Maybe the Democrats Can’t Tell the Difference Between a Demented and an Undemented Leader?

[nanana]

My mom suffered from dementia and died last October. She progressed from forgetting how to make coffee to chasing the little real versions of NaNaNa that were 2 years old. Even though I became the pretend NaNaNa last year, I knew that mom loved me. You can still love someone and not lie about them. Democrats, were you really not able to tell? If you couldn’t, do you really think Jill  Ashley Hunter and Camilla (and of course, closer to home, Kamala) were unable to tell? How do you think your ability to tell or not reflects the trustworthiness of 1) your judgement; 2) the judgement of your preferred media; and 3) the trust anyone would put in your party going forward?

am I just being mean. or does credibility have a value outside of the partisan chorale (yes chorale with falsetto cows mooing in high octaves)?

would you invite Jake Tapper to moo at your funeral?

maybe it’s time for a Whig revival…

[tallslenderguy]

i don't  think you are being mean, but perhaps overly general and simplistic.  i question whether the majority of people in this country would have selected either Biden or Trump as candidates. i feel like both were forced on me as 'choices,' and i wonder how many other people feel the same way?  

There are tests that are done to diagnose dementia, it's not an armchair diagnosis any of us can make.  i have a lot of experience with dementia  in patients as a critical care nurse, and there are lots of cross over symptoms. For instance, many of the same symptoms that present with stress also present with dementia.  my individual opinion is that neither Trump or Biden was fit to run or serve as president of the US.  

That said, i do believe that Biden listened to and followed his advisors more than Trump does.  I.e., with Biden, i felt a wee bit more confident that others of more sound mind were helping make decisions. I don't have that same feel or confidence with Trump. One of the things that bothers me about Trump is how he wants to be in control of everything.  To me, Biden had partners in the governing process where   Trump has minions doing his bidding. 

[SomewhereonNeptune]

On 5/21/2025 at 9:53 PM, nanana said:

Democrats, were you really not able to tell? If you couldn’t, do you really think Jill  Ashley Hunter and Camilla (and of course, closer to home, Kamala) were unable to tell? How do you think your ability to tell or not reflects the trustworthiness of 1) your judgement; 2) the judgement of your preferred media; and 3) the trust anyone would put in your party going forward?

am I just being mean. or does credibility have a value outside of the partisan chorale (yes chorale with falsetto cows mooing in high octaves)?

would you invite Jake Tapper to moo at your funeral?

maybe it’s time for a Whig revival…

Of  course they were able to tell.  And I'm not being a cynic in saying that. There were people interacting with Biden who could see the cognitive decline but for the sake of the party and an election, they were willing to gaslight people on the narrative until they could see that "Emperor has no clothes" moment in the 2024 debate. Peter Doocy came out with a post series on X yesterday that cited his knowledge from being in the White House Press Pool and his conclusion was that people chose not to pay attention. It's called a complicit media. As Americans, we have a right to know who knew what and when, as well as who was actually guiding the country. That isn't being disrespectful, but questioning if he could even make decisions, or who was running the auto-pen.

The press has and continues to lose credibility with me and most of the public. The figure I've seen is 86% of the public holds a distrust of the media. And Jake Tapper is a total cunt in my view. Among others, he lied to us (commission or omission) and later penned it into a book.

8 hours ago, tallslenderguy said:

i don't  think you are being mean, but perhaps overly general and simplistic.  i question whether the majority of people in this country would have selected either Biden or Trump as candidates. i feel like both were forced on me as 'choices,' and i wonder how many other people feel the same way?  

There are tests that are done to diagnose dementia, it's not an armchair diagnosis any of us can make.  i have a lot of experience with dementia  in patients as a critical care nurse, and there are lots of cross over symptoms. For instance, many of the same symptoms that present with stress also present with dementia.  my individual opinion is that neither Trump or Biden was fit to run or serve as president of the US.  

That said, i do believe that Biden listened to and followed his advisors more than Trump does.  I.e., with Biden, i felt a wee bit more confident that others of more sound mind were helping make decisions. I don't have that same feel or confidence with Trump. One of the things that bothers me about Trump is how he wants to be in control of everything.  To me, Biden had partners in the governing process where   Trump has minions doing his bidding. 

If you felt like Biden was forced on you, how did you feel about being denied a primary and having Harris shoved down your throat? Much the same as Sanders being cast aside in favor of both Clinton and Biden. 

As for dementia, my Nan had it and I could tell when she was in her late 60's based on the behaviors and loss of memory. Over time, it was just amplified degrees of being mean, since she always had been but when the dementia took hold, it got ramped up to 11. 

Now that things are emerging about Biden, people are starting to relate that they felt that he wasn't engaged or understood much of what he was being told. I wouldn't quite say that he "had partners in the governing process" but that people behind the scenes were actually running things, potentially without his knowledge or understanding. That makes one entire branch of government pretty dysfunctional if the single leader of that -- the person people thought they voted for -- was not cognitively at the helm. Even during the debate prep, the details have come out that he lost energy and interest and often went away to take a nap. Pretty certain that detail was from another tell-all.

You might not like Trump, and he leaves some things to be desired, but we've seen more interaction with him and the press even in the first 100 days having extemporaneous conversations than we saw in 4 years of Biden. And the interaction from Biden even then was very tightly scripted ("they told me I need to call on..."). 

I want to call on the prostate cancer issue. Scott Adams of Dilbert fame also came out with his late stage prostate cancer and he's said he likely has just weeks to live. That's not a sudden thing, especially someone who should be receiving the top-tier care of a President. Does anyone really feel that it had been missed, it was very sudden, or that the timing might be a method of deflection when the questions are hitting too close to home?

[tallslenderguy]

10 hours ago, SomewhereonNeptune said:

Of  course they were able to tell.  And I'm not being a cynic in saying that. There were people interacting with Biden who could see the cognitive decline but for the sake of the party and an election, they were willing to gaslight people on the narrative until they could see that "Emperor has no clothes" moment in the 2024 debate. Peter Doocy came out with a post series on X yesterday that cited his knowledge from being in the White House Press Pool and his conclusion was that people chose not to pay attention. It's called a complicit media. As Americans, we have a right to know who knew what and when, as well as who was actually guiding the country. That isn't being disrespectful, but questioning if he could even make decisions, or who was running the auto-pen.

The press has and continues to lose credibility with me and most of the public. The figure I've seen is 86% of the public holds a distrust of the media. And Jake Tapper is a total cunt in my view. Among others, he lied to us (commission or omission) and later penned it into a book.

If you felt like Biden was forced on you, how did you feel about being denied a primary and having Harris shoved down your throat? Much the same as Sanders being cast aside in favor of both Clinton and Biden. 

As for dementia, my Nan had it and I could tell when she was in her late 60's based on the behaviors and loss of memory. Over time, it was just amplified degrees of being mean, since she always had been but when the dementia took hold, it got ramped up to 11. 

Now that things are emerging about Biden, people are starting to relate that they felt that he wasn't engaged or understood much of what he was being told. I wouldn't quite say that he "had partners in the governing process" but that people behind the scenes were actually running things, potentially without his knowledge or understanding. That makes one entire branch of government pretty dysfunctional if the single leader of that -- the person people thought they voted for -- was not cognitively at the helm. Even during the debate prep, the details have come out that he lost energy and interest and often went away to take a nap. Pretty certain that detail was from another tell-all.

You might not like Trump, and he leaves some things to be desired, but we've seen more interaction with him and the press even in the first 100 days having extemporaneous conversations than we saw in 4 years of Biden. And the interaction from Biden even then was very tightly scripted ("they told me I need to call on..."). 

I want to call on the prostate cancer issue. Scott Adams of Dilbert fame also came out with his late stage prostate cancer and he's said he likely has just weeks to live. That's not a sudden thing, especially someone who should be receiving the top-tier care of a President. Does anyone really feel that it had been missed, it was very sudden, or that the timing might be a method of deflection when the questions are hitting too close to home?

my point is, i think it's too general to posit: "democrats can't tell the difference between a demented and undemented leader," even speaking tongue in cheek.  That there are many who voted either democrat or republican who did not want either Biden or Trump (or Harris).  i watched the Democratic primary debates and none of those in the debates came close to having a chance to actually be chosen by the American people.  The republican, democrat parties, and wealthy supporters choose candidates, a comparatively small group of people. Joe public then gets a token choice between who the parties and wealthy contributors select. i wonder how many of us on either side of these debates have reasonable  trust in our government.  

This is an interesting overview of countries around the world and how much trust their citizens have in their various governments. Not putting this out there as necessarily accurate, just interesting to ponder. 

[think before following links] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/trust-in-government-by-country