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You are incorrect, there. Alberta allows 14 yrs old to get on a learner's driver and 15 yr olds can do the same in the three Northern Territories.¹ The minor in this case acted like an adult. He wanted to have sex with Austin Wolf, presumably because Austin is the type of stud he fantasizes about or is willing to have sex with until he finds his ideal mate. If a 15 yr old can drive a car.. he can most likely decide if he wants to have sex or not. I am not for a second advocating that teenagers should have sex with older guy. I strongly believe that in an ideal society where gay are truly accepted and treated as regular and normal folk and gay marriage is universally accepted: gays would be almost exclusively be monogamous. However we do not live in the ideal society, at least yet, and the law and social guidelines need to take into account the way human being in that society actually are and live their lives. A poll here on BZ where about 1350 members have responded shows that the majority of them 27% had anal sex between the ages of 13 and 16 and the age category that came sex i.e. 20% where between the ages of 10 to 20.² I believe the courts needs to listen to how gay men actually live their lives rather than how they ought to perhaps in an ideal world. This young gentleman is not necessarily devious, at least I hope not, but he was callous and blind to the possible consequences of his actions. He must be held equally responsible for the mess he knew he was going to get the other two men into, if he went ahead with his fantasy. This young angel was not in any way coerced by the two adults, at least, as far as I can see from the details that have been released to the public. "Persuading someone to have sex" hardly sounds like a crime to me. Of course it depends on the age and mental faculties of the person in question. I mean there can be a guy who is an adult but not of a sound mind and sex with such an adult would be wrong. Often the courts will decide to charge a juvenile as an adult because of the crimes he committed. I think, the court does need to spend some more time investigation the young gentleman in question and take a look at his actions before it makes up its mind about Austin OR what really happened. I do think the authorities that should release more details of the case so that the public can make up their mind as to who is guilty here. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ¹[think before following links] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver's_licences_in_Canada ²

Yelling pedophille is not going to change the complexity of the case, nor is calling the guy arguing the case names like Idiot, Canadian eh, etc. scare me from stating what I think. What I have stated is not "nonsense" but a nuanced understanding of the Law. Pedpophiles are btw, people who have an interest in pre-puberty children¹. Young individuals hit puberty around 11 to 13 yrs of age and slowly start developing an interest and understanding of sex. Children who where earlier believed in the stork delivering babies story find the story hard to be true and begin their transition towards adulthood learning the about the human body and life. This transition is not necessarily smooth and neither is it universally similar. Some kids start earlier than others. Some kids are interested in the opposite gender and some to their own. Some are interested in their own race and some other races. Some find certain body types attractive while some find other types repulsive. There is great diversity in what the young person wants. The Law in its wisdom at some point decided an age of consent to try to facilitate this transition. I believe its intentions where noble and good when formulated but it ignores some of the ground reality of our times and perhaps of all times. What is strange about the U.S. is that it is the country which invented the modern pornography industry and yet has one of the highest age of consent in the developed world. . Many European and South American jurisdiction have much lower ages of consent, around 14 to 16 I believe. Before you form a judgement on Austin's behavior, I want to pose some questions to you: Do you think your neighbors would treat you well, if they got to know that you routinely have casual sex not just with one but sometimes with multiple men! Agh. I am sure your coworkers in your office will start avoiding you if they know you have had casual sex with stranger multiple times in the last month or year. Thus, before you start judging other peoples sexual behaviours and situations, first try to see how society views you and then try to give some thought to the yardsticks we use to judge others. Austin Wolf is an exemplary gay celebrity who made a lousy decision. However, he is not a rapist or pedophille or any such things. I will stick to the present charge against him ie of inducing a minor or rather actually having illicit sex with him. I have addressed my thoughts on his previous charges in another post. The judge owes it the community and the cause of justice to find out more about this little angel. How many people has he had sex with? how many people has he contacted over social media or texted for sex. How did this sexual encounter see the light of day. Did his parents report him to the police for having sex with an adult porn star? Because you have made personal, xenophobic and quite frankly, rather racialized observations about me- Canadian etc, that are unfair and uncalled for I am going to state something about your profile. You do have a headless shot? Is that really intentional? you don't have the balls (or butt, if you prefer) to show your face to the world on a barebacking site, but u want to throw arrows at Austin Wolf who has been an Out gay celebrity for almost 20 years for an alleged crime that honestly seems just too bizarre to be true. and for the record, my biggest question if on an app if you see a top stud whose profile says Canadian, are u going to pass him just because of his nationality? In a sauna when you are frolicking with guys, are u going to say No to a Top who is not from the U.S. ? A 15 yr old guy who apparently travelled interstate to have sex with a adult porn star and another adult, and who likely has been sexual with a lot of adults and young adults his age is not a child, but a misguided youth who does not care about the consequences of his actions. This young angel's behavior during this sinful and shameful mélange is again proof that he is not a child. Did these two grown men behave like devils and hold this innocent angel down and force their sexual desires on him OR did this guy willingly and wantonly have sex with these grown men because of his out of his own volition and to satisfy his own curiosity or pleasure or worse a habit that he has acquired and started to enjoy, the unfortunately illegal fantasy of having sex with handsome porn stars like Austin? It sounds to me that the latter case is true as at no point did this young angel or his parents contact the police and this illicit act only came to light when the police started investigating Austin. The two situations are radically different and I believe Austin should be judged based on what actually happened. People do sexually illicit things all the time, affairs with their best friend's wife, cheat on their wives or husbands with prostitutes or escorts, leave marriages inspite of being married for 30 years etc. These things are immoral but not illegal. It does seem that the law in the U.S. at the moment seems to suggest that Austin is the guilty party but don't forget there was a time in the not so distant past in the US, where sodomy ie sex between two men, even if adults, could land them in jail and the distant past where cheating on your wife i.e. adultery could land u in jail as well. The law must be fair to all parties. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ¹Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,psychiatric diagnostic criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.[4] People with the disorder are often referred to as pedophiles (or paedophiles). - [think before following links] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Text Revision, 5th Edition. American Psychiatric Publishing. 2022. pp. 794–796. ISBN 978-0-89042-575-6.

Teenagers are already doing the worse nightmare of their parents, teachers, and other authorities: experimenting with sex. In my view, 90% of teenagers are interested in other teenagers and perhaps 5 to 10 percent are into older guys; That there are teenagers who are interested in older guys is proven by the number of posts on this site affirming the same. By teenagers I am referring to young adults who are post puberty and who have a natural interest in sex, some more than others. I am not advocating that teenagers start having sex with older people and 95% of teenagers would not be interested at all. However, 5% of people would be open to the idea, I believe, and perhaps 2 or 3% really interested, as well. Most states in the US allow 16 yrs old's to get a full driving license and many allow 14 to 15 yr old's to get limited licenses. If you can drive a car as a teen then you can definitely consent to sex — if that is what you want to do. If a 14 or 15 yr old with some kind of license driving a car gets into an accident are you going to say he is a minor and therefore cannot be held responsible for his actions? Some situations do require us to ignore the fact that the individual is a minor and look at his actions as an adult. Not all situations are the same, even if they appear to be so. When it comes to sex, there isn't a unanimous consensus on all issues. Was it just Austin's responsibility or does the 15 yr old in question share some responsibility as well? . Austin Wolf in an interview stated that he has been with over 7000 to 9000 people in the past 20 years¹. Did Mr. Wolf feel obligated to go along with this young man's request. Many men on gay apps are wankers and do not show up to meet someone. The fact that Mr. Wolf has consistently met men for sex, almost at the rate or twice a day for the past twenty years , shows how committed and loving he is. Perhaps as a sex performer, he just loves to give, and make people sexually happy. Could this young angel have heard of the reputation of Austin and taken advantage of it? I don't have all the details of the case, but from what I have read in the news report, there was another gentleman involved and Austin through the use of mobile technology (text or an app) enticed this guy to come to New York to have sex. He made the following statement to the judge: “In late 2023 or early 2024, I induced a 15-year-old to engage in a sex act, I don’t remember through text or [social media], but phones were definitely used. I know what I was doing was wrong”² Who is this other adult? If it was a text message, how did the two come into contact. I mean its not like Austin is a teacher and used his position to get young underage peoples number. It is actually more likely that the young angel contacted Austin rather than the other way around. May I ask, why did this young angel travel to another state to have sex with an Adult? Did he know that he would be breaking the law and put his sexual partner - the older guy- at substantial risk. Did he understand what he was fantasizing about and did, was a crime under the eyes of the law. I believe anyone who breaks the law willingly needs to face the consequences of it. If Austin is to been punished for breaking the law, so should this young angel— and be tried as a juvenile criminal. The counsel for Austin acknowledges that this is a complex case³ but I don't see him arguing that in front of the court. He seems to be a guy who does more of corporate cases and mentions some Industrial case that he is dealing with in his letter. Perhaps Austin would be better served if he sought a people's lawyer who has dealt with such real life and real people's issues. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ¹ [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.out.com/sex/austin-wolf-body-count ² [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://nypost.com/2025/06/20/media/ex-porn-star-austin-wolf-to-plead-guilty-to-child-porn-charges/ ³ [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.623918/gov.uscourts.nysd.623918.33.0.pdf [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.them.us/story/austin-wolf-justin-heath-smith-guilty-plea

It is really sad. I wonder if the pressure of being a gay celebrity got to Austin. Was he going through some stress like financial difficulties, lack of work, relationship problem etc.? If the minor was not coerced but a willing participant in this sinful act, I definitely think the courts should take account of it and not try to make a moral statement. Who contacted who? Did Austin Wolf meet this guy on an app. Did the guy contact Wolf? How many other adult men has this 15 yr old angel contacted; Is he really an innocent victim who was physically coerced into sexual activity by a larger grown up man like Austin, or is there more to the story? Is this young man really a Vestial Virgin that the court seems to assume he is. The court should try to investigate the Truth. Some younger individuals are very curious about sex. Hell, there are teens who are getting high on drugs by the time they are 15 or 14 yrs old. Is the court going to start sending them to jail? If this 15 yr old is not an innocent angel, I think maybe 6 months or even a year at best should be an appropriate sentencing, and Austin's time in jail should be taken into account. Casual sex is a complicated subject. Sometimes there are fault lines and sometimes bad connections. It is sad this turned out to be a really bad line that could kill you.

I know for a fact that trans people and trans women face the maximum violence in the United States as a group. Unfortunately, I am not quite informed of the the racial identity of the perpetrators or victims and am assuming that people of color are disproportionate victims. Are there any stats published by gay sources like the Human rights campaign which includes race? As far as single white men are concerned, I would not give up on the right-wing ones yet. A lot of their frustrations comes down to their deep inability to deal with the real world including finding and having sex. We would have fewer mass murderers if we as a society recognize Incel rage and make it easier for them to hook up!

I meant the question both factually as well as normatively: what would I do/what do I do usually etc. but also, what should I — ought to —do?

The couple in this video was harassed in Jackson Hole, WY, for just doing what a straight couple had done before them — showing affection for each other and letting society know that they are together — through a PDA - public display of affection. Where they right in doing so?

The prep looks like a Hispanic White¹ guy. A lot of white Hispanics do identify as white and they definitely think of anyone native to the Americas as a slave. I am unaware of his sexual orientation: News reports do not mention a family -gay or straight, so I am thinking he is "single". Single white male and right wing political orientation is a deadly combination and a good predictor of future violent behavior. ------------------------------------------------------------------ We just have a one sided version. We don't know what the neighbors did, even though we do have clues from the video where Jonathan is saying - someone threatening someone with a gun is grounds for deportation. My suspicion is he is referring to this neighbor who did come out with a gun, and threatened to kill him. Jonathan decided to take a pitchfork and walk around the street rehearsing his lines and in the video he does explain why he is doing what he is doing - so that you understand what it feels like to be threatened. If there where problems with the neighbors Jonathan would have moved out long ago. Everything around his home was fine until he came out as gay and decided to move a hispanic bf in. Very bad cocktail of racism and homophobia. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ¹[think before following links] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/jonathan-joss-killing-suspect-speaks-out-b2765503.html

There are some very strange facts in the case. 1. The ksat article¹ reports that a lady drove Jonathan and his husband, Tristan to their former house, and was waiting in the car when the neighbor-killer pulled up and parked behind her. Jonathan and Tristan told her that they would be back in 5 minutes as they where just there to pick up their mail but when they saw the carcass of one their dog along with its leash placed in clear view they became emotionally distraught, according to Tristan's statement on FB. It does looks like the dogs carcass and leash was placed there by someone. The property has had multiple calls to the police. The fire happened in January and I doubt if for the past 4 months, no one saw it or got rid of it. Surely the fire department, the police, or subsequently arson investigators would not have missed such a sight. Also, Jonathan and Tristan would have visited the site their home many times after the Fire, and this was the first time they witnessed that horrible Auschwitz like artifact. Thus, it looks quite likely that someone put the dog there deliberately for Jonathan and Tristan to see when they came. Did someone know they where going to come there? Why did the neighbor-killer drive to the Spot. Since he lived close-by, why did he have to drive. Was he trying to rush to the spot to see Jonathan and Tristan's reaction to their Auschwitzified dog. Also, he clearly managed to put his rifle into his car and then took it with him before the confrontation with Johnathan and Tristan. All this clearly show Intent - a premeditated intent and plan to kill. No one leaves a rifle in the car in a regular neighborhood like the one Jonathan's Joss burnt down home was located in. 2. I looked at one of the FB posts² to the husband, Tristan. and it almost sounds like a veiled threat to me. Why did this individual have to write such an insensitive post. Surely law enforcement/ authorities could have showed up at the bereaved widow's door and passed this message instead of posting what looked like a public threat. Jessica Anne Martinez Jonathan Joss opSdsteornuau6l40  l5t09gm54102t1h8 :3aeft5a2M9iJ1Pc 99c71an · Hello Tristan Kern de Gonzales, I messaged you privately here and on your personal page. The coroner has been attempting to reach you for the last week to claim Johnathan’s body. The deadline is this Wednesday. Please read your private messages to find my phone number and call/text me with an answer on your intent to claim the body. If not, we will take care of it. 3. A few days before his murder Jonathan had attended a reunion of the cast/stars of King of the Hill. He was not invited even though he played the immensely popular John RedCorn but choose to go anyways, and did announce himself from among the general public and proudly declared the fact that he was a gay man. The horrible people of King of the Hill brought in security who escorted him out³. Isn't is just plain sad that such a successful show would treat one of its actors so cruelly. Where the Power that be of Hollywood and King of the Hill upset that Jonathan had spoilt the legacy of the character John Redcorn who in the show was a heterosexual womanizing stud by coming out as gay. Was this killing a result of trying to take care of him? ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ¹ ² [think before following links] https://www.facebook.com/share/p/19dXuCkewB/ ³ "As Joss moved away from the mic to go back to his seat, that's when security told him he had to leave and he exited the theater calmly and cooperatively," the onlooker says, adding that the panel got "back on track" after this.[think before following links] https://people.com/king-of-the-hill-jonathan-joss-escorted-out-of-atx-tv-festival-2-days-before-death-11746968

The shocking circumstances surrounding the murder of Out and Proud native American actor Jonathan Joss makes one wonder if native Americans are still considered "fair game" for shooting by the cowboys of the Americas? The events surrounding this shocking crime just makes one's heart and head boil with anger. A proud Out gay actor and husband had been repeatedly threatened and taunted by their neighbors and made to flee his parental house. The house has been built by his father for his mother and Joss wanted to continue the legacy of love for his partner. He did not realize the high price he would have to pay for it, last Sunday when he was there to collect mail along with his husband, Tristan Kern de Gonzales. Tristan told the media that he and his husband had repeatedly been harassed with anti gay slurs and hostility, and made to feel unwelcome in the neighborhood. Their house has been burnt down, along with his three dogs⁴, in an arson attack that is still being investigated¹, and they had to make numerous calls to the police over harassment by their neighbors but the police refused to do much about it. Last Sunday when they where there according to Tristan's statement on FB: "to check our mail we discovered the skull of one of our dogs and its harness placed in clear view. This caused both of us severe emotional distress. We began yelling and crying in response to the pain of what we saw. While we were doing this a man approached us. He started yelling violent homophobic slurs at us. He then raised a gun from his lap and fired "² Tristan also told the Independent ""While I'm holding him, he has the gun pointed over me, and he's laughing, saying, 'Oh, you love him? Joto,'" Kern de Gonzales alleged. "'Joto' is Spanish for f****t. I never knew the word until I came to Texas, and then I heard it a lot."³ The San Antonio police after absolving the killer, Sigfredo Alvarez Ceja, of any hate-crime motivations has retracted their statement saying their initial pronouncement was "premature".⁵ _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ¹ [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/jonathan-joss-homophobia-shooting-1.7554172 ² [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15mj3bAgm6/ ³ [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jonathan-joss-shooting-suspect-sigfredo-ceja-alvarez-bail-b2763843.html ⁴ [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/jonathan-joss-shooting-police-report-suspect-b2763045.html ⁵ [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://globalnews.ca/news/11216725/jonathan-joss-killing-hate-crime-police-statement/

By chastity did u mean a chastity cage i.e. one worn over one's penis and under lock etc., or the self practiced state of continence i.e. no orgasm including no masturbation?

May I politely ask, Isn't such a policy racist? After all the Germans have contributed more to Kink culture and barebacking than other nationality. I bet, gay men who like to have fun sex have Berlin on the Top of their list of places to visit . Historically speaking: it was Berlin, Germany that gave birth to the modern Gay movement and not StoneWall, USA — as is often assumed and reported in the U.S gay media. While Stonewall was a milestone in the US Gay rights movement it did not give birth to the U.S. gay rights movement. The formation of the Mattachine Society almost 2 decades before the StoneWall riots¹ as first national gay rights movement, and which caused a stink with the US Government who within a month came out with a Senate report titled "Employment of Homosexuals and Other Sex Perverts in Government", can be legitimately considered to be the spark of the modern Gay Rights movement in the U.S.; while the US Supreme Court verdict in favor of gay rights in the One, Inc. v. Olesen case which let the gay magazine "One: The Homosexual Magazine." escape obscenity charges can be rightly located as the birth of the gay rights movement in the US. To put history into perspective, English speaking homosexuals from the United States mustered the courage to give up on their WASP values and have gay sex and be more open about their homosexuality mostly after visiting Berlin in the 1930s and 40s and getting exposed to the thriving gay culture in the Weimar Republic, beautifully described in many books particularly Gay Berlin by Robert Beachy. Authors like Gore Vidal, Edmund White etc. who made the 'unspeakable vice' acceptable in Anglo-Saxon literature, and started writing openly gay novels had found refugee in Berlin during the Inter War period and where able to, indeed, be gay because of the generosity of the Germans. Isn't it fair that we acknowledge the historic role of Germany in the gay rights movement and allow people who do not speak English the right to write in German, if they wish. I do see some Europeans on the site who would benefit from such a policy and am positive someone would step forward and volunteer to moderate in German, soon. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ¹ [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/stonewall-milestones-american-gay-rights-movement/

Socks and if outdoors in a park, sneakers.

Apologies for the late reply, nanana. To begin, I find her to be a very strange women medical person. Her philosophical belief that doctors are "advisors" like some kind of beauty advisors is a very inaccurate view of medicine. Most of the time it is the doctors who have to make decisions - diagnosis, treatment etc - based on the body of knowledge we called modern medicine. Yes, there are situations where a patient's choice is involved but those are rather limited and even in such cases, doctors do have to inform the patient of the entire scenario and the consequences of their choices so that they can make informed decision. Most of us don't really have the choice of not vaccination simply because if we don't vaccinate against known vaccinable diseases we run the risk of spreading them to others my suspicion that she already did get CoVID is based on observing the general behaviours of people who are hostile to vaccines like JFK and even certain Fox News Stars during the CoVID pandemic. While they where spreading anti vaccine sentiment and views, most of them privately did get vaccinated. JFK when questioned if he would get his children vaccinated replied probably. If he really thought vaccines where so harmful, would he really get his children vaccinated? I find it hard to believe that someone like her who has studied, according to the article, preventative medicine as doctor with expertise in nanotechnology would not understand the importance of vaccines in preventing pandemics and diseases. I find her argument more on the lines of, I am going to stop drinking water coz water these days is said to contain microplastics.