cum in mouth vs. cum facial

[Phallarchist]

20 hours ago, ErosWired said:

I confess I’ve never understood the appeal of facials as an expression of Dominance. To me, the gold standard of Dominance is penetration, and the ultimate expression of that is the deepest possible deposit of the Dominant’s essence into the submissive where it can then never be completely removed. 

Penetration has, at the point of release, been well achieved, and possibly into both cunts in alternation. A bred load is quickly lost to the interior. An ejaculation into the face is a frontal assault on the (hypothetical) dignity of the victim. It also allows the man to view the splendor of his seed strewn over the (presumably attractive) face he has just fucked. I would also regard pissing or spitting on a face to be dominant. Slapping even more so. Is there any doubt that these acts convey contempt?

[Guest]

If cum isn’t shot into the body it’s just wasted.

[ErosWired]

2 hours ago, FaceLoad said:

A bred load is quickly lost to the interior

On the contrary, whereas a facial may be wiped off as though it had not occurred, a bred load must necessarily be at least minimally absorbed by the body, and thus become a physical part of the fucked man. A fusion occurs; whether by absorption of the Top’s water and semen chemistry by the bowel, or if swallowed, by the digestion and full integration of the Top’s proteins. The Top, by force of his ejaculation, adds himself to the sum of the bottom. The load is never lost.

 I’m also not sure I accept the equivalency you draw between ejaculation and the act of spitting, pissing or slapping. Among bottoms, at least, there is a near-universal acknowledgment that semen is a valuable substance. Some may value piss, but I doubt many would give it the same reverence as cum. Even for those to whom piss is gold, semen is platinum. If men could routinely ejaculate multiple times in short order, facials might make more sense to bottoms, but given the fact that a single orgasm may end a Top’s potential for that encounter, we necessarily have to have a sense of preference.

 I place a negative value on piss, so in my case you are correct, pissing in my face would express domination and contempt, as would slapping and spitting. A facial, however, would not - you would have showered my face with something highly desirable, and more likely than not, I will be expected to consume it orally. I may be disappointed that you did not choose to give yourself the enhanced pleasure of a more natural internal release, and confused why you would make that choice, but not particularly humiliated by it. One has the sense that the perception that facials are humiliating is more commonly seen from the Top point of view than from the bottom, and indeed, the responses to this thread seem to reflect that.

And while it does seem possible to express contempt for a sub using a facial with the sentiment, “You’re not even worth inseminating”, it seems counterproductive for the Top to have fucked the bottom but then deny himself the augmented pleasure that comes with internal release. It also tends to suggest that the Top places a lesser value on his own seed, which for most bottoms is more inexplicable than demeaning. I suspect that Tops who derive greater pleasure from demonstrations of dominance using facials than they do from freely releasing their load deep into a warm body are a distinct minority.

To my mind, the most frontal assault (or most direct anterior assault) on the dignity of the victim is interior ejaculation. Ejaculation is by definition a forceful and violent act - when performed in such a way that it penetrates to the vulnerable interior of the target, even the most benign interpretation of it must acknowledge that its power has overcome all resistance and is therefore, for that moment, the master of the subdued. If you simply splash your seed into the face of a sub, you do not achieve that.

 If doing so gives you a personal sense of degrading your target, however, I do not discourage you - I would look on it as a fetish like any other fetish. Just be aware that it may not always have the effect you imagine on the mind of the receiver. The eyes will tell - they may reflect humiliation, but they may reflect defiance, or simply disappointment. If you breed his ass, however, it doesn’t matter what his eyes say - you made yourself a part of him now, and he can never change that.

[Phallarchist]

20 hours ago, ErosWired said:

On the contrary, whereas a facial may be wiped off as though it had not occurred, a bred load must necessarily be at least minimally absorbed by the body, and thus become a physical part of the fucked man. A fusion occurs; whether by absorption of the Top’s water and semen chemistry by the bowel, or if swallowed, by the digestion and full integration of the Top’s proteins. The Top, by force of his ejaculation, adds himself to the sum of the bottom. The load is never lost.

This process is vitally important, but I submit that the effect is largely in the mind. What bodily integration does occur cannot be detected, and I believe that most seed leaves the colon by the unfortunate mechanisms of that organ. The oral route is actually more effective in the sense that all seed ingested is digested.

21 hours ago, ErosWired said:

Among bottoms, at least, there is a near-universal acknowledgment that semen is a valuable substance.

I don't really interoperate with the terms "top" and "bottom". Even a normalization to the more useful concepts of male and female is somewhat unsatisfactory. There is only a man's desire and its consequences for the cunt he chooses. Semen is valuable because it is the concrete manifestation of his will to breed. The thought process of his volunteer victim is a fly-buzz distraction.

21 hours ago, ErosWired said:

[G]iven the fact that a single orgasm may end a Top’s [sic] potential for that encounter, we necessarily have to have a sense of preference.

This expectation is the crux. Female preference aside, I would agree that deep insemination must be the objective if a man has only one opportunity to breed.

However, I do not assume the promiscuous model. I always have in mind an ownership relation between man and cunt-provider, wherein the man retains nearly unlimited long-term penetrative access and is thus assured of frequent delivery of his reproductive payload to its quasi-natural destination. In this context, any number of violent or degrading practices are available to him for the satisfaction of his phallic sadism and pride. These complementary acts reinforce his power and drive his lust for the subsequent productive copulation that he knows is forthcoming.

[RandyCubby]

On 12/9/2020 at 4:14 PM, Davidc said:

Don’t mind a suck to start with , and love ass 2 mouth but the load is always balls deep , spray on face / ass is just for porn.

i cand believe it’s what my bottoms would want either

prefer it all over my face. always

[bbsam]

Love a hot, sticky load splattered all over my face. Like to scoop some of it into my mouth for a good taste too.

[Warmnsalty]

I love to swallow, love feeling a cock cum in my mouth, savoring the taste and texture of the load.  That being said I let the top decide, if a guy gets off on giving me a facial that's cool, I'm there for his pleasure.  I get off feeling like a slut so it's all about his needs not mine. 

[funpozbottom]

This is a difficult question to answer because I always want it everywhere -- I want it in my mouth, in my ass, and splattered on my chest. sometimes I'll get a load and feel a twinge of disappointment that I can't have it spurting somewhere else on my body as well. I guess for me I really want at least three guys at one time. The first cums on my chest so I'm splattered and smell like cum as the second shoots in my mouth. Then I'll have the taste of cum in my mouth as the third fills my hole. That would get me charged and ready for another round.

[BoyStrangler]

I prefer to pump my load straight down a faggots throat so they don't even get to taste it. I love blocking off that windpipe with my fat hard cock and just pumping cum straight into the sluts throat

[bbpoznow]

hey boy strangler  love to receive  your load that way . you hung .  take your loads deep in any hole

 were  in toronto are you 

[T-Girl-Cumdumpster]

I love both. I used to have guys cum on my face all the time in the porn theatre and just leave the cum there so any guy who came in would know im a cumslut and a bottom. but all the guys I sucked off through glory holes I swallowed. same for jerking off naked in public restroom stalls. anyone I sucked off under the star came in my mouth but guys who stood at my door or came in my stall would usually cum on my face. shooting on my face shows guys think of me as a whore but swallowing guys loads shows them what a cumthirsty cumdump I am. once I became a fuckboy most guys just started blowing their loads in my ass

[badubydo]

While I’ve swallowed a few loads, and having been bred, multiple times,  I much prefer it to goes in my ass, that’s why I fuck raw.

However. I’ll gladly blow and swallow if the guy insists on wearing a condom. I’m going to get that load either way. And if he wants to blast it all over my face, fine! Give me my phone so I can take a picture of his load all over my face before I lick it clean. 

[ErosWired]

On 12/11/2020 at 7:48 AM, FaceLoad said:

I would agree that deep insemination must be the objective if a man has only one opportunity to breed.

However, I do not assume the promiscuous model. I always have in mind an ownership relation between man and cunt-provider, wherein the man retains nearly unlimited long-term penetrative access and is thus assured of frequent delivery of his reproductive payload to its quasi-natural destination. In this context, any number of violent or degrading practices are available to him for the satisfaction of his phallic sadism and pride. These complementary acts reinforce his power and drive his lust for the subsequent productive copulation that he knows is forthcoming.

I understand your point if view given your emphasis on ongoing use situations, but such arrangements only apply to a segment of the ejaculating population. The promiscuous model is inescapable, and for many the preferred vector for contact because serial intercourse with dedicated partners is not available. Or they just get off on anon dudes. Either way, it’s a sex life in which each encounter is enhanced by the intensity of the moment, a moment between two men who may never fuse in this way again, and in that sense, it often feels as though a facial would represent potential forsaken.

You’re quite right, in the kind of serial use situation you describe, and especially an ownership relationship, opportunity exists to take advantages of the vast array of colorings a Dominant may use to create an intricate and nuanced canvas of humiliation and control. Those who relish the chance to serve under such conditions are fortunate to encounter you. The majority, however, I fear would not appreciate the forethought you give to choosing to ejaculate across their nose, and simply wish you had bred them.

As it is said, one must not cast one’s pearls before swine... the pearls go in the swine.

[CumBustion]

I usually like it in my boi-pussy or in my mouth, but there is just something so magical about watching a dude, that can nut HUGE loads, cum externally. I knew this one dude that came so much, he prolly could put out a small fire with his shit.  He was condoms only, but dayum, he could fill it like a water balloon. The first time he came in my mouth, I wasn’t fully prepared for the amount he nutted and I choked and had nut pouring out of my nose as I was gasping for air.
 

[020pa]

It all depends. Sometimes when high on T I can't have enough dick in my mouth and I get a hard on just thinking of the toxic aidscum I will be sucking from his dickhead. I suck, swallow and give some back in a wet kiss also.