children are less mature, I think, mentally than those of yester-year. Many boys, at 12 or 15, were the families wage earner. However, when we discuss lowering the age of a particular activity surely CONSENT is the overlying factor of said reduction, in age (of consent). 

NB: The Australian government is now in the process of legislating (making it illegal) for children, under 16 to subscribe or to access ANY social media accounts, Instagram, Facebook etc, without parental consent. The big question here, would be: Why is government filling the parental role 🤔?? I would be interested in your opinion 😏. 

Edited November 17 by Erik62

[nate88]

You have a very strange view of the world, Erik. There's no point in arguing with you further because you seem unwilling to consider anything outside the worldview you've already formed - but I strongly believe attitudes like yours are a big part of the reason why so many kids are growing up with a narrow and sheltered view of the world around them.

[nate88]

40 minutes ago, Marlin said:

What concerns me is that boys are being exposed to sex long before they are emotionally mature enough to make their own decisions.  

They're not allowed to be more emotionally mature because we're not teaching them how to be.

[Erik62]

5 hours ago, nate88 said:

They're not allowed to be more emotionally mature because we're not teaching them how to be.

Maturity is not LEARNED in a classroom. It is a process of maturity that any 8yr would actually display. To someone of this age having sex is relative to stealing a lolly. There IS NO full comprehension of what circumstances are occurring around him. 

[PupBoiRapeSlut]

7 hours ago, Erik62 said:

Negative consequence😭!!! I am NOT IMAGINING, they are very real, harmful, if not TOTALLY LIFE DESTROYING. Just so a few (gay or straight, male or female) people can say they enjoyed a "fuck" at 8,10, 12yrs etc there a SO MANY MORE who are scarred for life, if not dead from suicide. Children sex TRAFFICED or in cult groups also DO NOT get the benefit of sex education. Nothing can justify allowing under age sexual freedom.

NOTHING🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬!!!! 

Agreed

just because I can think back to when I got forced full of 2 loads from an old man on a camping trip at 13 and get horny from it doesn’t mean I want it to become semi legal and have it happen to other boys asses with barely any repercussions on the pervert who did it 

[Erik62]

6 hours ago, nate88 said:

You have a very strange view of the world, Erik. There's no point in arguing with you further because you seem unwilling to consider anything outside the worldview you've already formed - but I strongly believe attitudes like yours are a big part of the reason why so many kids are growing up with a narrow and sheltered view of the world around them.

My view of the world is a very broad but, stable one. One earned through professional, social, educational & personal learning & experience. Any person, gay, straight, male or female who thinks that age limits should be reduced are getting into predatory & other agendas that NO CHILD should be exposed too, no matter how hard you try to "teach" a child maturity. 

[jd13]

I didn't answer the poll, as I am entirely agnostic about the question. In the UK, the age of consent is 16, but there is a general perception that if you're 18+, you shouldn't be having sex with someone under 18, i.e. the age of consent is really there for people 16-18 to have sex with each other. That's my interpretation (and it may be wrong), and I think re: power inequalities across gender and age, that's probably a good idea.

All that said, I lost my virginity at 14 to a man who was 21. I felt completely vindicated about my sexuality when I did, went back to see him a number of times, and I have, by and large, completely positive perceptions about the whole situation. When I was 15, I started having sex with another older man (early 30s). Again, my memories are completely positive.

Which I guess makes me a bit of a hypocrite. I'm aware different people are ready at different times, and maybe the law has to walk a compromise between those varying readinesses and protection of children. Me, i didn't want protecting: I wanted to have sex. But just because that was my experience doesn't mean it must necessarily apply to everyone everywhere. And it doesn't: not even to me, across time.

When I was 27, I had the chance to have sex with a guy who was 17. He was completely into me, but the moment I found out he was 17 I backed away fully. Even though I lost my V at 14 to an older man. There's this feeling in me that, quite simply: it's different when you're older. I'm quite aware that's a fairly unformed opinion/feeling, but there it is.

On balance, then, I wouldn't advocate for the law to be changed, but it is 'on balance'... balancing between many opposing ideas, feelings, opinions, readinesses and protections (few of which I've mentioned here). On balance, I think we just about have the balance right... ish!

Edited November 17 by jd13

[hntnhole]

18 hours ago, Erik62 said:

B & B's (burns & bowels), Ortho (orthopaedics), BP (blood pressure) & one of the most fun to ask any nurse / doctor to say (quickly) is BPM / sphygmo (blood pressure monitor, sphygmomanometer).

I was about to eat some lunch ....... but I think I'll wait a while 😷

[Erik62]

8 hours ago, hntnhole said:

I was about to eat some lunch ....... but I think I'll wait a while 😷

Easy solution😲. Just try saying thei name for BP Monitor, FAST😱. Lunch will be very quick to prepare. It will be of the liquid kind🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.