Any LGBT+ Republican individual out here?

[barefucker44]

6 hours ago, NWUSHorny said:

For some perspective, I have always considered myself a small government, fiscal prudence, civil/social/cultural libertarian, who believes a politician must have decent enough character to set a good leadership example both domestically and on the international stage, who believes the robust level of immigration and infusion of new ideas has been one of the unique economic advantages the United States has enjoyed over its entire existence, I usually voted Republican prior to 2016. I made exceptions if the candidate was what we now call a cultural warrior, was overtly racist or anti-immigration, or was lacking in the character required to set a leadership example. I voted for Garry Johnson in 2016, think it would limit Hillary's mandate, Biden in 2020 because Trump's term was even worse than anything I could have even imagined from both a policy and leadership perspective.

I'm at the elder end of Gen-X, and have voted in every election since 1987. I can't even comprehend how anyone who claims to be a fiscal conservative, civil libertarian, cares about national security, or believes that the character of our politicians matters, can vote for Trump or any craven MAGA candidate who's only campaign promise is to do whatever Trump and/or the loudest craziest faction of MAGA (there are a lot of policy areas where Trump himself doesn't have a strong position so he defers to the loudest craziest conspiracy driven group of his coalition to keep their votes) personally demands. His entire political career and the MAGA political movement (and the Tea Party before it) has been a race to the absolute lowest common denominator.

This political transformation, at least in terms of party leaning is not because I'm bi, my entire family and many of my straight friends that previously learned Republican have arrived at the exact same place. We have a lot of policy differences with Biden, but even on policy Biden is very clearly the least of the 2 evils.

I disagree with many of your points.  Trump was a fantastic president as the numbers over his term reveal.  Too numerous to quote here, but easily searchable.  I look forward to him being president again.  The modern democrat in power today is not the democrat of old, the modern democrat or leftist in power has nothing but socialist/communist goals.   These have of course been proven to be ineffective and debilitating to the masses. Fortunately, gay people are not of one party. About 40% are republican actually. Brandon Straka and his Walk Away campaign have proven that.  Also observe that so many people are leaving blue states and moving to red states with common sense values and policies.  Even in deep blue California where I lived for many years, there is a resurgence of conservatism as there should be.  The modern leftist democratic policies simply do not work and they take a huge toll on everyone.  This is incontrovertible due to the migration patterns we see in the US today.  The MAGA movement has fortunately spread to other countries, Argentina being just one example as well as El Salvador. Some Republicans and conservatives think gays are sinful, but most at least accept gays and grant them the same rights anyone else has.  Log Cabin Republicans is a gay republican group in fact.  The democrats use gays as a political pawn just as they do other groups.  I know a ton of super conservative gay guys. 

[HairyPozBottom]

1 hour ago, barefucker44 said:

I disagree with many of your points.  Trump was a fantastic president as the numbers over his term reveal.  Too numerous to quote here, but easily searchable.  I look forward to him being president again.  The modern democrat in power today is not the democrat of old, the modern democrat or leftist in power has nothing but socialist/communist goals.   These have of course been proven to be ineffective and debilitating to the masses. Fortunately, gay people are not of one party. About 40% are republican actually. Brandon Straka and his Walk Away campaign have proven that.  Also observe that so many people are leaving blue states and moving to red states with common sense values and policies.  Even in deep blue California where I lived for many years, there is a resurgence of conservatism as there should be.  The modern leftist democratic policies simply do not work and they take a huge toll on everyone.  This is incontrovertible due to the migration patterns we see in the US today.  The MAGA movement has fortunately spread to other countries, Argentina being just one example as well as El Salvador. Some Republicans and conservatives think gays are sinful, but most at least accept gays and grant them the same rights anyone else has.  Log Cabin Republicans is a gay republican group in fact.  The democrats use gays as a political pawn just as they do other groups.  I know a ton of super conservative gay guys. 

I'm sure some Jews, gays, Poles and Romani liked Hitler too. 

[Nude]

How did America get here?  Just a short time ago there wasn't this big power grab on the Left.  I heard a lot of promises for Gays, ending HIV and so many other things while someone was running.  But once he got in office he didn't do any of that, I feel I was Gaslighted into thinking they care.  But with the open borders from CA to FL.  Low accountability on laws, not enforcing laws already in the book.  The president has the power to shut down the border so the USA can be a true country.  I fled CA because of the taxes and laws not being enforced for my safety, OMG, those both have gone up 500%.  Then their gas has so much ethanol, it makes the little gas you have burn faster, thus pushing the electric cars.  Yes, ethanol has pollution too.  But they used the gas taxes on other stuff other than highway infrastructure and used on who knows what?  Cars aren't going to be able to drive roads that falling apart.  Capitalism helped build the roads.  The others keep letting them rot.  Hard to do the math.  Pushing for all the electric autos is tanking automakers.  Read about Ford and how much they lost.  The current batteries on the market can't hold up to the lack of infrastructure across the USA.  As good as it sounds on TV or phone news.  They have been giving more attention and our tax money to other countries than us.  Or taxes are for USA infrastructure and so many other things.  Giving it away isn't ethical!  I will have to defect from the left.  Someone mentioned I should watch both sides of the news, then think way outside of the box about what each wants, how they changed over the years, and how one blames the other to be their scapegoats.  The news isn't always correct, I noticed a lot of new stations on the left talked about what a few people said, and then I watched it on the other side in the video.  Not what the L side said.  Why lie?  It's not right to blame one's emotions on someone else.  We are all human, when are we going to start acting like them again?  Ever been to a K9 kennel full of K9's?  That's what all this sounds like.  If you're not on the left, you're nothing but a pile of mud/crap. That's 100% Discrimanation. What happened?  Treating each other with kindness is easier than hate, and way less stressful.

[hntnhole]

14 hours ago, barefucker44 said:

Also observe that so many people are leaving blue states and moving to red states with common sense values and policies.

That may or may not be, but some empirical evidence supporting your 'observation' would be appreciated.  Thanks.

[hntnhole]

15 hours ago, barefucker44 said:

Trump was a fantastic president

Well, if you believe in attempting to overthrow the Government, invalidating elections, raping women, cheating every service-provider you do business with, cozying up to every dictator he can find,  has what it takes to be a 'fantastic' President, shirking his duty to Serve when called, claiming 'bone-spurs", then yeah. 

For me, not so much.  

[topblkmale]

 

16 hours ago, barefucker44 said:

 

Also observe that so many people are leaving blue states and moving to red states with common sense values and policies. 

 

 

Blue states are welcoming the newcomers.

 

[TaKinGDeePanal]

On 3/4/2024 at 7:07 AM, BootmanLA said:

It's the utter disregard for anyone other than himself, including this nation and our allies. Early in his term he blabbed Israeli intelligence to Russian officials right in the Oval Office, including giving enough detail to out intelligence sources.

Hence the humanitarian catastrophe that is currently Palestine. Israeli sources didn't pick up on Hamas chatter because Hamas ultimately didn't plan October 7. The Russians provided the logistics, weapons, training and ammunition through their proxy in the Middle East (Iran). Hamas' tactics, including burnings rapes and kidnappings mirrored how the Russians have always waged War.

[BootmanLA]

On 3/3/2024 at 2:50 PM, topblkmale said:

I read, (skimmed through) all five paragraphs and nowhere did I see why someone might vote for Biden.

Because only Trump or Biden will be the next president. If you think Biden is any better than Trump, AT ALL, then you should vote for him. If you think Trump is better, by all means, vote for the fascist. If you see no difference between the two, then by all means, throw your vote away on someone who can't win, and then prepare for four years of people telling you "Shut the fuck up about anything governmental or political because you had a chance to affect the outcome, and you threw it in the trash."

[BootmanLA]

22 hours ago, barefucker44 said:

I disagree with many of your points.  Trump was a fantastic president as the numbers over his term reveal.  Too numerous to quote here, but easily searchable. 

In other words, you're bullshitting and can't actually point to anything he accomplished.

22 hours ago, barefucker44 said:

The modern democrat in power today is not the democrat of old, the modern democrat or leftist in power has nothing but socialist/communist goals. 

You say, but you provide no proof. Regardless, I assume you're going to forfeit your social security and medicare, because those are "socialist" and you certainly don't want to be a socialist.

22 hours ago, barefucker44 said:

These have of course been proven to be ineffective and debilitating to the masses. 

Actually, communism and socialism are two entirely different things, and both come in many varieties. Communism in eastern Europe (including the USSR/Russia) failed spectacularly. It's done fairly well in Vietnam. Socialism - especially the Social Democracy variant - has provided very well across much of Europe, where the poverty rates are lower, people work fewer hours with more guaranteed time off, they're healthier, and they're happier. I suppose if you think the only measure of a good governmental system is how many billionaires it manages to produce - a status that 99.99999999% of people in this country will never achieve, no matter how great the USA is - then yeah, I'd say you're onto something. 

22 hours ago, barefucker44 said:

Fortunately, gay people are not of one party. About 40% are republican actually. Brandon Straka and his Walk Away campaign have proven that. 

This is 100% bullshit. About 50% of LGBT people are Democrats. About 15% are Republicans. The rest are other party or not affiliated with any party, and both of those tend to vote with one or the other party >95% of the time, in general proportion to the parties' numbers. So the reality is, there are fewer than 25% of LGBT people who routinely vote Republican.

Walk Away was an AstroTurf organization - one created with fake people promoting something that never really happened. In fact, most of the people shown in Walk Away's ads were stock photos available online, or AI generated images. And exit polling showed that in fact Walk Away had zero impact on actual voters voting.

22 hours ago, barefucker44 said:

Also observe that so many people are leaving blue states and moving to red states with common sense values and policies.  Even in deep blue California where I lived for many years, there is a resurgence of conservatism as there should be. 

People are leaving many states, both blue and red, and moving to other states, both blue and red. Washington is a very liberal state (not the eastern part, but only about 10% of the population lives on that side of the state), and it's one of the fastest growing states in the country. So is Colorado, and all the growth is happening in the blue parts of the state.

Texas is growing, but it's becoming more purple, trending blue, in the process. Texas would actually have a fairly balanced legislature and congressional delegation if it weren't gerrymandered to hell and back for the Republicans. Ditto for Georgia.

22 hours ago, barefucker44 said:

The modern leftist democratic policies simply do not work and they take a huge toll on everyone.  This is incontrovertible due to the migration patterns we see in the US today. 

Logical reasoning is clearly not your strong suit, but let me see if I can simplify this for you. Just because A happens, and then B happens, does not mean that A caused B, any more than a rooster crowing is what makes the sun rise. Migration patterns happen for a lot of reasons, and if it were all due to "modern leftist democratic policies" then West Virginia and Mississippi, two of the reddest states in the nation, wouldn't be the ONLY two that actually LOST population - not just failed to grow, but LOST population - in the 2020 census.

Louisiana is also a very red state, and we're barely holding even on population, much less growing. Other states with very slow growth rates: Kansas, Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Wyoming, Kentucky, Indiana - all red states. In fact, despite your take that everyone is fleeing California, it grew faster in the 2010-2020 census data than ANY of the red states I listed. 

23 hours ago, barefucker44 said:

The MAGA movement has fortunately spread to other countries, Argentina being just one example as well as El Salvador.

Yes, and unencumbered by our constitutional norms, they're rapidly becoming autocratic sewers. You're putting an awful lot of faith in our constitutional norms - which, in essence, have to be taken on faith - to assume Trump won't do to us what Erdogan is doing in Turkey, or Orban in Hungary. 

23 hours ago, barefucker44 said:

Some Republicans and conservatives think gays are sinful, but most at least accept gays and grant them the same rights anyone else has.  Log Cabin Republicans is a gay republican group in fact.  The democrats use gays as a political pawn just as they do other groups.  I know a ton of super conservative gay guys. 

Republicans are using LCR and other "gay republicans" as cover - tokens, just like token Blacks have been used for decades to cover up their racism. And I'm sure you do know some super conservative gay guys - unfortunately, the kind of "I got mine, fuck the rest of you" attitude infects gay men just as it infects straight people. 

[Nude]

I've never met a mean or racist Republican.  They welcome others as long as they aren't criminals.  The other side loves crime, or they would have done something about it by now instead of passing the blame and making things up.  Reading a paragraph or two thinking your getting the skinny, might be good to watch Congress on YT.  Get a closer look before going to most of the Gaslighting new outlets.  My taxes and insurance were lower by over $1,500 to $3,000, gas was less because we were drilling the cleanest oil in the USA, and Crime was $1,000% lower,  with trump in office.  Biden left trillions worth $$$$ of military equipment in some country.  Left for them to use for the wars currently going on. 

Edited March 5 by Nude

[hntnhole]

16 hours ago, TaKinGDeePanal said:

The Russians provided the logistics, weapons, training and ammunition through their proxy in the Middle East (Iran).

That's an interesting hypothesis, and not all that surprising.  Is there any actual evidence that's how it (Oct) was effected?  I'd be interested to read whatever there is ... 

[hntnhole]

13 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

gerrymandered to hell and back

Thanks to Tom DeLay - also known for his "ballroom" dancing on some tv show years ago - who specialized in ultra-fine-tooth drawing of legislative lines.  Not since "Da Mayor" - Richard J. Daley of Chicago - gerrymandered a thiiiiin line along Touhy Ave from the city out to O'Hare (and thus controlling every job out there he possibly could), has an expert like DeLay busied himself with the fine art of gerrymandering. 

Equally (or maybe more) talented at gerrymandering, Tom Delay's available map to effect his skill was much larger than "Da Mayor's" map.

[TaKinGDeePanal]

5 hours ago, hntnhole said:

That's an interesting hypothesis, and not all that surprising.  Is there any actual evidence that's how it (Oct) was effected?  I'd be interested to read whatever there is ... 

I’ll see if I can find the relevant article from a guy called Thom Hartmann. Having a Minor in Middle Eastern and Soviet Politics - plus a background in the Military (and sitting through lectures about International Humanitarian and Military Law) - gives you an insight and greater/broader understanding than 99.995% of the general population. 

[BootmanLA]

18 hours ago, Nude said:

I've never met a mean or racist Republican.  They welcome others as long as they aren't criminals.  The other side loves crime, or they would have done something about it by now instead of passing the blame and making things up.  Reading a paragraph or two thinking your getting the skinny, might be good to watch Congress on YT.  Get a closer look before going to most of the Gaslighting new outlets.  My taxes and insurance were lower by over $1,500 to $3,000, gas was less because we were drilling the cleanest oil in the USA, and Crime was $1,000% lower,  with trump in office.  Biden left trillions worth $$$$ of military equipment in some country.  Left for them to use for the wars currently going on. 

As we say down south here.....Oh honey, bless your heart.

I'd go through this piece by piece but it's such a delusional screed it's not worth it. The president has literally zero to do with insurance costs, and if your taxes went up, it was either state/local taxes (again, the president doesn't control those) or you made more money, because there have been NO income tax increases under Biden whatsoever. Gas prices, again, aren't set by the president, and they respond almost entirely to supply and demand. Even oil company executives will tell you that federal drilling policy has almost nothing to do with gas prices in this country.

Crime cannot be "1000% lower" because "100%" lower means eliminated entirely. In point of fact, most crime has been dropping, and people's perception of crime is skewed because social media and sensationalist news sites play up crime for ratings and clicks. Both crime overall and violent crime in particular are lower. Moreover, Republicans love to tout high crime rates in big, Democratic-led cities, but the truth is that red-state crime (in places like, say, Mississippi) are double that of big cities like Chicago and New York.

And as for the military equipment - in order to have left "trillions" in military equipment (presumably in Afghanistan), he would have had to have left behind nearly three years' worth of the ENTIRE military budget - including salaries, health care costs, etc. - but all in equipment; or in other words, about 10 YEARS' worth of ALL equipment purchases. If we take big-ticket items like aircraft carriers and such out of the picture (because we sure as hell didn't leave those behind), you're saying that we left behind about 35 YEARS' worth of purchases of military equipment in that country. That's bullshit. We don't even have that much stuff in total around the world.

Look, I get it - you like the wannabe dictator, so fine, vote for him if you insist. Just try to come up with more credible lies, because right now, this is just pathetic.

[Nude]

14 minutes ago, BootmanLA said:

As we say down south here.....Oh honey, bless your heart.

I'd go through this piece by piece but it's such a delusional screed it's not worth it. The president has literally zero to do with insurance costs, and if your taxes went up, it was either state/local taxes (again, the president doesn't control those) or you made more money, because there have been NO income tax increases under Biden whatsoever. Gas prices, again, aren't set by the president, and they respond almost entirely to supply and demand. Even oil company executives will tell you that federal drilling policy has almost nothing to do with gas prices in this country.

Crime cannot be "1000% lower" because "100%" lower means eliminated entirely. In point of fact, most crime has been dropping, and people's perception of crime is skewed because social media and sensationalist news sites play up crime for ratings and clicks. Both crime overall and violent crime in particular are lower. Moreover, Republicans love to tout high crime rates in big, Democratic-led cities, but the truth is that red-state crime (in places like, say, Mississippi) are double that of big cities like Chicago and New York.

And as for the military equipment - in order to have left "trillions" in military equipment (presumably in Afghanistan), he would have had to have left behind nearly three years' worth of the ENTIRE military budget - including salaries, health care costs, etc. - but all in equipment; or in other words, about 10 YEARS' worth of ALL equipment purchases. If we take big-ticket items like aircraft carriers and such out of the picture (because we sure as hell didn't leave those behind), you're saying that we left behind about 35 YEARS' worth of purchases of military equipment in that country. That's bullshit. We don't even have that much stuff in total around the world.

Look, I get it - you like the wannabe dictator, so fine, vote for him if you insist. Just try to come up with more credible lies, because right now, this is just pathetic.

Impressive! Wannabe dictator, is that the best you have?