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Well, after cogitating on this for a long while about 4am, I can't exactly say "I slept on it", but I have a bit of different perspective, which may seem to some like hair-splitting, but here goes:

ethics are the societal rules within which we are acting (or which we are flouting). There are two sets in operation here:

1. The "old" ethics of the repressed anti-gay culture of the 1950s, as derived from roots in puritanism and Victorian society. These are the ethics that the closet case promulgates and purports to live by. By these ethics, there's nothing wrong with outing him; in fact, we are expected to do so.

2. The "new" ethics of the sexual revolution and the modern LGBTQ+ movement. These are the ethics that many of us here (including the site owner) promote. By these ethics, there's nothing wrong with outing him, because there's nothing wrong with him being gay, nor even with him having fun outside his partnership (as long as the partner permits that).

So the problem with the outing isn't really an ethical one. It's a moral one.

morals are our individual ideas of right and wrong, from wherever each of us derives those. They might align with the ethical codes to which we subscribe, and they might not. And that can vary on a case-by-case basis.

Is there anything morally wrong about outing the guy? It seems to me that the question here is whether it's OK to create trouble in his life (public and private) because he's a hypocrite whose actions promote an ethical code with which we personally disagree while flouting that ethical code himself in his private actions. Ironically, if we align our morals with the ethical code he's promoting, that's OK (an eye for an eye). But if we align our morals with the ethical code that says gay is OK, we're much more likely to say outing him is NOT OK (judge not, lest ye be judged).

1 hour ago, fertilehole said:

i've been here over a year and a ton of things are still locked. what do they want me to do, start a weekly webcam party? write a blog? lol

You've made only 16 posts. That's about the bare minimum that can get you to Junior Member status. For some people it takes twice or three times that many posts. So yes, in order to earn those privileges, you have to participate. This is a discussion forum.

I'm with @PozTalkAuthor in feeling conflicted on this one.

If the person in question is taking actions in their life that harm gay people (e.g. conservative politicians and religious figures), I do think it can be justified. To be harming a group of people of which you are a member and not sharing in that harm yourself is malfeasance of the worst sort.

But I am also mindful that judging and hurting other people is seldom, possibly never, constructive, and that no one should be entitled to do so.

Justice and mercy are altogether too often in conflict.

Moderator's Note:

The duplicate key problem cited above by many people ("Duplicate entry for key...") is, as far as I can tell, due to a flaw in the either the user database for the chat program (which is not the same software as the main site), or the code that accesses it. The only person who can fix it is @rawTOP. If you are having this problem, you will just have to wait until he can get to it.

6 minutes ago, Jeanscumpig said:

yeah man that's quite annoying, you see that you have 5 chats, you can't even answer. Hopefully they resolve this quickly.

People who have the above problem cannot log in to the chat site at all, so no one there will be sending them chats, and even if they did, they wouldn't be able to see them. These are not the same as private messages on the main BZ site.

1 hour ago, BlindRawFucker1 said:

I always thought that you took the first two within 24 hours, 12 is better, before the encounter, then 1 every 24 hours until 48 hours after your last encounter.

Meaning, if you were to fuck Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights, it would be best to take the first 2 Friday morning, then 1 every 24 hours through Tuesday night.

Is that not correct?

That is not the protocol that was tested in the French study.

It is, however, a completely logical extension of that protocol, and there is no logical reason to believe that it would work any less well. It simply hasn't been proven to work (i.e. in a study subject to statistical verification).

If you are planning on taking fists bare (as opposed to with gloves), then you should definitely consider PrEP.

Hangnails are a fact of life, and without a barrier, would allow blood/blood contact between a fisting top with a hangnail and the fisting bottom.

I actually know someone who (back in the 90s when viral loads were less well-controlled on average than they are now) acquired HIV through a hangnail on his own hand when it came in contact with HIV+ blood that he was helping to clean up after a nipple piercing bleed. Or so he claims.

12 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

On 9/13/2023 at 10:47 AM, chrisbb said:

I’m HIV positive in my opinion and I have no bearing on my sex life. 

Just curious: how is one HIV positive "in [anyone's] opinion"?

I think @chrisbb most likely meant,

"I'm HIV positive and in my opinion it has no bearing on my sex life."

Because it's the most recent information they have? It does, at least, provide some proxy for risk, in that the amount of time is presumably correlated with the number of encounters via which they might have changed status.

Alternatively, when they posted it, it was recent... and then they forgot all about it. I do that one myself, often.

On 9/6/2023 at 5:25 PM, TaKinGDeePanal said:

BTW, vaginal anatomy is NOT as accommodating as anal anatomy. There’s no way you can get your whole arm into the former. 

True as far as depth is concerned, but not necessarily with regard to girth. The average anus is way tighter than the average vagina. After all, the vagina is actually evolved to pass a baby. Note that the anuses of BZ members are unlikely to be representative...

OMG that was seriously HOT!

Moderator's Note: The original poster has asked that this post be withdrawn. I am locking the topic so the existing replies can be preserved.

Condoms in my ass feel terrible.

"Female condoms" in my ass feel even worse.

If he rimmed you and you had anal gonorrhea, you could have given him oral gonorrhea.

Anal gonorrhea often has no symptoms. So you might have it and not know.

But he only said "might have". If he's like you and me, he played with a bunch of guys between tests and only found out when he tested. Then he had to let *everyone* know they might have been the one.

He was doing the polite and appropriate thing and letting you know that you might have been tagged, so be aware of that and test if appropriate.

So I'm visiting my BF in the big city, where there are actually more than the same 10 faces on the cruising apps. This creates interesting opportunities... I was out walking Friday for exercise, and idly scoping Sniffies while playing an online game.

A nice clean-cut looking guy hit me up, asking if I wanted a blowjob. Now, I didn't particularly, as I'm not big on those, much more of a flip fucking kind of guy. But I was in a frisky mood, and his profile said he was into fucking and getting fucked, bare, so I continued the conversation as I walked in his general direction.

He was fairly persistent - said he worked at a school nearby and had a private office where we could play, and nobody was around. Which was basically likely to be true, because school has been closing early every afternoon all week here, due to excessive heat. So I'm gradually getting closer, and I am thinking to myself, "what the hell" - it was the naughtiness of the idea as much as anything that I found intriguing...

Next thing I know I'm messaging him "I'm here" and he pops out the front door of the (large, blocky, old-style) school building and lets me in. With a nod to the janitor saying he'll lock up. And takes me upstairs to his. Private. Office. Which is... (wait for it)...

The Principal's Office.

Because he is, apparently, the Principal. WTAF. Complete with wedding ring. Yup. And I call him a "naughty boy". And he's swapping tongue with me and massaging my crotch, and has me sit down in a chair where he gives me a fairly serviceable blowjob. Of course I talk nasty to him about how much I want to breed his ass (he objects, saying he just took a dump and isn't clean). So I just go with the fantasy and feed him my load. And he escorts me back to the door and I'm on my way to finishing my walk and getting to (remote) work.

So now I can say I've been taken to the Principal's Office for being naughty. Yup. We sure were!!

You cannot make this stuff up. I have to wonder how long he's been at this and whether his wife knows. Or the rest of the staff...

37 minutes ago, freeusebottom said:

I'm on PreP and I still get skeptical that I'll get infected by HIV even when I'm on PreP. I tend not to have sex with poz guys just because of this. Are there really any cases of getting poz even while being on PreP?

There are a very small number of documented cases (about half a dozen) where even with good compliance, PrEP failed to protect during sex.

The chances of this happening are so small that it has never been possible to measure them accurately in any of the studies that have ever been done on PrEP.

This possibility does not constitute any kind of a good reason not to use PrEP as prevention for HIV.

It is very unlikely that this would happen. The same medication that is treating your own HIV effectively serves as PrEP against any possible superinfection.

There isn't a lot of good data on this, because it's actually fairly hard to study (and there's not a lot of money in it for the drug companies, of course).

I did find this quote from a 2005 article that's somewhat helpful:

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Recently, a retrospective analysis of a convenience sample of chronically infected individuals receiving antiretroviral therapy was unable to detect HIV superinfection during >1072 person-years of observation

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/192/3/438/834693?login=false

Awesome work! Thank you!

7 hours ago, Shotsfired said:

Our concept of community health is more than a little inspired by the Book of Leviticus.

This is not actually surprising. Before antiseptics and antibiotics, the hygiene instructions in Leviticus were pretty much the gold standard in public health. If you are not a biblical literalist, you might reasonably conclude that it was actually written for that purpose.

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 I had a doctor recently tell me to use condoms during oral sex. 

Presumably, they hadn't tried this themselves. Or they would know that's a really silly idea. Been there, tried that (it was his idea). Yecch.

55 minutes ago, powerqc said:

I still got this error 

PDOStatement: Duplicate entry 'powerqc' for key 'name_UNIQUE

That's the database error I was talking about. @rawTOP knows about it and will fix it when he can. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

1 hour ago, Tuttle said:

I'm looking for ANY stories that involves the grooming and or seducing a neg bottom into receiving a HVL load from a detectable top. Thank you in advance!

There are plenty of stories both here and in the Bugchasing Fiction forum https://breeding.zone/forum/7-bug-chasing-amp-gift-giving-fiction/ that meet that description. Try using the Search function (just within these forums) to spot the specific sort of thing you want.

Here are a couple of links:

https://breeding.zone/topic/80271-straight-dennis-turned-into-a-true-tina-pos-cumdump/?do=findComment&comment=854255

https://breeding.zone/topic/36489-unprepared-for-stealthing/#comments

https://breeding.zone/topic/16830-my-first-poz-cock-seduced-with-chems-and-trained-to-surrender-my-neg-hole-part-1/#comments

https://breeding.zone/topic/77882-finding-love/#comments

For those of you who had problems with chat during the migration, it has now been migrated and is once again partially working.

That means you will likely be able to connect, but some people may get database errors instead. You definitely will have to refresh the page to refresh the messages.

On 8/26/2023 at 12:26 AM, Guest No delete after mo said:

The moderators of this site either don't have the ability or will to delete American accounts. 

They will give every excuse and ask for your patience and compliance.  Your account will not be deleted. 

My belief is that the owners and pervayors of the site make money off us is some way.  I

Stop posting and responding; it's your attention they need

The moderators of this site don't have the ability to delete any accounts. As explained many many times earlier in this topic, only the site Admin can do that.

Given that we cannot help you directly, of course we will ask for your patience. What else can we do?

The site admin makes a small amount of money from the advertising on the site. No one benefits from your presence or your content in any way other than that. This is explained in the right sidebar on the main page.

Actually, we don't need or want your attention. Please do stop posting and responding if you don't want to be here. It's a colossal waste of our time and energy.

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On 8/26/2023 at 3:23 PM, powerqc said:

I got this error with the chat now

You've failed the security check and are not allowed to use chat until you fix the problem...

This is because the chat site has not yet been moved to the new servers. It will not work until that is complete. Per @rawTOP's post earlier in this topic:

On 8/24/2023 at 4:07 PM, rawTOP said:

The migration is done. Post any NEW problems here.

Chat is still on the old server. So I'm expecting problems with that. It won't be able to confirm your session cookie, so chat may be broken until Monday when the rest of my sites move to the new server.

11 minutes ago, rawTOP said:

Which reminds me - have any of you gotten email notifcations since the migration? Or not gotten ones you were expecting?

I seem to be getting email notifications normally. Haven't noticed whether any were missing.

1 minute ago, meetme said:

You don’t have to stay a registered Republican.  The GOP needs to see a major exodus, they aren’t interested in the will of the people, walk away, live where you live but chose a party that will work with you.

I'm under no illusions whatsoever that either of the major parties is going to "work with [me]". They are, as parties, clearly firmly in the pockets of the capitalist machine. Unfortunately they are also thoroughly entrenched, and barring revolution that essentially disenfranchises all the other parties and viewpoints.

I'm much less worried about which Democrats get into office than about which Republicans do. Though I'll make an exception in Joe Manchin's case (which is the one reason I'd consider switching back to Democratic registration).

But my comment is less concerned with who gets into office in the long run, and more about influencing the public dialog.