#blacklivesmatter

[PhoenixGeoff]

I am puzzled. Are you attracted to black guys? Or are you saying that's none of anybody's business?

And why don't I get to second-guess your motives? Unfortunately I can and I will second-guess your motives.

In certain circles white guys who don't wanna have sex with black guys are considered racists. On the other hand in our society, white guys who love to have sex with black guys are at risk of being labeled a nigger-lover.

So respectfully I ask, where do you stand?

 

I'm attracted to some black men.  They tend to mirror my attractions to white or Hispanic men:  relatively close to my age, more masculine in demeanor, that sort of thing.

[PhoenixGeoff]

I can't speak for PG but I suspect that he is talking about being attracted to certain characteristics in a man that may occur more frequently within certain ethnicities or nationalities.

Not just physically but socially.

Dutch men tend to be taller for some curious reason, many asian societies have more rigid/respectful social structures, latin men may be more sexually demonstrative and some social groups could exhibit other desirable behaviours.

 

These factors are not dependent on biology, I've probably picked up some unusual behaviours in my travels, so shouldn't really be classified as racism.

 

Or I may be 100% wrong.

 

In a way, what you're saying is that culture matters.  And I think that is true.  Everybody (whether they admit it or not) feels most secure and comfortable among people who act the same way, follow the same social norms, know the same cultural cues, etc.  It's why we still have gay ghettos and gay bars.  Why there are bear runs.  And why Will and Grace and Absolutely Fabulous have ongoing lives on Logo.

 

But we also find crossing over those cultural boundaries to be exciting, to a greater or lesser degree.  Which is why people like crossing socioeconomic, racial or cultural boundaries.  But with that urge, there's always the danger of exploiting and dehumanizing and stereotyping behavior.  At the very least, you become apt to do the equivalent of confusing The Olive Garden with Italian food or turning into Vanilla Ice.

[RideMyBlkDik]

...sites like BBRT all the time. Guys will have in their profiles things like "BBC only" or "hung black guys only," etc. Do I think they are being racist? Not really, but objectifying, perhaps. I think guys that say "no blacks" are being racist.

To label someone a racist because they say in an online profile "no blacks" is a stretch. Personally I can't agree with you. In my mind a racist label is much more complex.

But it never fails to amaze me how guys reading a thread like this refuse to reveal their true selves.

Here's where guys hide behind their computers and mobile devices for many weird reasons.

I am not here to judge anyone.

You've got something to contribute:

If you're a white guy and you've never dated a black guy...

If you're a white guy and you've never had sex with a black guy...

If you're a white guy and you have no desire whatsoever to have any kind of intimate relationship with a black guy...

You know this thread is applicable to you...so why hide in the secrecy of cyberspace? Are you afraid that you might be perceived to be a racist? Be true to yourself. I say Man Up! Grow a Pair! We can still learn something from each other.

[misterpiggy]

All in all, I think racism is stupid and I don't get it.

I think it's really dumb and especially in the gay culture, guys need to cut the racial shit. In the gay community, we have faced plenty of oppression ourselves in the past; the fact that we would turn on each other over race is completely fucking pathetic.

Yet it continues to be an issue in the gay community.  It's everywhere in the gay culture. In New York City there are gay clubs specifically targeting black patrons; gay clubs specifically targeting latino customers; and of course an abundance of gay clubs specifically geared for whites. It doesn't get more blatant than that. And this carries over into the bedroom. For example: The Townhouse (a gay bar in Manhattan) is a very chic  venue for predominantly wealthy and sophisticated gay white men. And they specifically placed an African American drag queen on the front page of their website.  I guess that's an attempt to say they are welcoming to all races. LOL.  The handful of white guys who I know frequent that bar do not want to have anything to do with black guys. See the website for yourself: http://www.townhouseny.com/

[travelingbutthole]

Yet it continues to be an issue in the gay community.  It's everywhere in the gay culture. In New York City there are gay clubs specifically targeting black patrons; gay clubs specifically targeting latino customers; and of course an abundance of gay clubs specifically geared for whites. It doesn't get more blatant than that. And this carries over into the bedroom. For example: The Townhouse (a gay bar in Manhattan) is a very chic  venue for predominantly wealthy and sophisticated gay white men. And they specifically placed an African American drag queen on the front page of their website.  I guess that's an attempt to say they are welcoming to all races. LOL.  The handful of white guys who I know frequent that bar do not want to have anything to do with black guys. See the website for yourself: http://www.townhouseny.com/

 

But is that concentration a preference for one group or a prejudice against another?

I've never been to a venue like that so I can't speak about the attitude of the patrons.

The location of that dividing line is important.

 

In London we do get the very occasional sauna night targeted at black guys and those that admire them but we also get the same thing with bears and CDs.

That doesn't feel like a problem to me.

[wood]

Racism is alive and well. If we assume that statement is true then can we also assume that we are separate but equal? Perhaps. Black Lives Matter and White Lives Matter but many people don't care about racism when it comes to interracial fucking.  If you are in a dark room bent over taking multiple cocks and loads, I don't think you are concerned about the breeder's skin color.  There is a poll in this forum titled "White Boys Riding Black Rods...Taboo or not Taboo" and many issues were raised in that thread but it seemed like we all danced around the issue of racism in that thread but never really confronted it head on!!  In that same thread, a contributor (screen name "wood") said: " there is a lil bit of latent racism in this forum about black men...".  Maybe there is some truth to the fact that racism and homophobia usually come in the same package.

 

So 2 simple questions: 1.  Do you detect latent racism in this website? (Please elaborate).  2. Do you shed your prejudices in bed but have a different reality in your public life? (Honestly).

Well I said it, so yeah I definitely feel like there is.  

 

Racism comes in all forms and can come from people of all races and backgrounds.  In this particular forum there is an incredible amount of fetishisation when it comes to black men.  I dont think that automatically means someone is racist, but maybe those people should ask themselves some questions like, Would I date a black man? Would I feel comfortable bring him home to family and friends? Do I have friends I know are racist? Am I thinking about black men only as objects to fuck me? etc etc.  In some cases ones answer may mean they are racist.     

 

Look at ANY website/app, and its easy to spot rasicm in all forms, white looking for same, latin looking for latin or white only, black looking for black only, etc.  People have their own attractions based on looks and thats fine, but too many people lump what they call "attraction" into institutionalized racism.  That comes in the form of white guys not wanting to date/fuck black guys cause they think they are all "thugs" Black men not wanting to fuck white men because they think they are all racist assholes who will never get them, or practically every fucking gay man not giving any asian guy a shot because they think they all have small dicks.  None of those things have ANYTHING to do with attraction, its racist tendencies that no one wants to admit to.  People don't want to admit the uncomfortable truth about what they are.

 

When it comes to black/white relations in America, just talk to someone of the opposite race someday about racism,  I assure you it will be an eyeopening conversation.  There is a lot of growth and honest conversation people need to have to realize that racism isnt just not calling people slurs and being cordial to them, Its having real conversations, and a genuine desire to improve the relations of all people.  I don't think that fucking another race hurts relations in anyway, but what helps more is having a constructive dialogue, and learning how everyone can improve themselves.

 

Lastly racism isnt a cut and dry, "yes I am" "no I'm not" thing.  This is why its so important that all people be aware of it and try to learn and improve themselves.   

[misterpiggy]

[quote name="wood" post="397791" .... white guys not wanting to date/fuck black guys cause they think they are all "thugs" Black men not wanting to fuck white men because they think they are all racist assholes who will never get them, or practically every fucking gay man not giving any asian guy a shot because they think they all have small dicks.  None of those things have ANYTHING to do with attraction, its racist tendencies that no one wants to admit to.  People don't want to admit the uncomfortable truth about what they are.

Very interesting point of view. That last statement is a dose of reality for all of us..."People don't want to admit the uncomfortable truth about what they are." Your discourse fits very well in the narrative of the OP. We should all look at ourselves in the mirror and reflect on the idea that racism and homophobia come in the same package.

[RideMyBlkDik]

Maybe we all have racist tendencies. And we tend to mask our racist tendencies by convincing ourselves that we are attracted to certain types. Or we declare that we are entitled to our preferences. There could be a lil bit of racism in all of us.

[travelingbutthole]

Maybe we all have racist tendencies. And we tend to mask our racist tendencies by convincing ourselves that we are attracted to certain types. Or we declare that we are entitled to our preferences. There could be a lil bit of racism in all of us.

 

We are the sum of our life experiences so some negativity lurks within us all to some degree or another.

 

Lets just hope that humanity can learn to not let it control us when the chips are down.

[tallslenderguy]

I appreciate the question and topic. I think anything that gets us to look and listen is good, there's so much we presume.

I've wondered about it in me. The majority of experiences I've had with black guys have been really good, so it could be easy for me to make generalizations about blacks and relate it to race. For me it's been a question of skill. My experiences with most black guys have been with really skilled and atentave fuckers. But that hasn't been universally true, so it would be false to assume all black guys are incredible fuckers lol.

I'm curious about the name: ridemyblkdick...imagine this one: ridemywhtdick. Is racism implied?

[HoleSucka]

@Wood - I just want to say that I thoroughly appreciate everything that you wrote. I agree on ALL counts. 

[misterpiggy]

If you are in a dark room bent over taking multiple cocks and loads, I don't think you are concerned about the breeder's skin color. 

On the other hand if you are a white guy bent over in a dark room taking multiple raw cocks and loads AND you are disgusted that there might be black guys in the mix breeding you...then I think you have some serious issues.  

[Guest mspsubmale]

not sure if this is 'on-topic', but as a bottom for oral and anal receiving, given a choice of submitting to white or Black....i will always choose the Black Man.  have come to have a need to prefer to be sucking a Black Cock, and then opening my ass for his Cock.  have been meeting both, and much prefer to have a Black Man as a Top.  in conversation now with a Black Man who is looking for a white man at 'poz personals', and am looking forward to finally meeting and being a bottom for him;  just trying to arrange schedules for us both. not sure if he has a hvl or is undetectable, but really doesn't matter at this time.  if he might be the one to convert me, i would welcome the chance to have his DNA live in me and hopefully continue a relationship going forward.

[RideMyBlkDik]

not sure if this is 'on-topic', but as a bottom for oral and anal receiving, given a choice of submitting to white or Black....i will always choose the Black Man.  have come to have a need to prefer to be sucking a Black Cock, and then opening my ass for his Cock......

I believe you are very much  'on-topic'. Statistics tend to suggest that black men are more uninhibited sexually than white men. Statistics tend to suggest that black men are more promiscuous than white men. My personal experience, having been with both black and white men, is in agreement with those statistics.

I recall a recent hookup with a black guy who prior to our meeting kept telling me his fuck hole was 'cum-hungry'. Well he performed like a porn star in the bedroom. Interestingly, in the middle of our all-night session, he invited another black guy to spice things up. This third party was a black guy he had just met for the first time walking down the street a few hours earlier. The fucking and the breeding was intense. Both guys took a least 2 loads each from me.

On the other side of the race spectrum, the most recent white guy I bred was a physician I met at a church in Pennsylvania. When we met for sex, I thought he would want me to wear a condom (because of his profession and his high status in the medical community). Well I was pleasantly surprised when he demanded my raw cock and load. Who am I to argue with a doctor? More importantly, in keeping with this "#blacklivesmatter" topic, I found the sex between us was very vanilla. We only fucked raw in the missionary position. He was happy to get my load.  But I prefer to do more in bed than just be a load-giver.

 

Whether you believe there is inherent racism to say that black men are more sexually virile than white men is a matter of personal opinion. Personally I believe that African American men tend to have less inhibitions in the bedroom. The CDC's most recent statistics adds credibility to my beliefs.  According to the CDC, 50% of gay and bisexual black men in the United States will be diagnosed with HIV in their lifetime; 1 in 4 gay Hispanics will be diagnosed with HIV in their lifetime; But only 1 in 11 gay white men will be diagnosed with HIV in their lifetime.  The CDC says that gay black men have the highest risk due to socioeconomic factors.  Those are recently published statistics from the CDC.  Here's one lesson we can learn from the CDC data:  For bug-chasers, that's great news. A white man who is bug-chasing should know that he is better off pursuing a black man...especially a black man with a high viral load. Whether you believe this feeds into racism or pragmatism is really up to you. But it might underscore why you feel the way you do about this topic.

[tallslenderguy]

 

 

Whether you believe there is inherent racism to say that black men are more sexually virile than white men is a matter of personal opinion. Personally I believe that African American men tend to have less inhibitions in the bedroom. The CDC's most recent statistics adds credibility to my beliefs.  According to the CDC, 50% of gay and bisexual black men in the United States will be diagnosed with HIV in their lifetime; 1 in 4 gay Hispanics will be diagnosed with HIV in their lifetime; But only 1 in 11 gay white men will be diagnosed with HIV in their lifetime.  The CDC says that gay black men have the highest risk due to socioeconomic factors.  Those are recently published statistics from the CDC.  Here's one lesson we can learn from the CDC data:  For bug-chasers, that's great news. A white man who is bug-chasing should know that he is better off pursuing a black man...especially a black man with a high viral load. Whether you believe this feeds into racism or pragmatism is really up to you. But it might underscore why you feel the way you do about this topic.

Interesting stats and correlative reasoning. I've also wondered about the prevalence of HIV in Africa. Gay sex is less culturally acceptable (or at least was in the past), but I infer a strong male with male subculture. 

 

My own attraction to black guys has nothing to do with physical appearance or size, it has to do with demeanor. Again, I preface this with my chagrin about possible stereotyping.  Most of the black guys I've been with have been almost artful in their approach to sex. There's been a feel that I've experienced with other races, but not as consistently, so it makes it easier for me to associate it with race. I cannot quite put my finger on what exactly "it" is, but I have usually felt like the black guys who fucked me are more engaged with what they are doing with me so I end up feeling more of a connection. I have had this with guys of other races, it just has been more common/consistent with black guys. Whatever "it" is, I usually end up feeling more romantic with a black guy, more loved or appreciated. It almost always feels less hook up more personal. I think it may be that I feel less objectified. I have ended up feeling more like I could have something regular, relationship of sorts, with more black guys than I've experienced with other races.