PozBearWI Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 My hope @Erik62 is that the majority of us (and MAGA thinking is no where close to majority) coalesce into a unified opposition and we come back to the center; where the needs of most is the emphasis. Not that we shouldn't help our unique fellows, just not at the expense of the whole shebang.
hntnhole Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 23 hours ago, PozBearWI said: A bit of an amendment if you please.... If this was it, than I suppose it's ok if we agree to disagree?
hntnhole Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 12 hours ago, Erik62 said: "violence is NOT OK & we as civilised people have the power & desire to ensure that we do not allow ourselves to fall into this dynamic again That is the enduring and constant goal, whatever the source of the inequity happens to be. 1
PozBearWI Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 1 hour ago, hntnhole said: That is the enduring and constant goal, whatever the source of the inequity happens to be. As much as I agree that violence is not OK, human history has it as the primary remedy. Most of the time someone is at war. Duking it out until one side is worn down from the aggression of the other. As options go, and as sad as it is; it is becoming ever more "the popular option package". So violence and taking up arms. Sadly, our society already does that and celebrates it in a ritual of "sacred rights" rather than social guardrails help the most. Gun violence is celebrated in our "entertainment". Our fun is way less about reflecting to us how we actually interact with each other, married to some humor, to help us recognize some of our own tunnel vision. We look for "superheroes" and expect that of our leader. So, yeah, I'm not a gun guy and to become that after three quarters a century? If I have to kill my neighbor then shoot me first please. Not the world I want to live in. This whole thing about show our facts, discuss our points of view allows for us to come to an understanding. It seems as if we are split and focused on two different sets of data. There is only 1 100% of us. Our numbers have doubled twice and are approaching a third doubling since my late 40's birth. Plus we continue to not recognize our rapidly changing climate. Perhaps the end of our species draws near. We've danced around with our finger near the button for all of my life, and then some; the better part of century. We each have significant impact on each other, It would appear authoritarianism is the emerging wave of how humans choose to be ruled. A daddy as it were to take care of us, let us drive the car and provide a room for us.... And perhaps that is natures way of culling the herd. But we've also seen some pulling together. The 1960's sure felt like our nation was coming apart. TV news brought hanging or worse, chaining up and dragging behind the truck of black men. KKK rallies were also a news item. No one seemed to agree. Somehow, we seemed to reconcile more than not... But we've lost that. We've taken sides as if society was a football game. As much as we know 100% agreement is unlikely, 75% means most agree. 50/50 means we should talk more widely and publicly because we seem to be talking over or around each other and not achieving understanding. When I say "talk about" I don't mean so called "conversations" where people talking over each other is accepted as conversation. Those aren't. Those are just two people yelling and zero people listening. And a number of news shows demonstrate that behavior quite well. If TV wants to do something profound, they would have dialogues which don't start out with "the answer". And if they start talking over each other there is a mandatory 60 seconds of utter silence, and then each speaker one at a time; enforced. 🙂 Obviously bad parenting.
PozBearWI Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 1 hour ago, hntnhole said: If this was it, than I suppose it's ok if we agree to disagree? Man I am not begging for your agreement. I like you @hntnhole. But I'll be happier if you be yourself; no need to apologize.
hntnhole Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 Well, I respect your input too. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree regarding what an apology is, and what it isn't. Cheers. 😉
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