Venezuela

[tobetrained]

22 hours ago, Erik62 said:

It just gauls me that Trump, Netanyahu & Putin are still running around, being allowed to cause chaos & NOBODY has yet even tried to "kidnap" any of them. Kidnapping might be a too soft solution

I really don't care who it is. Comments like this are out of bounds. No, kidnapping is too strong of a solution. Get your head checked.

How can anyone here makes (rightful) negative comments about Trump and support this kind of comment. Sick.

[Pozzible]

5 minutes ago, tobetrained said:

I really don't care who it is. Comments like this are out of bounds. No, kidnapping is too strong of a solution. Get your head checked.

Point taken. I’m not sure anyone means this literally. Except Trump, who seems to think it’s something to be proud of. 

[tobetrained]

41 minutes ago, Pozzible said:

Point taken. I’m not sure anyone means this literally. Except Trump, who seems to think it’s something to be proud of. 

Well, maybe try some of these other points of view:

[think before following links] https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuela-diaspora-celebrates-maduros-deposition-wonders-whats-next-2026-01-03/

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Summary

• Cautious optimism about Venezuela's future amid celebrations
• Trump promises US control during transition period
• Some 7.7 million Venezuelans, 20% of population, have left the country since 2014

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Obama discussed/celebrated bin Laden. Bush (Sr) celebrated Noriega. Bush (Jr) celebrated Hussein.  Clinton for NATO capture of Milosevic. Shall I go on?

There's plenty to worry about here, don't get me wrong. Like we havn't called for elections (e.g. Panama) or Trump is going to try and ge the oil revenue for a slush fund.

Commenting on points or even opinions, fine. Let's be clear... the comment was beyond kidnapping. Unacceptable.

[Pozzible]

31 minutes ago, tobetrained said:

Obama discussed/celebrated bin Laden.

“Discussed” okay. “Celebrated”? Source?

[Pozzible]

35 minutes ago, tobetrained said:

Well, maybe try some of these other points of view:

[think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuela-diaspora-celebrates-maduros-deposition-wonders-whats-next-2026-01-03/

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Summary

• Cautious optimism about Venezuela's future amid celebrations
• Trump promises US control during transition period
• Some 7.7 million Venezuelans, 20% of population, have left the country since 2014

And I understand their POV. And all those people are happy with kidnapping.

Many Ukrainians were happy with Putin’s invasion, too.

Nevertheless, Trump’s action was domestically and internationally illegal. His boat attacks are war crimes.

I can’t get worked up about the kidnapping comment. Most MAGAs have said much worse about Biden and Hillary. 

[Pozzible]

1 hour ago, tobetrained said:

Summary

• Cautious optimism about Venezuela's future amid celebrations
• Trump promises US control during transition period
• Some 7.7 million Venezuelans, 20% of population, have left the country since 2014

 

On Stephanie Ruhle (MS Now), Michael McFaul just said, “Sure Venezuelans popped champagne when Maduro was deposed. They are not celebrating Trump’s US control or his plan to take the oil.” (paraphrased)

Edited yesterday at 04:28 AM by Pozzible
Added to paraphrase

[Pozzible]

4 hours ago, tobetrained said:

I really don't care who it is. Comments like this are out of bounds. No, kidnapping is too strong of a solution. Get your head checked.

Well, Trump says that he’s passed the “Man, Woman, Person, Camera, TV” test several times and was perfect. He also said that Sen. Mark Kelley should be executed for telling military personnel that they shouldn’t follow illegal orders. 

Your comments seem hyperbolic. And maybe they should be directed elsewhere. 

[Pozzible]

[think before following links] https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/venezuela-us-talks-export-venezuelan-oil-us-sources-say-2026-01-06/

I’m sick of having an extortionist in the White House.

[Erik62]

11 hours ago, tobetrained said:

I really don't care who it is. Comments like this are out of bounds. No, kidnapping is too strong of a solution. Get your head checked.

How can anyone here makes (rightful) negative comments about Trump and support this kind of comment. Sick.

My comments were very easy to make. As with the other two war mongers I mentioned, the solution I provided were essentially air bracketed for a conversation & I left it entirely up to the readers as to what solution they thought best. Personally kidnapping would only cause the West more problems. Other solutions (hide his incontinence pads & he wouldn't dare be seen in public) are available & plausible deniability could be used. 

[tobetrained]

@Pozzible you word-policed me above and on the word "push" is a separate thread. But on kidnapping and the statement by @Erik62 of "Kidnapping might be a too soft solution" which is clearly implied violence you equivocate. Interesting lines you've drawn.

10 hours ago, Pozzible said:

On Stephanie Ruhle (MS Now), Michael McFaul just said, “Sure Venezuelans popped champagne when Maduro was deposed. They are not celebrating Trump’s US control or his plan to take the oil.” (paraphrased)

Clearly, you didn't even bother to read my comment made earlier than your post, copied below:

12 hours ago, tobetrained said:

There's plenty to worry about here, don't get me wrong. Like we havn't called for elections (e.g. Panama) or Trump is going to try and ge the oil revenue for a slush fund.

 

@Erik62 then enlighten, in your mind what is less "soft" than kidnapping beside violence? I'll again call B.S. on this.

[Pozzible]

3 hours ago, tobetrained said:

Clearly, you didn't even bother to read my comment made earlier than your post, copied below:

15 hours ago, tobetrained said:

There's plenty to worry about here, don't get me wrong. Like we havn't called for elections (e.g. Panama) or Trump is going to try and ge the oil revenue for a slush fund.

I absolutely did read that. I read every word of every comment you’ve made in this thread. I don’t want this to turn hostile - hopefully it doesn’t already feel that way  because I enjoy reading your posts. And you tend to support your ideas rationally, and with facts.

i Have no idea which thread my *push” comment was made in or why I made it. But at least it made an impression.

Back to the kidnapping comment. (And when I asked Venice.ai about your comment, it totally agreed with you.) I agree with the idea that this type of content contributes to the sorry state of current US civil discourse  I’m proud to be a member of the “When they go low, we go high!” club. But it’s getting increasingly difficult to stick to my standards. I apologize for saying ”Amen?” to the commenter, I was wrong  I’m surprised by the number of my friends who have made comments about Trump such as,  “I hope the next shooter has better aim” I don’t laugh but I also don’t condemn - maybe I should. All that being said, I still believe your comment toward the “kidnap” commenter was awfully harsh.  But it’s hardly any business of mine.

As an unrelated aside, Minneapolis mayor Nathan Frey is on FIRE giving an extemporaneous speech at a presser about the ICE-related shooting that just occurred there  Fry should be considered a rising Democratic star. And today’s shooting is major news. I don’t know enough about it to talk about it right now.

[hntnhole]

and it just keeps getting worse ...

Today, the major media is reporting that our "president" is after ... wait for it .... GREENLAND !!!!   That landmass has "belonged" to Denmark ever since the Age of the Vikings (check out the Kalmar Union for a more detailed explanation).  

After seizing an oil tanker heading to (apparently) Russia, the arrogation of "standing world order" is not merely undermined, it is "in-you-face" threatened, with implications for NATO, Russia, China, and beyond. 

The implications are world-wide, and threaten realignment on a world-wide scale.  There is, apparently, no depth of depravity the leaders of the US will not stoop to.  

[PozBearWI]

I am hopeful our allies, the real ones we had for decades before Donnie, will sanction us, as they should.  

[tallslenderguy]

Preface: my opinion about trump.

trump demonstrates the attributes of a sociopathic, narcissistic nihilist.  i view him as raping America, i.e., forcing his will on Americans and then telling us we asked for it. i see many of his sycophantic supporters as similar to abused mates who blame their selves for the abuse and end up defending their abuser in  Stockholm fashion.  Then there are those who truly believe in might makes right. 

i think the reason he always states that he is friends with people like Putin, Xi and Kim Jong Un is because he relates to them. i think they are all cut from the same cloth.  i put these guys right up there with Stalin, Hitler and Mao... to name a few.  

i do not advocate for using their methods on or with them.  But i do not think the answer to peace and prosperity is to add more of these guys to the world stage. The US fucked up in a big way putting trump in control of the most powerful nation on earth, and i believe both the US and the world is paying, and going to pay dearly for that fuck up. 

 

[tallslenderguy]

18 minutes ago, PozBearWI said:

I am hopeful our allies, the real ones we had for decades before Donnie, will sanction us, as they should.  

i believe they will be speaking for a lot of Americans when they do, something a large number of our elected representatives are failing at this last year.