Gosh. We’re all toast.

[Pozzible]

The NYPD is Teaching is Teaching America How to Track Everyone Everday Forever

NYT gift article….

[think before following links] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/09/15/opinion/nypd-surveillance.html?unlocked_article_code=1.mU8.A8K2.xjed9mR0gIOY&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

[Infected]

And this surprises you how?  As technology improves and becomes more wide spread, expect this to happen.  If you don’t like it, move to a less populated area or one with less technological usage.  Seems like a simple solution to me.  Live in a major city, expect everyone to be watching or spying on you.  As for me, I love my rural upbringing and current lifestyle where the nearest neighbor is a Holstein cow by the property fence line. 😝

[SomewhereonNeptune]

3 minutes ago, Infected said:

And this surprises you how?  As technology improves and becomes more wide spread, expect this to happen.  If you don’t like it, move to a less populated area or one with less technological usage.  Seems like a simple solution to me.  Live in a major city, expect everyone to be watching or spying on you.  As for me, I love my rural upbringing and current lifestyle where the nearest neighbor is a Holstein cow by the property fence line. 😝

London has been one of the most surveilled cities in the world for years due to the sheer penetration of CCTV. Let's ask our UK friends about whether this has changed their behavior.

[Pozzible]

I’m not surprised. It was inevitable. But it came faster than I expected. And I don’t think this is something you can hide from. Not even living in rural America. (Read the entire article.) At least for anyone online, this is all part of our “permanent record.” We’re already seeing it affect people entering or leaving the  US.

[Poz50something]

I think we constantly balance freedom and security. One result of CCTV, everyone carrying their cellphones and tech devices in general is we can no longer be anonymous or even unmonitored. Derek Chauvin was arrested and is now in jail for the rest of his life, because of the overwhelming amount of evidence from private cellphones documenting his gross civil rights abuses. My worry is that one day, the technology will be able to doctor such evidence to reach conclusions that lazy prosecutors want to reach. 

[hntnhole]

Well, just getting up in the morning poses a risk (slipping in the shower, some damn thing), so do we go back to bed and hide under the covers? 

No.  We proceed with our lives, and if/when the piper comes to be paid, we fuck the piper instead.  

[Pozzible]

3 hours ago, SomewhereonNeptune said:

London has been one of the most surveilled cities in the world for years due to the sheer penetration of CCTV.

CCTV is one thing, a matrix of all our data is quite another. After reading the NYT article, try reading the Wikipedia page on right to privacy. Kiss that goodbye. Everything we’ve ever done online is captured. Every hookup made, every story read, every movie watched, every post, every comment. And all of it instantly analyzed. I suspected we’d eventually live in a dystopian Huxley novel. Just came sooner than I expected. 

[SomewhereonNeptune]

3 hours ago, Pozzible said:

CCTV is one thing, a matrix of all our data is quite another. After reading the NYT article, try reading the Wikipedia page on right to privacy. Kiss that goodbye. Everything we’ve ever done online is captured. Every hookup made, every story read, every movie watched, every post, every comment. And all of it instantly analyzed. I suspected we’d eventually live in a dystopian Huxley novel. Just came sooner than I expected. 

Well now we have a world online with social media where it came along, was free, and most of us volunteers our interests and everything about ourselves. What we buy, what we eat, what we watch, who we like and how we're all 6-degrees of separation. And we did all of that voluntarily. 

If we were smart enough, we'd ditch our online identities (mostly) and adopt a different or more anonymous persona so that the data we're providing is completely misleading. Let them think you're really "Steve from Austin who is a womanizer, drinks craft beer and is a rabid Cowboys fan with a pizza addiction". 😉

[verbalBTTM]

13 hours ago, SomewhereonNeptune said:

Well now we have a world online with social media where it came along, was free, and most of us volunteers our interests and everything about ourselves. What we buy, what we eat, what we watch, who we like and how we're all 6-degrees of separation. And we did all of that voluntarily. 

If we were smart enough, we'd ditch our online identities (mostly) and adopt a different or more anonymous persona so that the data we're providing is completely misleading. Let them think you're really "Steve from Austin who is a womanizer, drinks craft beer and is a rabid Cowboys fan with a pizza addiction". 😉

Speaking for myself, I was always anon online, and then things changed. Hiding became impossible if you lived in the modern world. From RFID tags embedded in everything you own to the time you take your morning shit,

 

Skynet is aware of everything in real-time and can predict your movements and thoughts with a high degree of accuracy. Unless you're willing to live like Ted Kaczynski congratulations, you're in the matrix. Operation JLENS made hiding impossible, no matter what precautions you take.

[SomewhereonNeptune]

10 hours ago, verbalBTTM said:

Speaking for myself, I was always anon online, and then things changed. Hiding became impossible if you lived in the modern world. From RFID tags embedded in everything you own to the time you take your morning shit, Skynet is aware of everything in real-time and can predict your movements and thoughts with a high degree of accuracy. Unless you're willing to live like Ted Kaczynski congratulations, you're in the matrix. 

Mine varies. 🤣

I grant you that a lot is known about each of us that we're not completely anonymous, and the amount of intelligence gathered is increasing almost exponentially. It doesn't mean that all of that information is accurate or a few bogeys couldn't be thrown in the mix to fuck a bit with the algorithms. Anyone can operate under multiple personas, and as long as we keep going down the road of RFIDs and chips and encrypted credit card numbers versus cash for payment, we're enabling that direction.

Helpful Trick: When you go to CVS, do you actually give them your phone number, or do you give them (XXX) 867-5309? Try the latter sometime and have it print out that CVS receipt with the coupons. I once got one around 10 feet long of offers, some I might buy but most I wouldn't. Do that with any "loyalty card" and see what you get. In a small way, you've thrown off the system and benefitted from everyone else who racks up loyalty points from doing so.

[Pozzible]

3 hours ago, SomewhereonNeptune said:

Mine varies. 🤣

I’m not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean how anonymous you are varies?

 

3 hours ago, SomewhereonNeptune said:

I grant you that a lot is known about each of us that we're not completely anonymous, and the amount of intelligence gathered is increasing almost exponentially. It doesn't mean that all of that information is accurate or a few bogeys couldn't be thrown in the mix to fuck a bit with the algorithms. Anyone can operate under multiple personas, and as long as we keep going down the road of RFIDs and chips and encrypted credit card numbers versus cash for payment, we're enabling that direction.

I believe I understand what you’re saying here. But that first phrase is the key. If we’re not completely anonymous, then our multiple personas don’t seem to matter. Do your personas not have any connection to the others? I doubt it. Trust me I’ve thought about that a lot, but even if we’re messing with the algorithms, I think that’ll soon be irrelevant. If the amount of intelligence is even “almost exponential”, how long do you think that will be true? AI will isolate the bogeys soon enough. So you give CVS a fake phone number, are you giving them a unique, fake email address? A fake name? A fake birthday? A fake ID? Are you paying them in cash? Are you getting prescriptions filled there? The doctors’ information alone is enough to tie it all together. 

Do you use a VPN? Does your VPN provider have an audited, no logs policy? Is the provider based in the US or hosted on US servers?

[verbalBTTM]

5 hours ago, SomewhereonNeptune said:

Mine varies. 🤣

I grant you that a lot is known about each of us that we're not completely anonymous, and the amount of intelligence gathered is increasing almost exponentially. It doesn't mean that all of that information is accurate or a few bogeys couldn't be thrown in the mix to fuck a bit with the algorithms. Anyone can operate under multiple personas, and as long as we keep going down the road of RFIDs and chips and encrypted credit card numbers versus cash for payment, we're enabling that direction.

Helpful Trick: When you go to CVS, do you actually give them your phone number, or do you give them (XXX) 867-5309? Try the latter sometime and have it print out that CVS receipt with the coupons. I once got one around 10 feet long of offers, some I might buy but most I wouldn't. Do that with any "loyalty card" and see what you get. In a small way, you've thrown off the system and benefitted from everyone else who racks up loyalty points from doing so.

I always keep a rotating inventory of false profiles when dealing with corporate entities. I even have a MD that doesn't take insurance, so everything is cash. I live off the grid as much as possible, but when they want you, they will find you.

 

When they tried Operation Starlight, they didn't just employ the cluster array of cameras attached to a blimp. They fused together every bank, deli, restaurant, and business camera, storing it all in a data center that recorded at least six months of video and location data. They were able to track back from an incident and follow the suspect in reverse to their home.

 

The ACLU sued the state of Maryland to stop that level of surveillance, but we all know it didn't stop. The problem is that the technology is so good, and it's the perfect tool to maintain control if so desired.

 

We wanted Star Trek, unfortunately I think we're going to get 1984