Copyrighted Videos / Torrents

[ellentonboy]

Question.......when I first joined about a year ago a very nice moderator told me that discussing "torrents" was some what prohibited.  I have seen it mentioned in the past and I was curious as to what the situation is now.  I was told certain production companies (Lucas Entertainment, etc.) were aggressive in prosecuting those who downloaded from that site. What I have found is it is not the actual downloading, but the sharing of files, that gets you in trouble legally.

Can you tell me what you know persoanally?  Lucas Entertainment (and Corbin Fisher for that matter) have a reputation for going after individuals, but if you download and then erase that video from your torrents streaming platform, how can they track an individual down and what, if you know, are the consequences?

[viking8x6]

Technically speaking, downloading copyrighted material is making an illegal copy of it. Republishing that copy is another illegal act, and is (for obvious reasons) taken more seriously by producers and copyright holders. Using the material without remunerating the creator is morally questionable at best. That said, "people do it all the time". It is also relevant to consider that this site is funded to a substantial extent by commercial porn sites that pay to advertise here, and a discussion of how to undercut their business by using torrents might be something they consider unwelcome. There is a topic in the  Tips, Tricks & Help forum on the related subject of uploading copyrighted material to this site:

 

[Hotrawbutt4u]

I agree but wonder if there is an expiration date on media. The reason I ask I that imdowloaded a pic 20 years ago that for me is really hot. Blew more than one load imagening that I was the one in the pic. It didn't show anynfaces but what a great position the guy was strapped in

Never posted it anywhere

[ErosWired]

On 3/18/2023 at 6:30 PM, ellentonboy said:

but if you download and then erase that video from your torrents streaming platform, how can they track an individual down and what, if you know, are the consequences?

A: You question presumes it’s somehow okay to for a person to be a thief and take things he has to right to without payment. It’s why the practice is called piracy. Answering the question is therefore essentially facilitating an unlawful (not to say unethical) act.

B: You’re asking what the consequences are for the thief. But there are potential consequences for the ones making it possible for the stealing to take place. Perhaps you’ve heard of the notorious Pirate Bay, the site that’s been making it possible to impoverish hardworking creative people for years by providing a conduit for assholes to rip them off. The Pirate Bay is still running, and the pirates are still stealing…but the site founders went to jail. I’ve been on many a site where questions like the one you asked here are forbidden because if the site entertains them it looks like the site is promoting copyright infringement.

10 hours ago, Hotrawbutt4u said:

I agree but wonder if there is an expiration date on media.

There is, but you won’t like it. Under U.S. Copyright Law, as of 1978, a work is protected by copyright for the life of the creator plus an additional 70 years. For works subject to the international Berne Convention copyright protections, the standard is life of the creator plus 50 years. So if we assume that the cumdump in the latest TIM clip just out is 25, and he lives to be 75, the “expiration date” when you’ll be able to do whatever you want with that video will be in 2143. That assumes that the company that holds the copyright doesn’t extend it. And don’t think you could reach back to the early 70s and have your way with the vintage porn, either - anything later than around 1930 is probably still covered.

There’s a dead simple way around all the copyright restrictions on porn, though - make your own.

[ellentonboy]

20 hours ago, viking8x6 said:

Technically speaking, downloading copyrighted material is making an illegal copy of it. Republishing that copy is another illegal act, and is (for obvious reasons) taken more seriously by producers and copyright holders. Using the material without remunerating the creator is morally questionable at best. That said, "people do it all the time". It is also relevant to consider that this site is funded to a substantial extent by commercial porn sites that pay to advertise here, and a discussion of how to undercut their business by using torrents might be something they consider unwelcome. There is a topic in the  Tips, Tricks & Help forum on the related subject of uploading copyrighted material to this site:

 

Well I don't share the files, I don't use the "torrents" app either to view them.  I watch them, then delete.  I took the advice from torrents themselves when they say studios like Corbin Fisher and Lucas Entertainment are known to prosecute people who illegally download their movies, which is nothing I am crying over as those studies are two I stay away from.  I am aware of an individual in my area who downloaded the entire server from a now closed bath house in Tampa, and he was arrested on site and spent time in Federal prison.  Not the way I want to spend my time, so I have limited my downloads to a few times a year but I have wanted to keep the account active as new memberships have become increasing difficult to obtain.  

Not making excuses for my behavior but it just has been something I have had for so many years and it wasn't until I joined this Forum that I have heard negative feed back on it being either illegal or unethical (granted downloading the entire server from a bath house seemed to me to be somewhat different).  One poster stated I was stealing from OnlyFans models, but  I was in contact with one performer who told me he sold his entire collection to torrents that was made up to a certain date, and he said he has no issue with downloading his sold movies as he feels he has been fairly compensated.  Granted I reached out to him on Twitter (when it was under different ownership) however I can 't say honestly I asked each guy individually if he had a problem  with it.   I am curious how their movies end up there in the first place? I don't see an "upload" button under the list of movies so somehow torrents is obtaining them.

I guess I'll keep comments regarding torrents to myself from now on, it seems to be the dirty little secret that people know about but few admit to participating in.  I wonder just how many people (especially those who came online in the early 2000s) have active accounts but won't admit to it.  But I will follow the forum rules here, I wouldn't know how to upload material anyway yet I see many photos or still shots posted by others and I have always wondered why those are allowed.  Again, I had no plans doing that here but it does make me wonder when I see phots in galleries and it is clear that the pics posted are not the member, why is that okay?  Those pics had to come from somewhere.........

 

 

[viking8x6]

Relax, I wasn't intending to bash you. My purpose was more of a cautionary comment to keep the topic from going places it shouldn't.

I think this is mostly a case of technology moving faster than society can keep up. As such, it is up to each of us to rely on our own moral compass, in both word and deed.

[ellentonboy]

3 hours ago, viking8x6 said:

Relax, I wasn't intending to bash you. My purpose was more of a cautionary comment to keep the topic from going places it shouldn't.

I think this is mostly a case of technology moving faster than society can keep up. As such, it is up to each of us to rely on our own moral compass, in both word and deed.

No, I didn't think bashing was what you had in mind.  More like use your common sense, it'll make your life a lot less complicated.  I get it.......thanks.

[BadInBrooklyn]

Hi... Wanted to add a couple points...

When you download a torrent, you are connected to everyone else who is downloading it as well and you are all pulling the data from each other.  So by downloading a torrent, you are also sharing it.

Anyone using torrent software can easily see the IP address of everyone else connected to that torrent.  If the copyright holder wanted to they could contact your internet provider and demand to know who was using that IP address.  Safe Harbor laws would require your ISP to cooperate.  The rights holder could then sue the owner of that internet account for copyright infringement.  There are lots of stories from the old days of sweet little old ladies getting sued by record labels because the kids were using Grandma's internet to illegally download music.

 

[ellentonboy]

39 minutes ago, BadInBrooklyn said:

Hi... Wanted to add a couple points...

When you download a torrent, you are connected to everyone else who is downloading it as well and you are all pulling the data from each other.  So by downloading a torrent, you are also sharing it.

Anyone using torrent software can easily see the IP address of everyone else connected to that torrent.  If the copyright holder wanted to they could contact your internet provider and demand to know who was using that IP address.  Safe Harbor laws would require your ISP to cooperate.  The rights holder could then sue the owner of that internet account for copyright infringement.  There are lots of stories from the old days of sweet little old ladies getting sued by record labels because the kids were using Grandma's internet to illegally download music.

 

I am well  aware of which video companies prosecute individuals and which do not (Corbin Fisher, Lucas Entertainment are notorious for going after torrents downloaders).   A certified, dependable VPN prevents my IP address from being shared, so no, my IP address is not being shared.

I don't turn on the VPN unless I use torrents, I use one specific computer and I have had that torrents account since 2005, not about to give it up.

[ErosWired]

On 3/20/2023 at 10:16 AM, viking8x6 said:

I think this is mostly a case of technology moving faster than society can keep up. As such, it is up to each of us to rely on our own moral compass, in both word and deed.

Torrents are not, of course, evil in and of themselves - it’s nothing but a method of distributed data transfer, and can be used for perfectly legitimate purposes. It’s the moral compasses that are the problem for this, and every, technology that trusts humans to be on their best behavior. ‘Best behavior’ is not the human default. We aren’t born that way, we have to be taught how to behave, and most people revert at any opportunity because being on your best behavior often involves denying your own pleasure center, and requires mental effort.

On 4/2/2023 at 2:31 PM, ellentonboy said:

I am well  aware of which video companies prosecute individuals and which do not

Which do not at this time. All of them have the right, and any of them could choose to exercise it at any moment. Just because they’re not at the moment doesn’t make it any less wrong to take their stuff than from those who do.

But ethics aside, your VPN doesn’t mean it’s safe for you to torrent. Using torrents for illicit content is a lot like cumdumping for cock at an ABS: The place that hosts the activity is shady, people come there because of the lack of restrictions, and if you keep coming back, eventually you’re going to get infected. Torrents are notorious for spreading viruses and other malware that could render the end user’s careful use of a VPN meaningless. A VPN may hide your face, but it’s not a computer condom.

[mort]

On 3/20/2023 at 4:58 AM, ErosWired said:

A: You question presumes it’s somehow okay to for a person to be a thief and take things he has to right to without payment. It’s why the practice is called piracy. Answering the question is therefore essentially facilitating an unlawful (not to say unethical) act.

B: You’re asking what the consequences are for the thief. But there are potential consequences for the ones making it possible for the stealing to take place. Perhaps you’ve heard of the notorious Pirate Bay, the site that’s been making it possible to impoverish hardworking creative people for years by providing a conduit for assholes to rip them off. The Pirate Bay is still running, and the pirates are still stealing…but the site founders went to jail. I’ve been on many a site where questions like the one you asked here are forbidden because if the site entertains them it looks like the site is promoting copyright infringement.

There is, but you won’t like it. Under U.S. Copyright Law, as of 1978, a work is protected by copyright for the life of the creator plus an additional 70 years. For works subject to the international Berne Convention copyright protections, the standard is life of the creator plus 50 years. So if we assume that the cumdump in the latest TIM clip just out is 25, and he lives to be 75, the “expiration date” when you’ll be able to do whatever you want with that video will be in 2143. That assumes that the company that holds the copyright doesn’t extend it. And don’t think you could reach back to the early 70s and have your way with the vintage porn, either - anything later than around 1930 is probably still covered.

There’s a dead simple way around all the copyright restrictions on porn, though - make your own.

 

A. This is wrong and is something a lot of people have been misled about a thief is not the same as a person who breaches copyright

 

One is a criminal act the other is a civil matter.

 

This is why most times law enforcement will make up bogus claims its to fund terrorism or organized crime when they do raids.

 

B.  Again you are using the wrong terms and trying to put people into criminal group when they are not.

 

You mentioned about Pirate Bay founders do you know why these people went to jail it wasn't for "copyright" I suggest you really look into the case and listen to the real evidence not what the media etc have fed people (A hint for you they was all rich it was used as a business the court even said they was not criminals)

 

This is why they had to pay compensation.

 

A lot of politics and other things at play as well.

 

 

 

[ErosWired]

1 hour ago, mort said:

A. This is wrong and is something a lot of people have been misled about a thief is not the same as a person who breaches copyright

Whether the legal terms line up precisely or not, I assure you, a person who breaches copyright is a thief from the perspective of the copyright holder. How do I know this? I’m a published writer and creative professional. My livelihood (read: actual money) has derived in part from my intellectual property that is protected by copyright. If another person were to make use of my original creative output in any way that deprives me of the benefit (again, read: actual money) of the use of my intellectual property, that person has, in any sense you like, stolen from me. A person who steals is a thief.

A person who breaches copyright to use another person’s work, uncompensated, for his own gain robs the owner of the opportunity to use his property as he sees fit; to use his property in that way; and to realize the profit made from that use. A person who breaches copyright by acquiring a copyrighted work like a book or movie without paying the required fee for access to the material, whether buying or renting, is also directly depriving the copyright owner of the value of his work, and enjoying the value of the creator’s work at the creator’s expense. A thief who steals my wallet and spends my money for his own enjoyment is no different.

 I grow extremely weary of apologists who try to claim that there’s somehow nothing really wrong with taking or using copyrighted matter that doesn’t belong to them, because it’s so easy, everybody does it, it’s just words and pictures, who cares? We care. It’s wrong. And regardless of how the law may prosecute it, I look at the man who steals what’s mine and I see a goddamn thief.

Edited April 8, 2023 by ErosWired

[mort]

2 hours ago, ErosWired said:

Whether the legal terms line up precisely or not, I assure you, a person who breaches copyright is a thief from the perspective of the copyright holder. How do I know this? I’m a published writer and creative professional. My livelihood (read: actual money) has derived in part from my intellectual property that is protected by copyright. If another person were to make use of my original creative output in any way that deprives me of the benefit (again, read: actual money) of the use of my intellectual property, that person has, in any sense you like, stolen from me. A person who steals is a thief.

A person who breaches copyright to use another person’s work, uncompensated, for his own gain robs the owner of the opportunity to use his property as he sees fit; to use his property in that way; and to realize the profit made from that use. A person who breaches copyright by acquiring a copyrighted work like a book or movie without paying the required fee for access to the material, whether buying or renting, is also directly depriving the copyright owner of the value of his work, and enjoying the value of the creator’s work at the creator’s expense. A thief who steals my wallet and spends my money for his own enjoyment is no different.

 I grow extremely weary of apologists who try to claim that there’s somehow nothing really wrong with taking or using copyrighted matter that doesn’t belong to them, because it’s so easy, everybody does it, it’s just words and pictures, who cares? We care. It’s wrong. And regardless of how the law may prosecute it, I look at the man who steals what’s mine and I see a goddamn thief.

 

How is being a published writer or creative professional relevant? It's not.

 

The laws of many countries are clear it's not criminal.

 

Nobody robs owner of anything this is why it's civil and loses as you put it is what you are awarded back in the civil case if you can provide evidence.

 

You can keep repeating words like thief or stolen all you like it doesn't change anything they are the wrong terms in the eyes of the law and you are wrong.

 

 

[ErosWired]

3 hours ago, mort said:

How is being a published writer or creative professional relevant? It's not.

Seriously? In a discussion of copyright? You just convinced me that everything you’ve written is word salad.

[viking8x6]

On 4/8/2023 at 3:35 AM, mort said:

The laws of many countries are clear it's not criminal.

The laws of the U.S. (where this site is hosted and where @ErosWired resides) are clear, in point of fact, that copyright violations can be prosecuted both civilly and criminally. I looked it up.

https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#506