If it was up to you to set a new age of consent, what would the age be and why?

[BootmanLA]

The short version of most of the responses decrying age of consent laws seems to be "Better that some kids get raped because they didn't understand they were being manipulated than that I should be denied an orgasm with another person just because I felt I was ready."

[Guest sydbtm]

7 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

The short version of most of the responses decrying age of consent laws seems to be "Better that some kids get raped because they didn't understand they were being manipulated than that I should be denied an orgasm with another person just because I felt I was ready."

And the short version of your responses are “nobody should have sex until they reach an age I decide”. Let people decide for themselves.

[Guest PlanetJunk]

20 hours ago, sydbtm said:

So was I. I wonder if that’s how I developed my interest in sex - from a desire to be loved and comforted.

I cannot agree more. Being wanted made me feel better. 

[BootmanLA]

13 hours ago, sydbtm said:

And the short version of your responses are “nobody should have sex until they reach an age I decide”. Let people decide for themselves.

Including, presumably, children who are too young to be able to make such decisions, under the influence of adults who want to influence the decision in one direction and one direction only.

I'm not saying *I* decide. I said there should be an age, on which *society* decides. You, apparently, think there should be no repercussions if, say, a six year old gets coerced into "agreeing" to have sex with a thirty-year old man. 

[Guest sydbtm]

I’m tired of arguing so I’m not going to repeat myself again, but no, that’s not what I’m saying. You either don’t understand or don’t care to listen.

[BootmanLA]

8 hours ago, sydbtm said:

I’m tired of arguing so I’m not going to repeat myself again, but no, that’s not what I’m saying. You either don’t understand or don’t care to listen.

You said, and I quote - specifically - "Let people decide for themselves."

If a 40-year old man says a six-year old told him he decided he wanted it, and has the a video clip of the six-year old saying he wants it, how do you square that evidence and your "let people decide for themselves" statement with any way of protecting that child?

Serious question. As I understand your statement - and please, correct me if I'm wrong - you're saying that someone of any age should be allowed to decide for himself about sex. Under criminal law - which requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt of each element of a crime, for a conviction - he would have clear, convincing evidence that the child consented. You could never prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the consent was coerced.

What am I missing here?

[BootmanLA]

So you can downvote, but not explain how my clear description of what your position would mean, in practical terms, is in error in any way. Snowflake.

[raw773]

12 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

So you can downvote, but not explain how my clear description of what your position would mean, in practical terms, is in error in any way. Snowflake.

I have been attacked by you (over the renaming of Boystown) and I let it go; but this is the fourth thread I've seen where you've unloaded on people in a pretty histrionic and personal way.

I've been on this site for about eight years now. BZ is usually a pretty chill place and I haven't seen this kind of personal aggression from any other member. I would hope that it is not turning into Twitter.

[ctpozpig]

I was sucking cock and swallowing loads at 13, at 14 I started taking cum up my ass, at 16 I started drinking piss, and at 17 I took my first of many fists. Most all of these were with guys in their 30-50"s

[viking8x6]

I'm fairly strongly of the opinion that adulthood should not be based upon biological age, but should be based upon an individual's demonstration that they understand and accept the responsibilities as well as the rights of adulthood. Possibly in two stages (becoming adolescent and becoming adult).

This should be recognized by a "coming of age" (or more precisely, becoming adult) ceremony - something public - and the new adult citizen should receive some kind of ID that indicates they have "all the rights of" (like the language on advanced college degree diplomas).

Certainly such a thing would apply to the age of consent as well. Adults would undertake the responsibility not to have sex with minors or adolescents, and adolescents would undertake the responsibility not to have sex with minors or adults. This way, it provides both a carrot and a stick. You want the rights, you accept the responsibilities.

There might be a minimum age for applying to take any exams or oaths necessary - I'd suggest 11 to become an adolescent and possibly 15 (maybe 14) to become an adult.

[BootmanLA]

7 hours ago, raw773 said:

I have been attacked by you (over the renaming of Boystown) and I let it go; but this is the fourth thread I've seen where you've unloaded on people in a pretty histrionic and personal way.

I've been on this site for about eight years now. BZ is usually a pretty chill place and I haven't seen this kind of personal aggression from any other member. I would hope that it is not turning into Twitter.

I quote people when I'm arguing the points they made, not to make it a personal attack, but to clarify what I'm responding to.

The poster in question argued point-blank for an abolition of all age-of-consent laws, letting everyone decide for himself. I asked repeatedly how he'd address situations where someone too young to understand were coerced into "consenting" (which I use in quotes to indicate that it's no such thing). He insists his proposal doesn't lead to such situations, and I've asked him to explain how they're prevented with his "decide for yourself" rule, and he has yet to do so.

I'm open to a frank discussion of the issue, but not one which ignores, repeatedly, the issue of coerced consent - which is the reason we currently acknowledge that there's no way for a person below a certain stage of development to meaningfully consent to sex. We can argue what that age should be, but simply discarding the notion entirely without addressing the inevitable consequences is something I'm damned well going to attack - as an idea, not the person pushing it.

[cintarius]

Flexible according to a formula. When at least one partner is below 18:

1) take the age of the older partner,

2) divide their age by 2,

3) add 6.

If you partner is older than that number then it should be legal.

[Guest Upstateguy518]

On 11/9/2020 at 6:13 PM, BootmanLA said:

The short version of most of the responses decrying age of consent laws seems to be "Better that some kids get raped because they didn't understand they were being manipulated than that I should be denied an orgasm with another person just because I felt I was ready."

Pretty much.

[BootmanLA]

4 minutes ago, cintarius said:

Flexible according to a formula. When at least one partner is below 18:

1) take the age of the older partner,

2) divide their age by 2,

3) add 6.

If you partner is older than that number then it should be legal.

I haven't run out all the possible permutations of this, but it's possible something like this could work. I'd note, however, that you could end up with two twelve-year olds having sex; a 17 year old having sex with someone just over 14; a 20-year old college junior having sex with a 16-year old high school sophomore; a 22-year old college graduate having sex with a 17-year old high school senior - that is, using this formula.

I'd tweak it some, maybe make step 3 to be "add 7". That's getting closer to spreads I think are reasonable. That's not an edict, just a personal opinion.

[raw773]

4 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

I've asked him to explain how they're prevented with his "decide for yourself" rule, and he has yet to do so.

Other people online don't owe you anything, so I don't blame him.

I would gently suggest if you don't like something you've read, maybe just let it go. As I say, you've gotten into a lot of fights with others. It's just not the vibe here.

I am going to set you to "ignore" now so this won't bother me again. I do think you're putting a lot of your own energy into what is basically a fun porn/sex site. My friendly advice is beat off more, argue less. We'll all be happier.