Liberation Day

[tallslenderguy]

i find it ironic that, to me, some of the best political commentary today comes from comedians: Steven Colbert, John Oliver, Jon Stewart. 

i loved this discussion between conservative Oren Cass and Jon Stewart on tariffs and the economy.  This, to me, is what has been buried in current polarized discussion in America today, and a place we need to get back to. Middle ground. i think dissent is a good thing for both sides to be able to practice, and honestly, i think it's supposed to be the American way.  Anyway, i appreciated these two sitting down and discussing this topic, thought it appropriate for what's going to transpire at 4 pm EST today. 

 

[hntnhole]

On 4/2/2025 at 12:18 PM, tallslenderguy said:

some of the best political commentary today comes from comedians

Hasn't that always been the case?  Extending back centuries, to the "Court Jesters" with their veiled insults to the Crowned Head of the day?  

[tallslenderguy]

14 hours ago, hntnhole said:

Hasn't that always been the case?  Extending back centuries, to the "Court Jesters" with their veiled insults to the Crowned Head of the day?  

I think You are right. Another more recent would be Mark Twain. 

[NWUSHorny]

Can someone explain the difference between the new right and the old far left? It's not just on economics, it's social/cultural engineering and foreign policy too. The new rights reasoning is different from the old far left, but the methods and policy prescriptions are remarkably similar.

[TT2025]

All of the sudden the tariff thing seems to be one huge market manipulation game. Just wonder how many friends of Mr. president earned hundreds of millions these last few days...

And the justification for the sudden (temporary) turnaround is great fun on its own accord: "Many countries contacted us and wanted to negotiate.." Oh, really. Who would have guessed... 🤣

Edited April 9 by TT2025

[hntnhole]

1 hour ago, NWUSHorny said:

Can someone explain the difference between the new right and the old far left?

I hope so .... I sure can't.  

[TT2025]

2 hours ago, NWUSHorny said:

Can someone explain the difference between the new right and the old far left? It's not just on economics, it's social/cultural engineering and foreign policy too. The new rights reasoning is different from the old far left, but the methods and policy prescriptions are remarkably similar.

You mean in general or in the US?

In general as I see it, the concepts and true goals are completely different.

Far left is really, really dangerous stuff (speaking from the European perspective). I mean red terror, Stalin's purges, gulags etc. The endgame should be some kind of utopia... but expect it to turn into something nasty (always).

For the (centre) right the goal is to moderate the system just so to prevent some kind of popular revolt (worst case scenario), or to prevent lefties get hold of the levers of power. And also do it in a way that it will cost the least amount of money and the impact to their main stakeholders (industry, banking) is minimal.
And there is also Eastern European twist to the "right" politics (a little extra): moderate the system as said above, but in a way that it also creates the wealth transfer to the preferential group (be it politicians, some industries etc.)

I personally have problem with both sides of the spectrum (lucky me).

Edited April 9 by TT2025

[NWUSHorny]

14 minutes ago, TT2025 said:

You mean in general or in the US?

I meant the US, but definitely see similarities in Europe as well. The motives and reasoning differ, but the actual policies, methods and end results are pretty much the same. The MAGA movement is far outside of anything the US has experienced in recent history, where as we have long had a very vocal far left that has held very little power.

[nanana]

NWUSHorny, an interesting point but I’m having a hard time seeing any similarity. MAGA ostensibly wants to shrink government and is firing a lot of bureaucrats, something the far left is much less likely to do. I’d have a hard time seeing leftists deport a bunch of illegal aliens either. Putting “America First” also seems counter to leftist universalist aspirations. I’d love to understand what you’re seeing that makes MAGA seem far left. Maybe Trumps willingness to make relatively radical change? Maybe his chaotic approach to the rule of law? Interested but still unclear about the commonalities you see. 

[NWUSHorny]

Government control of the culture

Government engagement in micro level industrial policy

Better red than dead when dealing with authoritarian nations with a nuclear arsenal i.e. Russia/USSR

Rejection of science

Selective rejection of the rule of law

 

Trump is merely recycling failed policy ideas from the last 200 years, a lot of the more recent failed policies he has resurrected were last championed by factions of the American far left at some point in the last 50 to 75 years. The only reason he is trying to destroy the bureaucracy is that it was built to prevent the mistakes of the past from recurring, once he is finished he will replace it with his own.

Edited April 11 by NWUSHorny

[PhoenixTriad]

On 4/8/2025 at 1:32 PM, hntnhole said:

Hasn't that always been the case?  Extending back centuries, to the "Court Jesters" with their veiled insults to the Crowned Head of the day?  

Speaking of court jesters....

[hntnhole]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ........... I wouldn't put it past T to bend over for "The King" .... notice that scepter with all the points on that shiny thing at the top ..... 

btw - I don't blame the folks who bought Teslas - they were doing the right thing, at the time.

[PozBearWI]

I'm thinking T has enjoyed Putin's cock a time or twenty.

[tallslenderguy]

 

[tallslenderguy]

This guy is a commentator on China, and more particularly, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). He is from the US and with a friend who originally came from S. Africa, does another pod cast called The China Show. They both lived in China for many years and traveled the entire country on motorcycles and did a sort of cultural travelog that i've watched for several years. They were there for many changes, both have Chinese wives. They got kicked out of China a few years ago, but still have friends who send them info from the inside, so they show things that mainstream media does not, but they do have a different perspective knowing the language and having lived there for so long, as well as having family and friends in China still.