If it was up to you to set a new age of consent, what would the age be and why?

[hntnhole]

Given that boys and girls begin to reach sexual maturity at differing ages, there is no "fair" way for Government to decide at what age we can start to fuck each other (meaning boys/girls/gays/straights/everyone).  

Girls get preggers well before 18 (and their dads get out the shotguns) forcing a legal status on the physical realm, and obviously no particular age will work out fairly - but that isn't the point.  The majority of folks believe there must be some cast-in-cement  control mechanism, and we've wound up at 18.  Kids that want to fuck younger than that have done it, and will continue to do that no matter what contrivance 'we the people' or 'our' Government decides.  

Government believes it must regulate things which neither cultural norms nor Institutionalized Religion can, and has settled at x age, merely because the majority of the governed insist that Government do that. 

Whether there's sense to be made of it or not is hardly the point.

[PozBearWI]

Indeed age of consent varies by state.  The sense is really on whether charges can be brought, and bottom line to that, it is less damaging to have it than not.  

[Erik62]

On 11/24/2023 at 2:11 AM, Marlin said:

The world has changed so much....I began to become physically mature at 12 with my pubic hair sprouting and my penis growing but I had never ejaculated and had no idea what semen was. It wasnt until I was 13 when I shot my first load and that was by accident. I had been rubbing my penis when without notice I started spurting this white gooey fluid. My freshman year in high school was the first time I had seen other sexually mature guys while in the shower. Thats when i knew I was gay. Seeing varying sized dicks, different amount of pubic hair, chest hair and different colors was such a huge turn on. Unfortunately I never had sex with another man until college.

With the internet I'm confident all guys have been exposed to sex by the time they reach puberty 

Being exposed & indulging in the sex act, at 12, does not take mental acuity into consideration. Yes, a 12yr old boys penis may become erect & he can ejaculate, but that does not mean his mental / psychological developement (full understanding of the act & it's full implications) has kept pace. As an ex-nurse, often in paeds I have seen little male babies have ERECTIONS. Does this mean they are able to consent 🤔🤔?? Even at 18 some boys although physically developed remain very naive, sheltered & protected (unworldly). A scale of consent age (between males & females) is certainly NOT APPROPRIATE & as a result 18yrs has been adopted as the standard for both exes. You have 60yrs to enjoy sex, why do you need a paltry 2-6yrs added on 🤔🤔??? 

[Erik62]

On 11/28/2023 at 6:24 PM, Kayne said:

 I don't believe a magic number makes one automatically ready or matured enough to make this decision. If one sets obvious abuse and grooming aside, people mature at different rates and this "one size fits all attitude stinks. Also the " there is no defense/ excuse / you should have known attitude is disgusting. at 14 years old, even with a baby face, I was turning tricks, hanging out in bars and being served and hanging out in ABS around men that if caught, would have been ruined. and the lion's share of the contact was initiated by me. I can't tell you how many cabbies firemen and store owners I had contact with in my grandmother's neighborhood in Queens when I was Jailbait. 

I'm not bragging. far from it. I was a boyscout with guys that were still thinking about "cooties" Sex wasn't on their radar yet.  Government involvement is a necessary evil to protect kids from literal predators  ( although in some places the laws are written to protect a certain class of predator) Still i feel if you need a license to drive or to marry. there should be a test/ license to consent to fuck. 

it drives me crazy that one can join the mitary for indoctrination In junior high school starting with Color Guard. One can join the military as early as 16, But while you're being taught  to march and kill, one can't drive, vote, smoke, have an adult beverage or consent to having you junk slapped around by the person of your choice . its fucking wild.

The operative word being TAUGHT to march & kill. These students never actually go out & kill people. Students are taught Sex Ed & Learner Driver courses but, once again they ARE NOT actually partaking of the act of having sex or driving down a freeway at 110kmh. At age 18yrs, you are usually allowed to do all activities. Except countries like US whose drinking age is 21yrs, I believe. 

[Erik62]

18 hours ago, Basicinla said:

I voted for 12. I think that's a good age for when boys are ready for sex. 

Definitely NOT READY, mentally😥. 

[nate88]

2 hours ago, Erik62 said:

Definitely NOT READY, mentally😥. 

I'd suggest the solution to that is teaching kids how to process their feelings and the proper ways to seek/give consent.

Edited November 16 by nate88

[RobertBottomSlut]

I’m sure it is predominantly a horrible, damaging experience. But I’m glad it happened to me at age 8. I believe it pried open a door that I would have never otherwise found the key to.
And I wish it would have been legal, because I wanted much more of it. 

[jXsluT]

started craving juicy daddy dick when I was around 12 when i had total access to gay porn and finally surrendered to my lust on my 14 birth day. 

[hntnhole]

17 hours ago, Erik62 said:

paeds

I had to ask the Googler about that one - and learned something new - Thanks !!

[hntnhole]

14 hours ago, nate88 said:

I'd suggest the solution to that is teaching kids how to process their feelings and the proper ways to seek/give consent

Generally, I agree with this reply.  The only "rub" might be that kids too young (intellectually) may very well not be equipped yet to process this kind of information.  I think that ideally, a certain level of physical maturity needs to precede the sexual awareness, but there's no way I can think of to accomplish that. 

Imagine some kid sitting in SexEd class, knowing that something really cool is happening between his legs (whether het or gay is immaterial in this thought-exercise).  It would be most productive for him to learn once the process of maturity has begun, rather than too much too early, or too little too late.  But kids simply don't mature sexually at the same time, so it's reasonable to set an age at which most kids have either reached sexual maturity, or at least become aware of what's happening to them. 

It's probable that 18 is too late for most. 

[nate88]

That's the type of thing I'm referring to, hntnhole - giving kids those basic mental building blocks so they can recognise and understand those feelings when they start to develop. I became sexually active with my friends very early on and we knew we were being "naughty" so we had to keep our thoughts secret and figure it out ourselves - but why? Why do we demonise something that should be fun and natural? I assume it's because most people prefer to think of kids as being perfect little creatures rather than young human beings who experience the same type of existence as adults do, just in their own way.

In retrospect I felt a lot of confusion, frustration and fear about sex when I was younger - but that's because I was feeling things I *wanted* to feel but didn't know how to process yet, and I was afraid of getting caught and being in trouble. Those aren't the type of feelings and emotions we should be letting young people associate with sex. For the benefit of my younger self and anyone else like me, I wish we (as a society) stopped treating these feelings as something we're only allowed to feel beyond a certain age and stopped kidding ourselves into thinking these type of instincts can be ignored or suppressed.

[Erik62]

2 hours ago, hntnhole said:

I had to ask the Googler about that one - and learned something new - Thanks !!

So sorry😂👍!! The world of Acronyms, which I loathe more than our political leaders, has been around for ever 🙄🤣. Most medical terms are so annoyingly long & difficult to say.

  B & B's (burns & bowels), Ortho (orthopaedics), BP (blood pressure) & one of the most fun to ask any nurse / doctor to say (quickly) is BPM / sphygmo (blood pressure monitor, sphygmomanometer). 

  Love reading your commentary, US election has been very enlightening 🤣😘😘. 

[Erik62]

17 hours ago, nate88 said:

I'd suggest the solution to that is teaching kids how to process their feelings and the proper ways to seek/give consent.

IF a child (under 18)has been protected, raised in a heavily conservative religious environment, has slow intellectual developement (dyslexia, ADHD or from an injury) or intellectually disabled (Down Syndrome) will negate any attempt to teach a child to process their feelings, ethics & morality & the proper ways to seek / give consent.

  18, as the age of consent, is not a foolproof marker but it provides a protection for most children who would be seriously traumatised (peer pressure, predators) by the sex act below 18.

[Erik62]

2 hours ago, nate88 said:

That's the type of thing I'm referring to, hntnhole - giving kids those basic mental building blocks so they can recognise and understand those feelings when they start to develop. I became sexually active with my friends very early on and we knew we were being "naughty" so we had to keep our thoughts secret and figure it out ourselves - but why? Why do we demonise something that should be fun and natural? I assume it's because most people prefer to think of kids as being perfect little creatures rather than young human beings who experience the same type of existence as adults do, just in their own way.

In retrospect I felt a lot of confusion, frustration and fear about sex when I was younger - but that's because I was feeling things I *wanted* to feel but didn't know how to process yet, and I was afraid of getting caught and being in trouble. Those aren't the type of feelings and emotions we should be letting young people associate with sex. For the benefit of my younger self and anyone else like me, I wish we (as a society) stopped treating these feelings as something we're only allowed to feel beyond a certain age and stopped kidding ourselves into thinking these type of instincts can be ignored or suppressed.

NO 12yr old (unless wealthy parents) is equipped to deal with any negative consequences financially, or mentally of (under age) sex. 

[nate88]

3 minutes ago, Erik62 said:

NO 12yr old (unless wealthy parents) is equipped to deal with any negative consequences financially, or mentally of (under age) sex. 

My point is education will help negate whatever negative consequences you're imagining. This is exactly the type of attitude I was referring to in my last reply.