Climate change

[Guest takingdeepanal]

Modern-day scientists are like the playwrights and artists of the Middle Ages. They rely on patronage for their income - and computers can only compute based on what data is input into their system. 

[Pozlover1]

2 minutes ago, takingdeepanal said:

Modern-day scientists are like the playwrights and artists of the Middle Ages. They rely on patronage for their income - and computers can only compute based on what data is input into their system. 

Bingo! 

[Pozlover1]

7 hours ago, viking8x6 said:

OK, this is for everyone on both sides here: Quit spouting talking points and cite some damn sources. Otherwise, to quote Monty Python, "That's not argument; it's just contradiction." I believe it's possible to have a meaningful discussion on this topic, but y'all are not doing it.

According to NASA the average temperature of the Earth has risen 1.4°F since 1880. Most of that has been in the last 20 years and corresponds to industrialization in China.

Those  are the facts. 
 

THE FOLLOWING IS AN OPINION

If it goes up 1° every 20 years, nothing will happen of any consequence. 

[TTFN]

10 minutes ago, takingdeepanal said:

Modern-day scientists are like the playwrights and artists of the Middle Ages. They rely on patronage for their income - and computers can only compute based on what data is input into their system. 

and that can be manipulated to give the desired result.

[sthrnguy]

Has it not occurred to anyone posting here that absolutely zero (as in nothing) will be done about this that impedes the lifestyles of most people in 1st world nations?  Why?  Because if any legislation to combat "climate change" screws with people's lives ( causes more than a minor hindrence) the politicians that supported said legislation will be out on their asses come the next election, and we all know that a politician loves nothing more than being re-elected.  I say let's pass the "Green New Deal" and let the prices of everything skyrocket (probably more than double here in the US).  And when people are freezing in their homes, can't afford gasoline, and have to get by eating much less, the far left "climate change" lunatics will be banished from power for a generation or more.  We all have seen what happens when politicians willfully ignore a large portion, if not a majority, of the population (see 2019 British election results if you need a refresher).  Sorry, but the majority of us have no desire to live in a shithole country, and frankly neither do the people that do.  Only cheap energy will continue to lift them out of poverty.

[Guest MrBob]

Everyone has some very good arguments. Point out very thoughtful point to the problem. But Why hasn't anyone talked about the Money? Check back to the start of the Paris Agreement on climate change. Only the USA was over charged and expected to pay the most money when China, India and other countries paid nothing. There were 195 countries at the accord and they all wanted to get their hands on American money. Yes graft and most of those dollars would have ended up in the hands of the rich and nothing would have been done to combat climate change.

[TTFN]

It is ALL about money and control.

[john54476]

Ok, If I recall my lessons in school that fossil fuels have millions of years worth of carbon stored in them. When we use the fuel the carbon is rereleased in the atmosphere where it is reabsorbed mostly by the oceans and plants starting a new cycle and that changes the environment, including acid rain etc. I do recall fluorocarbons are causing the green house effect in the atmosphere, aersols, animal gas (methane) and other sources, global warming.

As for the tree hugging Tesla fanatics and electric car owners, the majority of the power used by these vehicles are derived from fossil fuel burning power plants which have an efficiency of 26% by the time the juice leaves the plant. Yes there is some hydro and nuclear both of which are looked down on the environment as well. Very little geo thermal or solar.

So these owner's see there is no tail pipe emissions therfore feel there is no carbon foot print, in reality the foot print is huge and the efficiency quite bad.

The most likely solutions involve low impact renewable such as tidal energy, geo thermal, solar and wind. But most importantly raising efficiency to reduce the speed of consumption would have the biggest effect. Reduction of methane gas through agricultural practices and reductions in bovine herds.

And as for that little snot Gretta, she looks evil, the scowls, contorted faces, and far to angry for her age. I read she has a form of downs syndrome or something similar which is in part responsible for this, but am uncertain. 

[Pozlover1]

50 minutes ago, john54476 said:

Ok, If I recall my lessons in school that fossil fuels have millions of years worth of carbon stored in them. When we use the fuel the carbon is rereleased in the atmosphere where it is reabsorbed mostly by the oceans and plants starting a new cycle and that changes the environment, including acid rain etc. I do recall fluorocarbons are causing the green house effect in the atmosphere, aersols, animal gas (methane) and other sources, global warming.

As for the tree hugging Tesla fanatics and electric car owners, the majority of the power used by these vehicles are derived from fossil fuel burning power plants which have an efficiency of 26% by the time the juice leaves the plant. Yes there is some hydro and nuclear both of which are looked down on the environment as well. Very little geo thermal or solar.

So these owner's see there is no tail pipe emissions therfore feel there is no carbon foot print, in reality the foot print is huge and the efficiency quite bad.

The most likely solutions involve low impact renewable such as tidal energy, geo thermal, solar and wind. But most importantly raising efficiency to reduce the speed of consumption would have the biggest effect. Reduction of methane gas through agricultural practices and reductions in bovine herds.

And as for that little snot Gretta, she looks evil, the scowls, contorted faces, and far to angry for her age. I read she has a form of downs syndrome or something similar which is in part responsible for this, but am uncertain. 

Sulfur Dioxide made the acid rain. (SO2+H2O=H2SO4). The oxides of nitrogen cause “photochemical smog”. Between computers on cars and catalytic comverters on cars, coal and gas generators, and DEF on diesels these are now nil in the USA and Europe. CO2 helps the trees and crops. China and India have clever people, they can clean up their act if we “encourage” them...

Edited December 23, 2019 by Pozlover1

[MackyJay]

I seem to see almost as many deniers on here as those who use their brains to see what is happening.  Most of the deniers want to point to millions of years of changes.  Ice age, for one, and say it ended with no man made heating.  There have been many changes over the years and scientists CAN track those changes and have and most climate changes have taken literally centuries to change, but now change towards climate change is happening over 100 times faster than it ever has in the past.  Man made all the way and proven.  They went to the poles to check ice and what did they find?  Where snow and ice should be very bright white, which bounces the suns rays off are now mostly gray and in some areas black which aborbs the sun's rays therefore heating the polar ice.  When they checked the 'stuff' covering the ice, it was found to be residue expelled into the air from CARBON EMISSIONS which are almost all caused by HUMANS BURNING FOSSIL FUELS.  Irrefutable evidence and supported by more than 97% of the scientists of the world.  Only ones actually denying it are those who have not checked it or just want their names posted somewhere.   Climate change IS REAL and it IS CAUSED BY MAN and anyone denying it is just being very dumb.  Sorry if that insults some but that is the only conclusion to come from deniers.

 

[Guest takingdeepanal]

2 hours ago, Pozlover1 said:

Sulfur Dioxide made the acid rain. (SO2+H2O=H2SO4). The oxides of nitrogen cause “photochemical smog”. Between computers on cars and catalytic comverters on cars, coal and gas generators, and DEF on diesels these are now nil in the USA and Europe. CO2 helps the trees and crops. China and India have clever people, they can clean up their act if we “encourage” them...

Like the US did with their $150B bribe of Iran (which the latter ignored anyway)? How much will China and India demand? $5T? $10T?

[Guest takingdeepanal]

Why is it that the ones who scream blame have no economically or socially viable solutions? It's all good and well to demand an end to excess emissions - but what them happens to people's jobs and the ancillary jobs which rely upon their income? It's no use retraining workers for jobs which don't exist - and service jobs won't pay for your mortgage. 

[Ranger Rick]

The Climate Change Activists remind me of televangelists. When thousands of them travel by private jet to Climate Change Conferences at plush resorts and then lecture on how *everyone else* needs to have a lower standard of living or the world is doomed; how are they different than a televangelist who rails that adultery and alcohol and gambling will lead you straight to hell... and then spend all their spare time in casinos, with hookers, getting wasted. Same thing. If you're going to preach that the world is facing is a climate apocalypse, don't own 13 enormous mansions and travel everywhere by private jet and megayacht (Lookin' at you, Bloomberg, Steyer, de Caprio, and Al Gore.) 

[Pozlover1]

33 minutes ago, Ranger Rick said:

The Climate Change Activists remind me of televangelists. When thousands of them travel by private jet to Climate Change Conferences at plush resorts and then lecture on how *everyone else* needs to have a lower standard of living or the world is doomed; how are they different than a televangelist who rails that adultery and alcohol and gambling will lead you straight to hell... and then spend all their spare time in casinos, with hookers, getting wasted. Same thing. If you're going to preach that the world is facing is a climate apocalypse, don't own 13 enormous mansions and travel everywhere by private jet and megayacht (Lookin' at you, Bloomberg, Steyer, de Caprio, and Al Gore.) 

Their reasoning is always peppered with how stupid anyone is if they don’t fall in line with the propaganda they believe.

Here’s a flash. I believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old. There was a Flood, Jesus is real and accepts you if you accept Him. There is not much time left but it ain’t because of Climate Change, it’s because of the people pushing it to justify a One World Government. 

[MackyJay]

1 hour ago, takingdeepanal said:

Like the US did with their $150B bribe of Iran (which the latter ignored anyway)? How much will China and India demand? $5T? $10T?

There was NO SUCH BRIBE OF IRAN, than was proven false a long time ago now.  Just a conservative lie, again.  And Iran did not ignore anything and only TRUMP FOOLS believe they weren't complying as all check from many countries PROVED they were honoring their commitment.