Will you vote for Donald Trump in 2020 ?

[Pozlover1]

Just now, Grey said:

The ability to ascribe moral judgement to who you work for is a privilege. For many people, the choice is between working for your current employer and not being able to make ends meet. Sure, I'm in a position to refuse to provide any labor that benefits a homophobe. Others are not. I don't judge them for making a living doing something that hurts no one -- obviously it's different when you're actively enforcing bigotry. Either way, there's no reason someone shouldn't be able to make a living on account of their sexual orientation.

You always have a choice. Stay in Podunk Arkansas and pick cotton or move to Atlanta. Stay in San Benefitos or sneak in to the USA. There’s no shame in running away from problems, it’s how this country was formed. 

[Grey]

25 minutes ago, Pozlover1 said:

You always have a choice. Stay in Podunk Arkansas and pick cotton or move to Atlanta. Stay in San Benefitos or sneak in to the USA. There’s no shame in running away from problems, it’s how this country was formed. 

Again, not always true. Moving and making a living elsewhere requires a non-negligible amount of resources -- access to a car for moving (or a moving service), ability to apply for jobs elsewhere or otherwise save up for expenses while you find a new one (do you have time to drive to your new city and apply for jobs while working full time and paying life's expenses?), ability to find a job there in the first place... There's so many factors that can preclude that from being possible. Again, I think there should be no reason someone should be fired for their sexual orientation for this very reason. I'd like to think that in that future, should you get a whiff of a homophobic boss, you find your way elsewhere. Till then, you shouldn't need to worry about how you're gonna put food on the table. What part of that is unreasonable?

[Pozlover1]

2 hours ago, Grey said:

Again, not always true. Moving and making a living elsewhere requires a non-negligible amount of resources -- access to a car for moving (or a moving service), ability to apply for jobs elsewhere or otherwise save up for expenses while you find a new one (do you have time to drive to your new city and apply for jobs while working full time and paying life's expenses?), ability to find a job there in the first place... There's so many factors that can preclude that from being possible. Again, I think there should be no reason someone should be fired for their sexual orientation for this very reason. I'd like to think that in that future, should you get a whiff of a homophobic boss, you find your way elsewhere. Till then, you shouldn't need to worry about how you're gonna put food on the table. What part of that is unreasonable?

Quite reasonable but unrealistic in a world run by Sarah Palin. Latin Americans come 1,000 miles with nothing, just to get a better job. They don’t have a table to put food on. This is the mindset that made the USA, even with all its faults, the best place to work and live in the world. Dependence on a corrupt Government to guarantee bare subsistence is what the Latin Americans  left behind and exactly what keeps Blacks in the Projects and Whites in Appalachia trapped in a cage of their own fear. 

[Pozlover1]

At any given time there are widely different areas in the USA. The oil patch boom of Montana is no more. There are manufacturing jobs in the Rust Belt now. There is a vitality about boom towns as well as opportunity to learn new skills. Those skills are the only thing you really own, and will be the only thing of value when (not if) the economy slumps. Do not trust Donald Trump or anybody else to save your ass. 

[Guest hungandmean]

I know it won't really matter because some of y'all are so fucking brain washed

But as of today (with no warning) HHS (which hands out billions) is not longer bound by rules that made sure the organizations they dealt with didn't discriminate against gays. As of instantly every single health, adoption, welfare, housing, etc, group that deals with HHS can just say "We will feed you, EXCEPT THE GAYS!" and they could still receive millions in federal grants.

Y'all are so fucked and you don't even realize it... 

[think before following links] https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-stops-enforcing-some-nondiscrimination-provisions-in-federal-grants-11572632036

[Pozlover1]

On 11/2/2019 at 6:12 AM, hungandmean said:

I know it won't really matter because some of y'all are so fucking brain washed

But as of today (with no warning) HHS (which hands out billions) is not longer bound by rules that made sure the organizations they dealt with didn't discriminate against gays. As of instantly every single health, adoption, welfare, housing, etc, group that deals with HHS can just say "We will feed you, EXCEPT THE GAYS!" and they could still receive millions in federal grants.

Y'all are so fucked and you don't even realize it... 

[think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-stops-enforcing-some-nondiscrimination-provisions-in-federal-grants-11572632036

True story. This was caused by a lawsuit from religious charities. They used the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as a lever to wipe out the LBGT nondiscrimination guidelines to HHS arbitrarily added by President Obama. 

Trump can show that he did not order this, but he did promise it to a Religious Right convention...his dog whistle is “freedom of religion”, mentioned in every speech. 
 

There have bern numerous attempts to add LBGT to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. “Maybe we should try the Disabilities Act” LOL. 
 

It is my belief that if we separate the T’s out through a clear path to get that little box changed on their ID/Drivers license, the Gay part would have to pass. If there is to be a Federal anti discrimination law we have to be included. Fact. 
 

As I have mentioned before, in MY OPINION no Government should ever track our gender, sex, race, “ethnicity” or anything else other than “are you a living human check yes or no”. 

[dickluva]

     Love this thread. Thank you to everybody who has shared here. My list of grievances against the Democratic party is long. I live in St Louis County Missouri. I will try to be brief. There have only been Democrats elected to my local government my whole life.  It was Democratic Governor Nixon who threw me off the welfare rolls for food stamps. 2008 I was not doing well. It was Gov Nixon who failed to deploy the National Guard to protect Ferguson from the protestors who set fires in the protests of 2015 that caused extensive damaged to a suburb making a bad situation worse for poor citizens; though Gov. Nixon effectively applied the National Guard to protect County assets in Clayton Mo, a ritzy suburb. Our schools lost accreditation during Gov Nixon era. Murder rates continue to climb. Assaults on people have soared. Our new democratic prosecutor is not going to prosecute child support violations or less than 100 grams of any illegal substance as possession. This part of Atty Wesley Bell's plan to make St Louis safer, and more profitable for the drug cartels. The rest of Missouri, the Republican part, does not have these violence issues.

   I lost 2 cousins, Nicki and Zac both under 25 years old to Fentanyl during Obama/Biden/Clinton era. When I was under 25yo, I doubt anyone in St Charles MO had died from Fentanyl. It is much harder to stop the drug cartels now, that they have established networks including police and media in the USA. St Louis City and County also are on pace for record-setting overdose deaths this year, said Brandon Costerison of the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Abuse, that follows a record 760 Opiod-related deaths in the St. Louis region in 2017. I say the victims were murdered because the many victims didn't think they were buying something that will kill them right then. St Louis is well above the national average, with up to 95 percent of our overdose deaths involving the lethal drug according to St Louis coroner. 

     3 Houses on my block, 2 of which i share a property line with me went into foreclosure in 2008. The house just west of me just sold for a record for my street June 2019. Our family business that almost went out of business during the Obama era, each quarter since the 2016 election has improved on the last, and just set a new stock record price today.

    I am not going to base my vote on how the Kurds or any tribe in the Middle East is mistreated. I see plenty of people mistreated here in St Louis, MO. I do not pay taxes or vote to support foreign interests. I am not going to base my vote on one article from the Wall Street Journal either. If the WSJ wants to influence my vote they should unlock the article so I can read it. I don't care anymore what the media thinks. Lame Stream Media evidently doesn't care what this rich white boy thinks. I remember when the MSM told us tobacco is not addictive, and glycophosphate is not harmful. I pray you vote in your own best interests. I do not believe the Dems will do any better in the future than Dems did in the past at making life better in the USA for taxpayers, especially gay men. I have written pages on this subject that I haven't posted, I think I have already said too much here. Thank you for reading this.

[Pozlover1]

Despite a rousing speech by Donald Trump in Lexington, it looks like the previous Democratic Governor Brashear has won the Kentucky gubernatorial election by a slim margin. Republican Governor Bevin has cut many welfare and social programs during his tenure. The election was decided in Louisville, Lexington and some Appalachian counties - several of which have 25% of the people on Federal Social Security Disability. 

Edited November 6, 2019 by Pozlover1

[Guest hungandmean]

On 11/5/2019 at 3:56 PM, Pozlover1 said:

True story. This was caused by a lawsuit from religious charities. They used the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as a lever to wipe out the LBGT nondiscrimination guidelines to HHS arbitrarily added by President Obama. 

Trump can show that he did not order this, but he did promise it to a Religious Right convention...his dog whistle is “freedom of religion”, mentioned in every speech. 
 

There have bern numerous attempts to add LBGT to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. “Maybe we should try the Disabilities Act” LOL. 
 

It is my belief that if we separate the T’s out through a clear path to get that little box changed on their ID/Drivers license, the Gay part would have to pass. If there is to be a Federal anti discrimination law we have to be included. Fact. 
 

As I have mentioned before, in MY OPINION no Government should ever track our gender, sex, race, “ethnicity” or anything else other than “are you a living human check yes or no”. 

Separate the Ts? This is such a disgusting and cowardly take. Gay people owe the majority of their rights to the trans people who advocated for us - such as Marsha P. Johnson. 

We can't just toss out the most vulnerable among us and sit back and be like, "Well I got mine." 

Pathetic. 

[Pozlover1]

1 hour ago, hungandmean said:

Separate the Ts? This is such a disgusting and cowardly take. Gay people owe the majority of their rights to the trans people who advocated for us - such as Marsha P. Johnson. 

We can't just toss out the most vulnerable among us and sit back and be like, "Well I got mine." 

Pathetic. 

There has always been friction between some T’s and the LGB. Allowing them a path to change their legal status without an operation or hormones would give them the legitimacy they crave, and alleviate the fears of lawmakers and other idiots about bathrooms. As legally male or female they already enjoy protection under the Civil Rights Act. Of course they could also join the LBG community if they want to whether they are binary, andro, ace,  whatever, or a straight ally. 

Edited November 7, 2019 by Pozlover1

[dirtyarizona]

The Democrats (also known as the Socialists or the "Progressives") have become absolutely hysterical drama queens.  "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"  "The world as we know it is going to end in 12 years if we don't quit using fossil fuels!" "Donald Trump is going to put 20 million homosexuals in extermination camps!"

Millions of Americans have seen through this charade, this bullshit.  It is actually the DEMOCRATS who want to continue the division of America, not the Republicans.  Just remember, it was Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican President, who signed the Emancipation Proclamation, granting the slaves their freedom.

 

 

 

 

[kenaibull]

A bareback sex site has no gone full retard c-span. I prefer SPUN!

[Guest hungandmean]

On 11/7/2019 at 2:47 AM, Pozlover1 said:

There has always been friction between some T’s and the LGB. Allowing them a path to change their legal status without an operation or hormones would give them the legitimacy they crave, and alleviate the fears of lawmakers and other idiots about bathrooms. As legally male or female they already enjoy protection under the Civil Rights Act. Of course they could also join the LBG community if they want to whether they are binary, andro, ace,  whatever, or a straight ally. 

In my country there are no requirements to have sexual reassignment surgery to have your legal gender changed. You are being sucked into a diversion tactic that is funded heavily by the religious right that attempts to separate and pit us against ourselves.... and in your instance is appears to be working... and that is truly sad. The average life span of a trans woman (MTF) is 35 years old. For most trans people this is not a game. This is a life or death issue and straight acting or passable white men are insulated from it. 

Specifically, for female to male SRS in my country there is one doctor who will do it. He has an extensive and exhaustive list of criteria before he will do this surgery. It requires proof of a large amount of aftercare funds (try finding a job as a trans person, I dare you) - no history of using drugs, no issues like HIV, letters from Psychiatrists -- and proof you have lived as the gender you want to be for a long time (Sooo... try applying for jobs with 40DD boobs, but you're resume says Mark Smith, and then you have to give your ID and it says Mary Smith)

The hoops, hurdles, and obstacles are huge. 

A bunch of bigots worried about who is pissing in which bathroom is a fucking distraction and we need to be smarter than this. We need to do better, and defend the most vulnerable of our communities. This isn't about some fringe group begging for legitimacy because in this day and age most trans people are more worried about being murdered than whether or not their Starbucks Barista used the correct pronouns when they placed an order. 

 

[Pozlover1]

2 hours ago, hungandmean said:

In my country there are no requirements to have sexual reassignment surgery to have your legal gender changed. You are being sucked into a diversion tactic that is funded heavily by the religious right that attempts to separate and pit us against ourselves.... and in your instance is appears to be working... and that is truly sad. The average life span of a trans woman (MTF) is 35 years old. For most trans people this is not a game. This is a life or death issue and straight acting or passable white men are insulated from it. 

Specifically, for female to male SRS in my country there is one doctor who will do it. He has an extensive and exhaustive list of criteria before he will do this surgery. It requires proof of a large amount of aftercare funds (try finding a job as a trans person, I dare you) - no history of using drugs, no issues like HIV, letters from Psychiatrists -- and proof you have lived as the gender you want to be for a long time (Sooo... try applying for jobs with 40DD boobs, but you're resume says Mark Smith, and then you have to give your ID and it says Mary Smith)

The hoops, hurdles, and obstacles are huge. 

A bunch of bigots worried about who is pissing in which bathroom is a fucking distraction and we need to be smarter than this. We need to do better, and defend the most vulnerable of our communities. This isn't about some fringe group begging for legitimacy because in this day and age most trans people are more worried about being murdered than whether or not their Starbucks Barista used the correct pronouns when they placed an order. 

 

I am not in favor of the operations. Today some people don’t care about that in a partner, or prefer male parts downstairs. Actually I am also not a fan of the hormones (although whores moan if you don’t pay them). If they are truly TG they don’t need hormones, and if they are somewhere in the middle I’d say just be yourself and don’t let other people railroad you into a binary mindset. This to me is actually supporting them without enabling insanity. The Government should not be involved in your decisions, either to forbid your choice or pay for it. The only laws about this should be to protect everyone from  violence and a strong support of carrying the self defense weapon of your choice everywhere with no “weapon free zones”. 

Edited November 11, 2019 by Pozlover1

[Guest hungandmean]

20 hours ago, Pozlover1 said:

I am not in favor of the operations. Today some people don’t care about that in a partner, or prefer male parts downstairs. Actually I am also not a fan of the hormones (although whores moan if you don’t pay them). If they are truly TG they don’t need hormones, and if they are somewhere in the middle I’d say just be yourself and don’t let other people railroad you into a binary mindset. This to me is actually supporting them without enabling insanity. The Government should not be involved in your decisions, either to forbid your choice or pay for it. The only laws about this should be to protect everyone from  violence and a strong support of carrying the self defense weapon of your choice everywhere with no “weapon free zones”. 

I can't even wrap my brain around your position.

From a financial perspective - you are looking at lifelong therapy appointments. In my country that is $350/hr Psychiatrist appointments, anti depressants, anti anxiety medication, anti psychotics, and often medical interventions in the instance of suicide (ICU treatments, suicide watch, more intensive therapy than out patient therapy) 

The cost to a taxpayer is MUCH larger when we attempt to suppress someones trans identity. Like even if you think it's bullshit, you think it's immoral, you think it isn't real, you think it's gross, you think it doesn't exist - the point of it all is that it exists in a real enough fashion that we, as a society are forced to address it. Whether you think it's enabling insanity or not. (We enable, support, and pay for all kinds of insanity as tax payers. You aren't asking the government to defund every Schizophrenic who believes in an alien invasion or Demonic possession)

The reality of this specific kind of, "insanity," is that the prescription costs (Hormones) are less expensive than the psychiatric costs. The surgical costs are less expensive than the associated risks, There is, literally, a net positive for supporting trans people.

Their mental health improves, their risk of suicide, drug abuse, suicide, self harm, etc, etc, etc, all improve. It's literally a win/win scenario.

The government is involved in so many of our medical decisions. You are letting a personal belief get in the way of helping people who have *zero* impact on your life and the choice you are choosing for them makes their life objectively worse and has no effect on your own.